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pgull3
10-20-2005, 06:17 PM
Does anyone really use star shells and if so what do you use them for?

pgull3
10-20-2005, 06:17 PM
Does anyone really use star shells and if so what do you use them for?

AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-20-2005, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pgull3:
Does anyone really use star shells and if so what do you use them for? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use the star shells to instantly cook those seagulls when the crew is tired of ham, sausage and bananas... tastes just like chicken!

That was an old joke in the U.S. Navy. When we ran out of chicken in the cargo holds the crew complained a lot. Then shortly afterwards Combat Systems Department would want to test their CIWS System (20mm Phalanx Anti-Missile guns) then voila... we had chicken the next day! So when we heard a €œTitanic fart-like€ sound from the CIWS Systems, we knew dinner was on!

Of course the "Scuttlebutt€ (Naval rumors) was that Supply Department held off on chicken until the next Underway Replenishment.

Kaleun1961
10-20-2005, 07:35 PM
That's one funny story! Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry to read in your banner line about disablement. Welcome to the forum.

Serioulsy, I use them at night when I am having difficulty seeing a target for surface gunnery action. They are often the last shells available and the odd time you can inflict enough damage with them to sink a target after you've already mauled your target with torpedoes and\or AP and HE rounds.

HokumJeebs
10-20-2005, 07:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AO1_AW_SW_USN:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pgull3:
Does anyone really use star shells and if so what do you use them for? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use the star shells to instantly cook those seagulls when the crew is tired of ham, sausage and bananas... tastes just like chicken!

That was an old joke in the U.S. Navy. When we ran out of chicken in the cargo holds the crew complained a lot. Then shortly afterwards Combat Systems Department would want to test their CIWS System (20mm Phalanx Anti-Missile guns) then voila... we had chicken the next day! So when we heard a €œTitanic fart-like€ sound from the CIWS Systems, we knew dinner was on!

Of course the "Scuttlebutt€ (Naval rumors) was that Supply Department held off on chicken until the next Underway Replenishment. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://interactive.usc.edu/classes/ctin542-designprod/archives/r2d2-01.jpg


PS: The star shells are used to light up the sky at night. Or to let enemy ships know where you are so they can come give you a fat kiss.

AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-20-2005, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
That's one funny story! Thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sorry to read in your banner line about disablement. Welcome to the forum.

Serioulsy, I use them at night when I am having difficulty seeing a target for surface gunnery action. They are often the last shells available and the odd time you can inflict enough damage with them to sink a target after you've already mauled your target with torpedoes and\or AP and HE rounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same here. I wanted to see how real this game was by plugging a SS shell into a targets bridge... blind them. Didn't work (lol).

Needless to say they are practically useless. Is stick to lining up on there stern and blast them with HE from behind at about 1500m away.

About disabled, I€m not in a wheel chair (yet), but I hurt my back really bad while pushing a 2000lb JDAM bomb while we were pot-holing Afghanistan in 2001€¦ after 9/11. Ruined my U.S. Naval career, but it was worth it to get payback on those guys!

Kaleun1961
10-20-2005, 07:48 PM
Ouch! I'm dealing with a similar situation myself, but not from combat. After twenty years of driving 18-wheelers I developed a herniated disc in my back and very painful sciatica. Did the full gamut of tests, physio, medication, etc. I know exactly how you feel. I guess it is of some consolation to know you gave your health for a cause in which you believe.

AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-20-2005, 07:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Ouch! I'm dealing with a similar situation myself, but not from combat. After twenty years of driving 18-wheelers I developed a herniated disc in my back and very painful sciatica. Did the full gamut of tests, physio, medication, etc. I know exactly how you feel. I guess it is of some consolation to know you gave your health for a cause in which you believe. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I have four herniated disks from T-3 to T-6, with three inward buldges that are pressing on my spinal cord. Lifting 15 lbs runs me at about a 95% chance of paralyzation... FUN, FUN, FUN !!!

Now I work a desk job in Dallas, TX for Union Pacific Railroad... planning the loading of railcars for Intermodal traffic, so I work with truckers everyday. My Uncle ran the long-hauls for 25 years for Stevens, so I know your pain too! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

jooo9
10-20-2005, 07:56 PM
I use starshells and AA guns- both are near useless- to make cargo on ships set fire. If you're going to use starshells, it would be better to use AA ammo, it probably would do more ammo.

Chrystine
10-20-2005, 07:58 PM
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Same-same €¦ More or less.

Good for target illumination at medium gun range on those cloudy, overcast nights and they can add a little damage to a vessel that€s already taken a pounding from other, previous ordnance.

Yet another use I€ve only recently discovered is €" apparently they can be used to blind an enemy target vessel, useful for those armed merchant and cargo ships.

The range of Star shell fire is pretty short, but if you mass a cluster of them at long / medium range €" it does seem to blind enemy gunners.

http://idealhorizons.intuity.net/StarShell_Bombardment_No-Range.jpg

I€ll give this another test next opportunity that presents, and see how effectively they are really blinded €" and hopefully, get some sense of for how long.

Best,
~ C.

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Kaleun1961
10-20-2005, 07:59 PM
I bet I've handled some of those intermodals. I took a break from the highway for two years to work in my company's yard, shunting trailers. I've handled my fair share of rail containers. My company used mainly CP and CN containers, as I'm here in Ontario, Canada.

My back problem afflicted me in my ability, or should I say inability to sit. I've been off work for two years, but am making an effort to return to work in the yard again. The problem is the worker's comp board doesn't want to let me. They want me to retrain for a new career, but I want to stay with my current company. I've got over twenty years in and would rather stay put.

Are you on any long term pain medication. I've been on a fentanyl patch for a year. It really helps with the pain, but it's getting time where I want to get off of the drugs.

AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-20-2005, 08:17 PM
Before I left the service they put me on a very powerful (an very addicitve) pain medication. I never take it because it's the same stuff they give recovering herion addics... methadone.

I live with the pain every single day, the leftovers from Al Queda and the Taliban bull****.

blastomatic1759
10-21-2005, 04:47 AM
Ill use the star shells only if im out of ammo completely. they actually work well against small merchants and coastal merchants, i like to pull up next to them and fire for effect at point blank, but if i encounter a larger ship i like to destroy whatever he is carrying topside, plus i like seeing stuff on fire , so more the reason to shoot at cargo with the starshells.

W.Irving
10-21-2005, 06:57 AM
1. Ever tried acupunture, anyone? It does work.. but expensive (I gather).

2. Chrystine - are you sure they blind the crews? If so, sounds like a surprisingly well thought feature!

Dominicrigg
10-21-2005, 09:00 AM
I use starshells to alleviate boredom on long voyages and also to give myself a welcome home firework show when i return to port. The crowd love it when they see me nearby, till i load the wrong ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

"I said starshells not HE!! Ohhh there go the nurses..."

Welcome aboard AO1_AW_SW_USN!

Kaleun1961
10-21-2005, 09:32 AM
Irving, I've used acupuncture for my shoulder ailment, and seemed to do a good job. My friend has also suggested acupuncture as well, so I think I must consider it. On my last visit to the pain specialist the doctor suggested it is time for me to start coming off the pain meds. I will be happy to comply; opiates are hard on the system, inducing constipation, which is a torture in itself.

My family doctor is Chinese and has gone to Shanghai to train in acupuncture. Funnily enough he has not suggested it; may have something to do with my case is covered by workers comp and he doesn't want to mix the treatment modalities.

Pirschjaeger
10-21-2005, 11:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
I bet I've handled some of those intermodals. I took a break from the highway for two years to work in my company's yard, shunting trailers. I've handled my fair share of rail containers. My company used mainly CP and CN containers, as I'm here in Ontario, Canada.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

When I lived in T.O. I worked for Attersley Tire, J&M Tire, and Don Mills Tire(my uncle owns it). When I wasn't working on the heavy offroad stuff I'd handle road or yard service. Never know, it's possible we ran across each other at some time or other. I also did a lot of work on the intermodal equipment.

Fritz

Chrystine
10-21-2005, 04:24 PM
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Hi W Irving,

€œChrystine - are you sure they blind the crews? If so, sounds like a surprisingly well thought feature!€

Honestly no €" not €˜sure€ to a point of Cartesian certainty. However I€ve now twice done so (one instance documented partially in the image shown above), and the effect has certainly led me to a very strong suspicion it is true.
Once the €˜cluster€ of SS€s have been placed out there between yourself and the target vessel €" they either cease firing altogether or their fire becomes widely erratic and utterly inaccurate (precisely as if firing blindly into darkness, as well as if having no real idea where our fire is actually coming from).
Additionally, they seem far more pre-occupied trying to maneuver their ship into a position which would €˜flank€ the SS-cluster.
In the latter instance I€ve tried this approach (shown above), I even used reverse slow to keep the SS€ cluster between us as the target attempted to maneuver, all the while keeping up a relentless barrage until I simply depleted the remaining AP rounds for the .88
Range was too great to continue the attack with the SS€s, and as she was armed and more than willing to use her gun, I let her go.
We slipped under to 25 meters as the last glow of the cluster winged into darkness, and she slipped ahead on course with zigs and zags decks aflame €¦

€˜Sure?€ No. Really, I€m not.
Fairly well persuaded short of certainty €" yes€¦

Best, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
~ C.

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AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-21-2005, 08:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dominicrigg:
I use starshells to alleviate boredom on long voyages and also to give myself a welcome home firework show when i return to port. The crowd love it when they see me nearby, till i load the wrong ammo http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

"I said starshells not HE!! Ohhh there go the nurses..."

Welcome aboard AO1_AW_SW_USN! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of, this is http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Thanks for the welcome. I have some U.S. Naval experience and I'm looking forward to sharaing it with those who wish to hear it, along with some rather amusing sea stories, lore of the sea and other misc. tidbits of (sometimes useless) information!

jooo9
10-21-2005, 08:44 PM
They BLIND the enemy crews? The devs should have gotten their priorities straight. They were busy makiing sure starshells blind enemy crews while the forget to give torpedo boats the ability to fire torpedoes.

Chrystine
10-21-2005, 09:36 PM
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Salute, AO1_AW_SW_USN €"

Great to have another USN man €˜aboard.€
I didn€t want to intrude into your dialogue with Kaleun, but now I can take the opportunity to say welcome, also€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

€œI have some U.S. Naval experience and I'm looking forward to sharaing it with those who wish to hear it€¦€

Number me in the first ranks of those.
Always ready & eager to learn more.
I€ll enjoy any anecdotes, €œamusing sea stories, lore of the sea and other misc. tidbits of (sometimes useless) information!€ as well.
Quite look forward to it.

To say it also, I€m likewise sorry to learn & know of your injury sustained while in service.
May Kronos heal what Asklepeios cannot€¦

Best regards,
~ C.

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AO1_AW_SW_USN
10-21-2005, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Chrystine:
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Salute, AO1_AW_SW_USN €"

Great to have another USN man €˜aboard.€
I didn€t want to intrude into your dialogue with Kaleun, but now I can take the opportunity to say welcome, also€¦ http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

€œI have some U.S. Naval experience and I'm looking forward to sharaing it with those who wish to hear it€¦€



Number me in the first ranks of those.
Always ready & eager to learn more.
I€ll enjoy any anecdotes, €œamusing sea stories, lore of the sea and other misc. tidbits of (sometimes useless) information!€ as well.
Quite look forward to it.

To say it also, I€m likewise sorry to learn & know of your injury sustained while in service.
May Kronos heal what Asklepeios cannot€¦

Best regards,
~ C.

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I was an Aviation Ordnanceman, First Class Petty Officer (E-6) in the United States Navy. My primary duties were to load, download, assemble/disassemble, install/remove components, maintain, inspect, inventory, survey and store all air-launched munitions and components both bomb-type and air-launched missiles onboard Aircraft Carriers.

I was stationed onboard the U.S.S. Carl Vinson (CVN-70), on a six month standard deployment to the Persian Gulf in 2001. We were 72 hours out of Singapore from a 5 day liberty call when the terrorist attacks on New York, Washington D.C. and Pennsylvania happened. So we held station in the Arabian Sea until we received word on who was responsible.

On October 7th, 2001, we launched one of the greatest aerial strikes in history. During that time from October 2001 until December, my ship dropped over 2,000,000lbs of explosives over Afghanistan. Considering the weight of a bomb, 45% of its weight is explosive filler. So do the math on that one!

In November 2001 my crew and I were working 20+ hour days, and fatigue and morale was taking its toll. Being a person in a leadership position, I tried to take care of my shipmates the best I could and did some of their work for them so they can rest. When moving ordnance, there€s a rule that two personnel must handle ordnance at all times. I did not obey this rule and I was transporting a 2000lb bomb in the hangar bay when the ship took a hard roll starboard and the bomb went with it. I sustained four herniated disks in my thoracic region of my back, with three protruding bulges that are currently pressing on my spinal cord. The injury was career ending.

At first I was hell bent on revenge for 9/11, but after I watched a CNN report on a bomb (which my crew and I assembled) hit a school in Afghanistan€¦ it made me want to walk away from the service anyway, despite the injury I have.

I wish that in this day and age of global unrest we can finally put aside our differences and have the United States of America back to it€s glory of a being shining light for those who want to live the dream of freedom, and self expression. We do not want to be known as a nation who seeks to control the destinies of other people. So I hope that the individuals who read this post, and who are from another country, does not view all Americans as a self-loathing, egotistical race of people who dreams of world conquest.

I€ve said my peace, and now I feel relieved. Thank you.

W.Irving
10-22-2005, 03:40 AM
I'm fairly sure to become a licensed acupuncturist (?) you have to study several years. At least, I believe such is the case over here.
So your family doctor might not be ready yet.

Gave blood yesterday, so no problem having a &gt;1 mm needled shoved into my arm, but the idea of thirty small ones into my back, neck, arms and legs doesn't appeal to me. But then, I'm as (physically) fit as a... um, very physically fit person. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Living in agony can be demanding.


Chrystine, I shall have to try your hypothesis once the merchant navies have armed themselves. It's only 1940 and the British merchants run for their lives when they see my ickle boat.

Kaleun1961
10-22-2005, 06:21 AM
Acupuncture is painless. The needles are so fine you don't notice them going in. When I had my shoulder done, I asked the doctor to tell me when he was about to put the first needle in. He already had one in and was putting in the second one; they are that harmless.

Paul_K
10-22-2005, 05:49 PM
Having sunk a neutral in my http://www.wolvesatwar.com career, I used starshell on my next patrol to illuminate the target ( particularly it's national flag ) before engaging it with my deck gun. It was genuinely useful, but since then I've had no reason to use it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif