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F19_Ob
07-16-2005, 07:31 AM

HotelBushranger
07-16-2005, 07:56 AM
Yes, that'd be awesome. I love the Bf 110, and any additions are welcomed!

VW-IceFire
07-16-2005, 09:08 AM
That would be absolutely useful! YES!

We were using the Bf110 on a number of UK-D maps but in 1942 its just too overpowering with the MK108s.

Siwarrior
07-16-2005, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by HotelBushranger:
Yes, that'd be awesome. I love the Bf 110, and any additions are welcomed!

Hotel you love anything with an engine http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

p1ngu666
07-16-2005, 12:00 PM
110 early
mk108 is late 43 to 44?
frankyboy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

KG26_Oranje
07-16-2005, 12:16 PM
its not just , remove the 30mm.
For exemple u need to chance the rear machine guns and gunner position to and cockpit windows.
Early war 110 is the BF110-C4 and C4b.
And i cane make it a very long list on how to chance the BF110-G to a early war one.
Buht i dont do it.
Just find some one to make a cockpit + gunner pos for the BF110-C4/C4b A.I. , than u have the historical correct early war 110.

I/KG26_Oranje

Foo.bar
07-16-2005, 12:19 PM
Just add the same bf110 we have now but remove the 30mm cannon options.

what we have is a G type. look at the engines. by removing the 30s we wont get a F or E. rather take the C type and get him the cockpit.

F19_Ob
07-16-2005, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by Foo.bar:
what we have is a G type. look at the engines. by removing the 30s we wont get a F or E. rather take the C type and get him the cockpit.

I see that u have ideas of excellence aswell m8, and it would be preferable, but your idea also involves some work for the dev. team.
My idea need no work at all and that is why I felt it was an idea posting it.
Just removing the guns ofcourse doesn't make it an 'exactly' correct bf110 for 1940-41 but this is the only reasonable way of getting a flyable 110 for early maps, and I atleast prefer this instead of no early flyable at all, like we have now.

As I understand it the dev-team hardly have time to fix the bugs so therefore it seems highly unlikely getting anything else that involves work.

So lets see if a work-free idea makes it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-16-2005, 02:52 PM
the Bf110G2 at all is a 1943 plane - if you look that the first examples were delivered to combat units in january 1943.

and armed with MK108 it flew very alte 1943 . but wuth all the production proplems of the MK!08 in 1943 it should be a 1944 plane.

its one of the drawbacks of dogfight maps that you cant use the weaponrestricion of the coop missions there.
but i heard a tool (3.party) is on work to make this possible - but dont count on it.
if realy , it will be sure very fast announced.

and why not fake a Bf110F of 1942 with a Bf110G2 , so differences are not so great.
to think to get a Bf110C is way of - till BoB http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BBB_Hyperion
07-16-2005, 07:57 PM
Well idea is ineffective sry. Better idea is to allow loadout restrictions for missions which would deal with a lot more problems.And of course this is possible right now but the only options to deal with it is to kick the player maybe after some warnings. That is one of the shortcommings you cant force em to use a loadout but you need to kick em.

alert_1
07-17-2005, 06:11 AM
Me110G even without Mk108 wold be killer on early scenario servers. Me110g has DB605 engines and is capable of 600 km/h at altitude, no one 40-41 plane would be able to catch it.Uber fighter-bomber in 40-41 planeset...

F19_Ob
07-17-2005, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
Me110G even without Mk108 wold be killer on early scenario servers. Me110g has DB605 engines and is capable of 600 km/h at altitude, no one 40-41 plane would be able to catch it.Uber fighter-bomber in 40-41 planeset...

Sorry m8 but I think U exaggerate a bit and make it sound better than it infact is.

The 110 G2 we have in game is only capable of 595 km/h, and only at the great height of 7300m (where no one flies online) and 570 km/h at 5000m ,and only 510 km/h at sea level.

The Bf 110F-2 had 567 km/h as top speed so the G2 would well correcpond to an F variant.

I've flown the 110 a lot online so I know it's absolutely not a killer on early maps without the 30mm cannon, but it has an ok chance to nail a fighter or flee wich is unlikely on a late map.
Although hurricane 2c is slower I usually Have a good chance to down 110's with the 20mm cannons and if I want I can easily evade a 110 even if I cant outrun it in level flight.
I have many times downed them with hurricane 2b's aswell as with ratas and chaikas. The p40 E from 1941 (and earlier tomahawks ) aswell as the early spit also give the 110 a hard time.
So absolutely not a killer.
Early LaGG3, mig3 and Yaks also have few problems with bf110's
On later maps not even the better pilots in a 110 can manage against an average fighter even with 30mm pods unless it succeeds in a bounce, wich ofcourse any plane can do.

So with that experience I find it hard to see a clean 110 G2 as a killer when it's hardly a killer with gunpods.

well my opinion. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

p1ngu666
07-17-2005, 08:40 AM
they could also change the bk3.7 gunpod on the other 110, so it points down and or change the ammo mix http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

WWSensei
07-17-2005, 11:07 AM
So with that experience I find it hard to see a clean 110 G2 as a killer when it's hardly a killer with gunpods.

It's not impossible. On War Clouds I fly the 110 exclusively. The last 5 aircraft I shot down were an A-20 (clean jump, he never had a chance), a Mustang III who underestimated the scissor capability of the 110, a P-40m who got the jump on me but also underestimated how quickly a 110 can turn (granted only through about 270 degrees and then she's bled E like a stuck pig), but a quick shot is all I need, and 2 Spit Mark IX's. One of the Spits forgot a I had a tail gunner and the other was shocked to see me out turn him for 1/2 a turn.

The smart jocks can kill me by using good tactics regardless of the aircraft they use. The average or bad pilots will die regardless of which aircraft they use.

F19_Ob
07-17-2005, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:

It's not impossible.

Fully agree m8.
I seemingly do it all the time and some of my mates mean I'm very lucky.
When I take out a fighter I usually do it in a bomber, and the more I practise the luckier I seem to get. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

While I don't think the 110 is an "Uber fighter-bomber", I also don't wan't to dismiss it just as a target.
Target is still the fate of most of it's pilots on late war maps though, and those pilots who "frequently" score multiple fighterkills or even single fighterkills and survive the sortie are rare indeed , and well wort mentioning in the community.
This is ofcourse the reason why it's so seldom flown online. People usually want to win fights and reluctantly would choose a plane that likely gets them killed without scoring. If it was anything close to 'good' people in general would be crasy about it and atleast choose it now and then, don't U think?

Although I often, in depest modesty ofcourse, give myself credit for being a decent shooter and tactician I still belive That if I turn inside a Hurricane, LaGG3, spit or p51 in my Bf110, it's not because of the maneuvering capabilities of my plane, but more the faults of the enemy pilot, as I see it.


So adding the same bf110 without the 30mm option allows this plane to be used on early maps online. With the 30mm it ofcourse cant be used.

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I sense that some of u may miss the fantastic thing in my idea.
No one would suffer from this in any way, and it also wouldn't require any work for the
dev.team to do this.
The online mapmaker can choose to implement the clean 110, or not.
An offline player won't suffer either.
So no one loses and the online community wins, and with no work. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
It's not every day things get handed so easily and for free. Thats why I posted in the first place. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif