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WilhelmSchulz.
05-28-2006, 10:40 PM
I have 3 words for Celeon(sorry in advanse for spelling)
Panzer Howister 2000

WilhelmSchulz.
05-28-2006, 10:40 PM
I have 3 words for Celeon(sorry in advanse for spelling)
Panzer Howister 2000

blue_76
05-28-2006, 10:44 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
PZH 2000

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/pzh2000/images/pzh1.jpg

Celeon999
05-29-2006, 03:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

- 20 rounds in 1/2 minutes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- fully automatic robot ammo store and reloading system http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- 40 kilometers range http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- 155mm rocket propelled unguided or guided sMART TM ammunition http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- GPS and Galileo (as soon as avaible) satellite link http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- artillery strike ready in only 30 seconds after reaching position http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- storage space for 60 rounds http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- usable as tank hunter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

- extra thick hollow-charge reactive armor and still makes 40 km/h in rough terrain with 1000 horsepower motor which is really fast for an tank of this weight. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



In short words : 56 tons of pure high-tec http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif


Celeon has a nice vid that shows the PZH firing and some interior footage of the loader robot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Its in german but they just come up with the info ive already posted above. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


PZH 2000 Video 22 MB (http://s17.quicksharing.com/v/9199645/_Doku_Bundeswehr_PzH_2000.mpeg.html)



And look what the crazy engineers did now !

They mounted the PZH 2000 Turret on an ship and call it Monarc ... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif


Monarc Video (http://s17.quicksharing.com/v/2906223/monarch.wmv.html)

doug.d
05-29-2006, 04:50 AM
Some much lower-tech, much bigger gun, serious whipass!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/NewJersey.jpg

Celeon999
05-29-2006, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by doug.d:
Some much lower-tech, much bigger gun, serious whipass!
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/NewJersey.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


And i tell ya we planned to attach such things to an tank http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


The big bad Ratte (http://members.tripod.com/George_Parada/p1000.htm#1000) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

janek73
05-29-2006, 10:06 PM
That's why there is no way to conquer Russia!!!http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/Janek73/z3329616G.jpg

Acunnon
05-29-2006, 10:40 PM
It is a nice looking bit of hardware, though the video did show a German vehicle firing it main gun (do not see that much http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif) it did not have a singel segment of the gun fireing multiple rounds. gun fires camera changes gun fires.


so does this mean Germany is prepairing to invade France again? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

doug.d
05-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Uss Iowa generates a sunami. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/Iowa.jpg

Celeon999
05-30-2006, 02:14 AM
@ Janek73

Hach yes, those times were guns were also a piece of art. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I bet Napoleon looked into this one at some point in history.

Whats up with Vladimir ? He looks pissed .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif Ok he looks most of the time pissed but on that one he is in a real bad mood. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


@Acunnon


I have another one were you can see it fire 10 or 15 rounds but the quality is ehmmmmm.... dangerous for the eyes and the horrible "army presentation 80´s style synthesizer music" is pure torment for the ears http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


@ Doug


NOW WE KNOW WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THE ASIAN TSUNAMI !

Those americans again ! I knew it ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kaleun1961
05-31-2006, 09:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by janek73:
That's why there is no way to conquer Russia!!!http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f364/Janek73/z3329616G.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I could just imagine a harried battlefield commander, calling for artillery reinforcements:

"Bring up more guns!"

"We can't."

"Why not?!?!"

"The artisans haven't finished carving the filigree into the cannons."

Kaleun1961
05-31-2006, 09:53 AM
Anybody here still playing Steel Panthers? I like to incorporate a few of the German self-propelled pieces into my core group; Hummels and Wespes. They can lay down heavy rounds with a minimized delay and can scoot if the other side starts doing counter-battery fire. I like to have an ammo truck alongside them so they don't run out of rounds.

WilhelmSchulz.
05-31-2006, 06:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Whats up with Vladimir ? He looks pissed .. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
He was the Chife of the KGB how can he not looked pissed? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kaleun1961
05-31-2006, 07:27 PM
Good point, Wilhelm. He has many things to deal with that would make any Russian leader look so dour: wobbly economy, corruption and organized crime, one billion and more hungry Chinese on his border, restless Islamic fundamentalists inside his borders, disgruntled Chechens, uppity Ukrainians, and on and on and on...

Acunnon
06-01-2006, 01:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
@Acunnon


I have another one were you can see it fire 10 or 15 rounds but the quality is ehmmmmm.... dangerous for the eyes and the horrible "army presentation 80´s style synthesizer music" is pure torment for the ears http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well lets see it then. I like my guns big loud and sporting big mags http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Baldricks_Mate
06-01-2006, 01:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Good point, Wilhelm. He has many things to deal with that would make any Russian leader look so dour: wobbly economy, corruption and organized crime, one billion and more hungry Chinese on his border, restless Islamic fundamentalists inside his borders, disgruntled Chechens, uppity Ukrainians, and on and on and on... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
------------------------------------------------

Ah, I reckon he longs for the good 'ole days when east was east and west was west. At least you knew who be pissed at back then!

Celeon999
06-01-2006, 02:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">well lets see it then. I like my guns big loud and sporting big mags
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It looks like ive erased it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

But i already have put it in my emule queue. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


I hope for some better vidz released by its manufacturer Rheinmetall "They also constructed weapons and tanks in ww-2 (Remember the Tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) and the main gun for the M1A1 and M1A2"

I hope for some great vids coming, there was some big test firing exercise in South Africa lately http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2171/testschiessenrh409jm.jpg


Now that the american XM 2001 Crusader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2001_Crusader) project has been cancelled, Rheinmetall proposed to upgrade the M-109 Paladin with the L-52 Gun of the Pzh 2000 but its not clear yet if the u.s army will make this deal.

The british army already has adopted the gun to upgrade their AS90 Braveheart´s in the manual version. The automatic reloading system is not adoptable.


There is also an article on wikipedia about the MONARC system now.

Monarc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONARC)

Pzh 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PzH_2000)

The_Silent_O
06-01-2006, 05:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">well lets see it then. I like my guns big loud and sporting big mags
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


It looks like ive erased it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

But i already have put it in my emule queue. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


I hope for some better vidz released by its manufacturer Rheinmetall "They also constructed weapons and tanks in ww-2 (Remember the Tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) and the main gun for the M1A1 and M1A2"

I hope for some great vids coming, there was some big test firing exercise in South Africa lately http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2171/testschiessenrh409jm.jpg


Now that the american XM 2001 Crusader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM2001_Crusader) project has been cancelled, Rheinmetall proposed to upgrade the M-109 Paladin with the L-52 Gun of the Pzh 2000 but its not clear yet if the u.s army will make this deal.

The british army already has adopted the gun to upgrade their AS90 Braveheart´s in the manual version. The automatic reloading system is not adoptable.


There is also an article on wikipedia about the MONARC system now.

Monarc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONARC)

Pzh 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PzH_2000) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, yes, the Crusader ... I hear you can still get T-shirts, Polo Shirt and coffee cups with the logo emblazened on them at E-Bay http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

*** The Silent_O Silently wonders where any force will ever use big Armor again in the attack http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif ***

- Remember air to air combat? it doesn't happen anymore.

- Remember battleship engagements, they don't happen anymore.

- Remember infantry attacks against prepared defenses...they don't happen anymore.

The US is moving slowly away from big armor to light armored quickly moving wheeled vehicles.

The Crusader had some cool features through. One gun system could put down a barrage by quickly adjusting the trajectory of each successive round and the amount of the liquid propellant. Just too big and Not really that accurate.

The_Silent_O
06-01-2006, 05:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Anybody here still playing Steel Panthers? I like to incorporate a few of the German self-propelled pieces into my core group; Hummels and Wespes. They can lay down heavy rounds with a minimized delay and can scoot if the other side starts doing counter-battery fire. I like to have an ammo truck alongside them so they don't run out of rounds. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yes...must have hummels and Wespes (and I forgot the earlier vehicle used in 39 - 40; had the 150mm mounted) to take out the Infantry that was dug in.

My tactic was to put the infantry out front as scouts to bump into the hidden infantry (cause you don't want that infantry AT weapon taking out your surprised 'Panther'). Once the enemy Infantry unit showed themselves, I would wail on them with the accompanying SP Howitzers...

...I need to load it up again this weekend and play a few scenarios.

Celeon999
06-01-2006, 06:10 AM
Celeon has some more pics from the inside http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/7816/pzh59qi.jpg http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/742/pzh69ip.jpg


Comfortable seat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif I bet they secretly play SH-III there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Celeons fellow Panzergrenadiers get also a new toy

The Puma

Hach, now that Celeon is gone they come up with the shiny new stuff and comfortable seats http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

It is designed for easy air transportation and has a modular armour and weapon system.


http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3207/pressephotopuma4xs.jpg

doug.d
06-01-2006, 06:30 AM
South Africa's G5 (towed) and G6 self propelled 155mm gun howitzers (SA Military Museum).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/G5_1_Med.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v169/Doug_Dread/G6_Med.jpg

The_Silent_O
06-01-2006, 07:14 AM
*** The Silent O responds Celeon's bunker attack with nuclear artillery ***

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/7347/animatedannie1gk.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Atomic Annie -- 280mm of microwave heat!

more here...
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=213

Celeon999
06-01-2006, 07:17 AM
Nice gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Here is the vid i was talking about.

But dont say that i didnt warn you !
Protect your eyes and ears but it has great footage of the automatic reloading system in full speed action (Near the end of the vid) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

The music is not exactly ........ http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/4081/37ai.gif like if you know what im saying.

The speaker is also great ! He sounds like he is falling asleep any second and has a Hessian accent. He tries to speak without it but it doesnt work somehow http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Somehow this vid seems like an old porn movie from 70ths to me..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif..i mean i believe they could look like that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blush.gif

I wonder what old army 70 ´style video equipment they used for creating it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

"WHAT ? VIDEOCUT EQUIPMENT ??? DO YOU HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA WHAT THIS COSTS ??? HERE TAKE THIS VIDEOSCHNITT MEISTER-1969-TM ITS STILL GOOD ENOUGH FOR CUTTING BUNDESWEHR-INTERNAL INFO VIDS !!!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The Silent_O surely knows such pre-world war equipment from his youth........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Video 17 MB (http://s17.quicksharing.com/v/5832613/Bundeswehr_Panzerhaubitze_2000_PzH2000_Artillerie_ Schulfilm.avi.avi.html)



P.S: I have a vid of Atomic Annie in action somewhere. I´ll search it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The_Silent_O
06-01-2006, 07:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
The Silent_O surely knows such pre-world war equipment from his youth........ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whooa...good to see that you soldiers get to see the same bland films that we had to watch...

This brings back memories from the O's youth in his professional development courses. When an instructor had to fill his instruction time, he would usually show some cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif film about some new weapon system...funny how the soundtracks are the same...I'd call it bad 'Euro-techno' The 'O' would slowly lose to the sleep monster...

I think my .gif is showing atomic annie now...During his Ranger School Days, the 'O' had to 'hump' (march) across that same terrain...I saw strange...funny things out there in the desert (Utah) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Celeon999
06-01-2006, 08:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This brings back memories from the O's youth in his professional development courses. When an instructor had to fill his instruction time, he would usually show some cool film about some new weapon system...funny how the soundtracks are the same...I'd call it bad 'Euro-techno' The 'O' would slowly lose to the sleep monster...

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

You should see this info vid about the Panzerfaust III that they are showing...

Celeon somehow suddenly felt the need to ram a ballpen into his left eye...... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Yes your gif shows the vid i meant http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

They remote fired the gun from several miles away. They feared the grenade might explode right in the barrel http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

What things did you see in the desert ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Here it is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Atomic Annie (http://s17.quicksharing.com/v/871825/0800015.mpeg.html)

Baldricks_Mate
06-01-2006, 09:10 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

OMG

We really are a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.

Are these what they call tactical nuclear weapons?

It would soon ramp up a low intensity conflict!

The only music to play while doing this would have to be: you guessed it: "DOPE!" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Kill the ******* enemy
Kill the ******* enemy
Burn, burn, burn the mother ****** down
Kill the ******* enemy
Kill the ******* enemy
Burn, burn, burn the mother ******* to the ground...

please read my sig...B_M

Celeon999
06-01-2006, 09:38 AM
We are no fans of nuclear weapons. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif

We just follow the old male ritual who has the biggest artillery you know ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Baldricks_Mate
06-01-2006, 09:49 AM
Ahhhn now I know why Putin's face is so sour. He has a bad case of artillery envy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I understand the facination with the big bang bit... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Atomic Annie was right out there.
I suppose what got me was the result being all out of porportion to the calibre. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
But then again an unintentional pregnacy could be said to have the same effect.

The_Silent_O
06-01-2006, 12:32 PM
I'm not avocating NUCs here either. As you can see we canned Atomic Annie back in the 50s.

Why wait??? you can buy your own!

http://www.cannon-mania.com/third-scale.htm

Celeon999
06-02-2006, 02:49 AM
How could we talk about artillery without mentioning the biggest gun ever build ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Dora - 800mm rail artillery.

She doesnt played a big role in the war but i believe she was used against the allied forces during the invasion of sicily was then sabotaged by its owners and captured by allied soldiers a few days later.

The gun was hidden in a rail tunnel and got only driven out to fire.

Dora was also one of the suggested main weaponary of the super self propelled howitzer/tank "landcruiser" P-1500 Ratte. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I believe she was the only artillery that came close to Atomic Annie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


This vid gives a good impression of the size (http://s17.quicksharing.com/v/3106601/dora.mpeg.html)

Dora gets loaded and fires (http://s17.quicksharing.com/v/6759064/dora2_mpg4_.avi.html)

kaskarilla
06-02-2006, 04:30 AM
hi, Celeon here is the uncut version of that vid
well is'nt uncut, just a bit more of footage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1209533366135570549&q=dora

Celeon999
06-02-2006, 05:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kaskarilla:
hi, Celeon here is the uncut version of that vid
well is'nt uncut, just a bit more of footage
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1209533366135570549&q=dora </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

There is also Celeon´s beloved super siege mortar Karl on it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Where can i download the vid in another format ?

It doesnt seem to work via the website.
I only get a 627 kb .GVP file http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Dont know that format an none of my players plays it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Kaleun1961
06-02-2006, 07:46 AM
Yeah, Celeon, I see what you mean about that soundtrack being like 70's porn:

"Oh, yeah, baby, give it to me...."

"Yeah, you like it like that, eh?..."

Fake moans and screams of pleasure...

In comes Ron Jeremy with his fat, hairy belly.

Yuck.

Celeon999
06-02-2006, 08:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
Yeah, Celeon, I see what you mean about that soundtrack being like 70's porn:

"Oh, yeah, baby, give it to me...."

"Yeah, you like it like that, eh?..."

Fake moans and screams of pleasure...

In comes Ron Jeremy with his fat, hairy belly.

Yuck. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Good ol´ Ron ... So many years in buisness and still in action http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3923/486pxronjeremypeta2wv.jpg

Kaleun1961
06-02-2006, 08:35 AM
He's actually getting into mainstream media. What's the world coming to when Ron Jeremy starts appearing on daytime TV? I saw him in a television ad as well as on one of those talk shows as a panel guest. I guess his ad for PETA is another example of this. So funny!

cpt_Alex2006
06-02-2006, 08:47 AM
SSHHH, someone you know helped manufacture breech parts for Saddams super gun (the larger one that never made it) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Honestly I never saw such NDT (none destructive testing) on gas pipe parts http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kaleun1961
06-02-2006, 09:33 AM
That would be Reginald Bull's supergun. Now THAT would have been a monster gun!

Edit: I think I got his name wrong. Perhaps it was Gerald Vincent Bull?

Edit: Just Googled it, and it is Gerald Vincent Bull. Here's a link to his supergun:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iraq/other/supergun.htm

Celeon999
06-02-2006, 09:54 AM
He used the high pressure pump design of the V-3 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

V-3 at Mimoyecques (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon)

cpt_Alex2006
06-02-2006, 12:50 PM
Right guy, wrong gun. That was the baby, several UK firms were making parts for ahem a gas main, all cleared by the home office.

It turns out they were for the guns big brother.. we made parts on behalf of a forgings firm that had did work through the home office.

I dont think any parts made it to Iraq, the gun was never assembled.

edit, having read the repor above, it must have been the 1000mm beastie. must be some bbc reports from the Iraqi supergun fiasco about.

WilhelmSchulz.
06-02-2006, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Baldricks_Mate:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

OMG

We really are a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants.

Are these what they call tactical nuclear weapons?

It would soon ramp up a low intensity conflict! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The diffrence between tactical and stateigic nuclear weapons/warfair is a thin fuzzy line placed by comanders and the men who advise them.

WilhelmSchulz.
06-02-2006, 01:31 PM
But to get back on track.....

The American 155mm M109A6 Paladin SPH(I wonder if it can be used as a tank hunter http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif)
http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/9917/paladin33vf.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/5521/paladin15wc.jpg

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7241/paladin20an.jpg

Paladin M109A6 achieves a maximum firing rate of up to 8 rounds per minute and a sustained firing rate of 1 round per three minutes.

"Paladin is operated by a crew of four, a commander, driver, gunner and loader. Paladin is able to operate independently with no external technical assistance. The crew are able to receive mission data via a secure voice and digital communications system, compute the firing data, automatically unlock the cannon from the travel lock, point the cannon and fire, and move to a new location without external technical assistance. Paladin M109A6 fires the first round from the move in under 60 seconds. The "shoot and scoot" capability protects the crew from counterbattery fire."

Acunnon
06-02-2006, 10:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
I hope for some better vidz released by its manufacturer Rheinmetall "They also constructed weapons and tanks in ww-2 (Remember the Tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif ) and the main gun for the M1A1 and M1A2"

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the Abrams gun was manufactures in Germany it is currently being manufactured at the Watervliet Arsenal here in the states

Celeon999
06-03-2006, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the Abrams gun was manufactures in Germany it is currently being manufactured at the Watervliet Arsenal here in the states </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It would be too complex and expensive to build it here and ship it over.


The gun was developed by Rheinmetall with the name L44 and is produced under license in the united states with the name M256.

I wonder what they payed for the license .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Two names, same gun.

The new Leopard 2 A6EX has the successor L-55 gun which is a bit longer and can fire new non-NATO types of rocket propelled high speed ammunition. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Im sure it will also be choosen as the main gun of the possible upcoming M1A3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Rheinmetall L44 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_L44)

Rheinmetall L55 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinmetall_L55)


Leopard 2-A6 with L44/M256

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/9467/leopard2a65en.jpg


Leopard 2-A6EX with the new L55 gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

I wonder what Sigmund Freud would say to that "longer gun" thing .... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4493/bild0029au.jpg

cpt_Alex2006
06-03-2006, 08:56 AM
I got a radio controled leopard that fires bb's, sends the dog crazy. Hurs of fun, may let my son play one day..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Celeon999
06-03-2006, 09:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cpt_Alex2006:
I got a radio controled leopard that fires bb's, sends the dog crazy. Hurs of fun, may let my son play one day..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I saw the same thing as an Tiger on ebay lately http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Kaleun1961
06-03-2006, 01:20 PM
Something I'm curious about: does anybody know how much these tanks and guns cost? How about the price per round of ammunition? It must be very costly to purchase all of the vehicles necessary to form say, an armoured brigade or division. And then on top of that the fuel for these thirsty beasts. But for fuel, I guess the thirstiest machine would be a twin engined jet fighter in full afterburner.

Celeon999
06-03-2006, 02:26 PM
One Leopard 2 costs about 4,5 million euros.

One round of ammunition costs about 1000 " but im not 100 % sure if this correct.

I can only repeat what our instructors told us over and over again.....

"Do not break this stuff"

"Its costs a hell lot of money !" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Messervy
06-03-2006, 04:03 PM
When looking at this tank and the new Merkava I cannot help but wonder why they created what would have been percieved in WW ll as a perfect shot trap.

Can someone explain the magic behind this odd wedge shaped front of the turret?

Kaleun1961
06-03-2006, 04:07 PM
Good point, Messervy. I've also wondered the same about the Abrams tank.

Acunnon
06-03-2006, 04:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the Abrams gun was manufactures in Germany it is currently being manufactured at the Watervliet Arsenal here in the states </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif It would be too complex and expensive to build it here and ship it over.


The gun was developed by Rheinmetall with the name L44 and is produced under license in the united states with the name M256.

I wonder what they payed for the license .. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Two names, same gun.

The new Leopard 2 A6EX has the successor L-55 gun which is a bit longer and can fire new non-NATO types of rocket propelled high speed ammunition. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Im sure it will also be choosen as the main gun of the possible upcoming M1A3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Leopard is the only current tank (non US) that I have any respect for, it realy is a nice looking bit of hardware.

There may be an M1A3 and it may go even to an M1A8 but I think the Abrams may be the last heavy tank the United States produces. The hihger ups here seem to be placing more and more emphasis in light fast moving with rapid deployment forces, and when you main tank can only only arive via heavy ships.


Unless another world war starts up. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Kaleun1961
06-03-2006, 04:33 PM
The Canadian army has been getting away from main battle tanks [not that we had that many anyway] and using light armoured vehicles in places like Croatia and Afghanistan. What I wonder is how such forces are to cope if they run up against a force that retains heavy armour? Air power would be a requirement in such a situation, all other factors being equal. Are the Russians or Chinese going to draw down their heavy armour units?

Celeon999
06-04-2006, 02:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">When looking at this tank and the new Merkava I cannot help but wonder why they created what would have been percieved in WW ll as a perfect shot trap.

Can someone explain the magic behind this odd wedge shaped front of the turret?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I wondered about this too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

But they must have a special reason for that because when you look at all the Leopards 2 before the A-6 version.......


Here is an A-4 of the polish army.....

See the turret ?

So there must be a special reason why they changed this design to the new one...


http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9909/800pxpolishleopard2a40xj.jpg

Celeon999
06-04-2006, 02:52 AM
Ah now i know !

Like i assumed.... :

The turret has been changed to the wedge form for two reasons

1.) The wedge form improves the front protection of the turret against hollow charge warheads.

The impacting grenade gets deflected either up or down and cant bring on its cutting power. The grenade explodes but the energy cant be focused on a single point (the idea of hollow-charges).

The likeliness that the armour gets penetrated is greatly reduced this way.


2.) The Leopard 2 has an modular armouring that gets fast and easy suited to the requirements of the battlefield.

It can be equipped with extra turret armour if requirered due to firepower avaible to the enemy.

So if the enemy has only older tanks and ammunition or no heavy anti tanks weapons at all the armouring can be reduced.


Even more changes have been made in the interior of the turret and which are therefore not visible.

The turret interior has now additional... ehhhmmm cant translate that... "Spall-Liner" plates to protect the crew from small lacquer splinters that can come of the walls when the tank recieves a hit.

This may sound rediculous but interviews with ww-2 tank crews showed that many soldiers recieved painful skin cut wounds (makes it harder to concentrate on your tasks) or even severe eye injuries due to these small metal splinters.

They also reduce the likeliness of small grenade shrapnels piercing through the armour and reaching the inside of the turret.

Messervy
06-04-2006, 05:12 AM
Yes that is a good explanation for hollow charge amunition but I still think that in case of APDS (armour piercing discharg sabot) it doesn`t work as well.

Splinters ha?
The other day I`ve been reading really interesting research about armour regarding the WWll battleships and there was a lot of effort spent in a design to prevent splinters to fly around and cause damage, even when there was no penetrating hit.

It also features a great research in Bismarck`s armour and offers a comparison to it`s contemporaries.

Here is link - I hope this won`t start the old Bismarck debate again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ARMOR PROTECTION OF THE BATTLESHIP KM BISMARCK (http://www.combinedfleet.com/okun_biz.htm)

Celeon999
06-04-2006, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Yes that is a good explanation for hollow charge amunition but I still think that in case of APDS (armour piercing discharg sabot) it doesn`t work as well. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well, something like a invulnerable tank doesnt exist. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Kaleun1961
06-04-2006, 01:08 PM
I still can't help but wonder what happens to a kinetic energy round that hits the underside of the turret mantlet and is then deflected downward. In WW2 tanks, and maybe with later tanks than that, such a deflection would result in the round penetrating through the upper deck of the hull. In fact, Canadian Sherman tank gunners were taught, when engaging the Panther, to try to hit the rounded mantlet [or is it mantle?] so the round would deflect downward. When you had to go up against Panther and Tigers in a Sherman, you had to resort to this sort of thing.

Celeon999
06-04-2006, 01:39 PM
One of the things i cant find an answer to. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

You find plenty of informations about it but if it goes into armour thickness and configuration you read always the same : Unknown/secret.

Also look at the Abrams, exactly the same strange thing and even more confusing.

A very wide gap between the turret and the upper hull.

I would assume that a grendade placed there would do great dammage even if it does not penetrate the armour.

It (or parts of it) could get stuck and block the turret, making it unturnable or even lift the turret up blocking its movement completely and disalign the targeting system of the gun.


But i cant believe that the engineers didnt thought of that. Its too obvious.


There must be a special reason for that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif


I assume that the wedge shaped front part of the Leopard 2 is only a light outer armour protecting against hollow-charge and other projectiles while there is an second inner thicker/harder armour belt made out of different materials and with a totally different form.

The outer part would propably get penetrated by an APDS projectile anyway, no matter what form the outer hull part has. It would not get deflected in any form.





http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/8662/m1a25ti.jpg

Celeon999
06-04-2006, 02:43 PM
I can only talk about hollow-charge rpg and missile weapons that was the only stuff i came in contact with.

I saw Panzerfaust tests on BMPs. The armour can virtually be pierced by a simple Panzerfaust RPG from every possible direction except the front body but the turret is vulnerable from all directions.



They packed a BMP-2 full of crash test dummies with complete uniforms and protection vests and shot it with an Pzf 3 projectile from 90 degrees into the right side.


Right after the hit we could see black smoke coming from the little hole where it impacted.

The hole was real tiny only as big as a golfball but as they opened the rear doors (with crowbars because they were slightly deformed) to let us take a look inside..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

It was a mess ! The heads and arms of the dummies that were sitting at the impact side were ripped off and the bodies of all others were pierced by shrapnels all over. Their uniforms and equipment pieces were burning too. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Short : They were all dead or at least severe wounded and sentenced to burn to death shortly after.

That left a great impression on me. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


Another things was that T-72 i blew up with an Milan missile projectile. It has an ever more powerful hollow-charge warhead that can pierce up to three meters of steel concrete.


I was aiming at the side of the turret from about 2500 meters distance. Bang ! The entire turret jumped off like a frog, flipped over and disappeared on the other side of the tank. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7859/violentsmiley0415mz.gif


Everybody was applauding and laughing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif


For safety reasons we had to wait an hour and let them extiguish the fire before we were allowed to get close.

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5913/227sh.gif
I found the turret upside down on the other side with just a small hole just as big as a graipfruit.

The super overheated air inside the turret expanded so quickly and powerful that the turret was simply lifted out of the tank body.

Nobody inside could had survived this. The crew would had been burned, teared apart , cooked.... everything in the same second. A quick but brutal way to die http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif


Anyway , Celeon was the hero of the day. He found one of the weak spots at first try http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2595/9990le.gif

He performed the first "full turret lift" since months http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

This happens only very rarely and with intact tanks that dont have any holes from other fire test yet. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif



Here are some Milan pics


http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/7949/milan20mc.jpg
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/7938/1newimg7qf.jpg
http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/5213/2newimg2vy.jpg

Kaleun1961
06-04-2006, 02:49 PM
The closest I came to that was a couple of hits on the turret ring with the old LAW's rockets, back in 1980. I doubt they are still using those today, at least not for an anti-tank role.

Messervy
06-04-2006, 08:12 PM
quote
------------------------------------------------
It was a mess ! The heads and arms of the dummies that were sitting at the impact side were ripped off and the bodies of all others were pierced by shrapnels all over. Their uniforms and equipment pieces were burning too
------------------------------------------------

Makes you wonder for a while why we don`t ride into a battle in open boxcars?

Nowadays it surely seems a better option - until they re-invent the trenches and machineguns , that is. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

cpt_Alex2006
06-05-2006, 11:03 AM
Just thinking on the sloping turret armour, looking at piccies if the top armour slopped all the way to the lowest part of the turret at that angle the turret would be wider than the tank and when swung outto the front would be overhanging the side.

To reduce the width/length of the turret without altering the angle of slope the turret would have a much smaller usable space internally.
Perhaps they chose a compromise, just my 2 cents

WilhelmSchulz.
06-05-2006, 01:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kaleun1961:
The closest I came to that was a couple of hits on the turret ring with the old LAW's rockets, back in 1980. I doubt they are still using those today, at least not for an anti-tank role. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The LAW is nothing more than a light disposible BAZOOKA. With modern reactive tank armor it is not verry efictive. Now the U.S Armed Forces uses the Javlin Anti-tank missle. A verry smart and powerfull system. It's actuly programed to go after the turret/hull mating. But the LAW's could be used agianst the thiner skined BMP's/APC's

Celeon999
06-05-2006, 01:14 PM
What about buying one ?

Might come in handy , for example when the neighbours are too loud or something.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


LAW (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=900782)


Or what about a Panzerschreck ?

Everything else than small and handy but still useful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Panzerschreck (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=871003)

Kaleun1961
06-05-2006, 03:12 PM
It's a good thing that we can't buy these things legally up here in the Great White North. I'd have been tempted to use them on the neighbours a few times over the years.

NWMasterdam
06-05-2006, 03:32 PM
Regarding the sloped armour, all I can think off is the effectiveness; more chance of ricochets and it makes the armour "thicker".

Also modern MBT's (Main Battle Tanks) are to fight from hull-down postions; ideally, only the turret of the tank should be exposed to enemy fire (the hull should be under the horizon). A reason why most modern MBT's have thicker turret armour then hull armour.

With regards to Sabot rounds penetrating the frontal armour of a modern MBT; the chances are slim. The armour covering most western MBT's (M1 Abrams, Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 MBT's) is Chobham armour; a composite armour almost immune to HEAT (hollow-charge) rounds and very strong with regards to APFSDS (Sabot) rounds. Offcourse it is still possible, but as in WWII, MBT's are to be shot from the flank or rear.

Anyways, just my two cents on the disscussion about shape and postion of armour on modern MBT's.

comanderFritz
06-05-2006, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
What about buying one ?

Might come in handy , for example when the neighbours are too loud or something.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


LAW (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=900782)


Or what about a Panzerschreck ?

Everything else than small and handy but still useful http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Panzerschreck (http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=871003) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

dont you have to have a ton of paperwork over in europe to get that

i know here in the united states that would be a class 3 weapon and the most useless pointless most unorganized organization to ever be funded http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif(the BATF) doesnt like to let people buy that kind of stuff

hell if they had it there way they would do away with the 2nd amendment
so i countinue my collection of semi autos and bolt actions http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Kaleun1961
06-05-2006, 05:45 PM
Up here in Canada our government has no concept about citizens being able to defend themselves, their families and property. People who own firearms are viewed with suspicion. Keep up the fight for your 2nd Amendment rights, or you'll be living in a Big Brother nanny state.

Celeon999
06-06-2006, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">dont you have to have a ton of paperwork over in europe to get that

i know here in the united states that would be a class 3 weapon and the most useless pointless most unorganized organization to ever be funded (the BATF) doesnt like to let people buy that kind of stuff </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



These are only decoration pieces http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

All chemicals within the grenades have been removed and the triggering system has been disabled to make the launchers inoperable.


It is simply illegal to sell, buy or own such weapons. (When they still have their functions)

No way to legal own them even with paperwork. Its simply forbidden.

There are several laws in Germany that say in what way each type of weapon has to be rendered unusable before they get an officical deco-weapon approvement from the police.

As soon as they have this approvement you can sell , buy, own , collect them. Of course its illegal to manipulate the weapon in any way to make it usable again but this is anyway nearly impossible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

You cant buy or own any weapons that are mentioned in the "Kriegswaffen Konventions Gesetz" (weapons of war convention law)

This includes everything that contains explosives, aswell as full automatic pistols, mps , machineguns, assault rifles etc....

Full automatic stuff in general.

Everything illegal for the civil community.


Semi automatic weapons are a different story but thats where the paperwork war you mentioned starts.....

And you better have enough money http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


There is some controversy now about the HK-SL8 which is the civil semi auto sport rifle version of the G-36

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2263/sl83yr.jpg


The problem is that there are still parts avaible for legal purchase that can be used to transform this thing into a full scale assault rifle. Or at least let it look like one.

You can transform it in several ways like these.

These here on the pics are just visual modifications, the weapon is still semi-auto but the military optics aswell as barrel and mag sets give it this assault rifle look.

But there are also inner parts avaible that make it full-auto. These will propably get forbidden soon.

I heard that the SL-8 is very beloved in the u.s http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2323/khsl8full6009ms.jpg
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1655/sl208204x2420seitlich20k3fc.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8743/2414129fm.jpg
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7586/hksl8013tw.jpg

Acunnon
06-06-2006, 04:01 PM
I like the double drum mag in the second to last picture. more shooting less reloading. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
06-06-2006, 08:11 PM
Celeon sorry but another question. Hunter's Night, how do you say that?

Celeon999
06-07-2006, 02:13 AM
Hunter´s Night.

Directly translated it would J¤ger´s Nacht.

Or are these words ment in the sense of "The night of the Hunters" ?

WilhelmSchulz.
06-07-2006, 01:07 PM
Well its for my sig this picther with that. I just wasent shure what the plural was. Just for S&G whats the other one?

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/5610/snight8sy.jpg

Celeon999
06-07-2006, 01:35 PM
The other would be


Die Nacht der J¤ger http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Both sound good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WilhelmSchulz.
06-08-2006, 08:29 PM
Hows this Celeon? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Celeon999
06-09-2006, 01:31 AM
Nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Celeon999
07-18-2006, 06:03 AM
Its not pet cemetary....


Its thread cemetary part II http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Celeon resurrected this thread due to an vid he found on his endless youtube.com voyages. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

We had a discussion why the turret of the Leopard 2 A5 and A6 looks like it looks and it seems that ive found some good explanations in this video http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In english of course http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


Leopard 2A5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxuUbcaQHQ&mode=related&search=)


Also notice this video

Tiger tank (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NpK05sUdEQ&mode=related&search=)

Bucketlung
07-18-2006, 09:12 AM
The tiger tank sure doesn't look like technology over 60 years old.

WilhelmSchulz.
07-18-2006, 09:36 AM
VIDIOS FROM CELEON, IN ENGLISH!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Messervy
07-18-2006, 11:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bucketlung:
The tiger tank sure doesn't look like technology over 60 years old. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the very first time I`ve ever seen the original one and not the replica of casemate and the turret on god knows which ever chassis.

It looks like the grandfathers had them hidden in haystacks for all those years and now they are finaly brave enough to show them. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
I was utterly puzzled when I saw a Panther the other day. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
07-18-2006, 11:48 AM
Damn !

I knew Messervy would find out about operation haystack some day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4301/cap431pz2.jpg


I know definitly that they have a Tiger in the Rubinka tank museum in moscow.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

For those of you who havent seen it yet here is the Panther vid which messervy is talking about.

I love the sound of that big bad oil-cooker http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Panther vid (http://s3.quicksharing.com/v/952513/panther_03.avi.html)

Celeon999
07-18-2006, 01:30 PM
Ok ...now that Messervy knows the truth anyway....

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif We have hidden more than you might think....

Jagdpanther (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFeGIm65Pe0&search=Jagdpanther)

WilhelmSchulz.
07-18-2006, 06:47 PM
I know that Shot! Band of Brothers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Messervy
07-19-2006, 02:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
Damn !

I knew Messervy would find out about operation haystack some day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Have you seen that in Kublinka (not Rubinka) they also have a Maus http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/pav6-9.jpg

..and Carl
http://www.tankmuseum.ru/images/pav6-14.jpg

Celeon999
07-19-2006, 03:06 AM
Ahhh yes Kublinka.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Where did i heard the word Rubinka ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif anyway....

I knew the pic of Karl but havent seen the Maus until now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif have you seen the Jagdpanther firing ?


I bet the 150 mm gun of the Maus could still kick butt today http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Messervy
07-19-2006, 03:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">have you seen the Jagdpanther firing ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To bad they only fired a propelant charge and not the real one.

Celeon999
07-19-2006, 05:55 AM
This video is from these crazy ww-2 reenactors we discussed in another thread.

They definitly need some psychological help http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Crazy reenactors in action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn_hXdOl2JE&mode=related&search=)

WilhelmSchulz.
07-19-2006, 10:04 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Celeon999
07-19-2006, 10:22 AM
Heh... Could this thing that they have there be the T-34/Tiger mockup from Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers ?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Messervy
07-19-2006, 11:54 AM
No, it`s definately not T-34 chassis.
I`ve seen this one in some Discovery/National Geografic programs but never figured out what chassis it was originaly.

Celeon999
07-20-2006, 02:19 AM
Here is a propaganda movie from ww-2 "Men against tanks" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Actually it was a propaganda and a training movie for Panzergrenadiere showing the usage and effects of the Panzerfaust , Panzerschreck and magnetic hollowcharges.

Great thing is that they used real weapons and and real captured T-34 tanks for making this movie.

It has english subtitles. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


M¤nner gegen Panzer part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STQHH_hJlhM&search=Panzer)

M¤nner gegen Panzer part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb7SixS9PAw&search=Panzer)

Celeon999
07-20-2006, 02:39 AM
I just saw there was something missing .


Here is the rest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


M¤nner gegen Panzer part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9elpbW4c18&mode=related&search=)

Dominicrigg
07-20-2006, 04:59 AM
wow nice thread, and cool videos!!! GUNS!!!!


BOOM!

Celeon999
08-19-2006, 01:49 AM
Celeon found two videos about one of his former favourite toys http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


Not english sadly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Panzerfaust -3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0IvGEDiVMk)

Bunkerfaust (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgySxvjmRMw&mode=related&search=)

AO1_AW_SW_USN
08-19-2006, 03:32 AM
Ladies and Gentleman,

I hearby provide this for your viewing enjoyment.

The Schwerer Gustav

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/SchwererGustav.jpg


And it's associated AP Round (and no, that is not me in the picture http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif)

http://www.nosbibulis.com/gallery/albums/album11/Schwerer_Gustav.jpg

Celeon999
08-20-2006, 08:56 AM
This mortar kicks butt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Siege Mortar Karl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZiNvLHK0K0)

VikingGrandad
08-21-2006, 04:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Celeon999:
This mortar kicks butt http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Siege Mortar Karl (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZiNvLHK0K0) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So does this revolver! (http://www.swissminigun.com/home.html) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Acunnon
08-21-2006, 11:43 PM
neat but why the heck would some one want such a tiny little thing.

Gmuno
08-21-2006, 11:49 PM
... for shooting mosqitos

Celeon999
08-22-2006, 08:35 AM
Poker players need something like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Remember the famous Dillinger ?

Acunnon
08-22-2006, 02:11 PM
you mean the little shoot him twice and he might think it is a mosqueto dillinger? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Celeon999
08-27-2006, 11:42 AM
What about a STG-44 that can shoot around corners ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


STG/MP 44 Corner shooter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5JTxuPW0to&mode=related&search=)

Celeon999
08-27-2006, 11:50 AM
Here is a second video that descibes the function and idea behind it better...

Corner shooter part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kzCorJw5_o&NR)

Acunnon
08-27-2006, 04:52 PM
If I am shooting around corners I will give the new Corner Shot a go.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Corner-Shot-1.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Corner-Shot-4.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/CornerShot-3.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/5_conershot-40mm.jpg

This niftly bit of hardware is equiped with a camera system and can work with a huge variety of weapons from a 9mm to an M4 and all the way up to a 40mm Grenade Launcher

Celeon999
08-28-2006, 08:26 AM
Nice. I like that one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Theoreticly it would be no problem to attach a assault rifle on the same system.

Except an weight balance problem that would require a solution but this is solvable.

I came across another video :

The new standard MP of the Bundeswehr http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

HK MP-7 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif

Its small , its light and it fires 950 rounds per minute.

AND it kicks the UZI´s and MAC´s from their throne http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Semi/Full automatic

But what makes this weapon really unique is its 4,6 mm ammunition.
The 4,6 mm series had been developed in the 1980ths for my favourite assault rifle prototype HK G-11 but in a unconventional caseless version.

This conventional 4,6 mm ammo goes through kevlar like a hot knife through butter. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

At closer distances it has more punch than 5,56 NATO assault rifle ammo. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

The original HK description says "The MP-7 is the answer to combatants which wear modern body armours technologies"


But listen to this american fellow here who describes its main features much better

MP-7 on the shooting range (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk37O80I07M&mode=related&search=)


This is the civil PDW version without muzzle flash suppressor.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3402/pdwmainlf1.jpg

Acunnon
08-28-2006, 10:53 AM
nice little unit, the pistol grip magazine is not as prevelant in high end subs any more. The all but trade marked forward verticle grip is naturaly present along with the telocopic butt stock. Small compact looks good for tank and artillery crew. I am at work right now but I will post a bit more later when I have time or get home.

WilhelmSchulz.
08-28-2006, 11:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Acunnon:
If I am shooting around corners I will give the new Corner Shot a go.

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Corner-Shot-1.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Corner-Shot-4.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/CornerShot-3.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/5_conershot-40mm.jpg

This niftly bit of hardware is equiped with a camera system and can work with a huge variety of weapons from a 9mm to an M4 and all the way up to a 40mm Grenade Launcher </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I love Isrial! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Acunnon
08-29-2006, 12:38 AM
OICW & OCSW

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/ocsw_atd.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/slide07.gif

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/slide11.gif

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/oicw4.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/oicw2.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/oicw.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f181/Nalper/Guns/oicw3.jpg

Celeon999
08-29-2006, 09:20 AM
Ah yes the OICW project.

Sadly it was an model example for an ambitious project that ended with millions spend and nearly nothing gained from it.

The displayed assault rifle is already dead and will never be produced. One of the main reasons for that is obvious : Too big , too heavy and propably too expensive.

The G-36 and MP-7 are the only concepts of the OICW program that ever entered production. Or better said they are the only successors of participating prototype modells that made it to series production.

Another part of the G-36 series , the XM-8 , which also participated in that program is dead by now.


Indeed only this specific model is dead while the series still exists.

Maybe another model will replace the M-4 ,M-16, XM series as standard of the u.s armed forces in the future.


http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9210/800pxxm8wxm320sharpshooterph6.jpg

Grrbob25
08-29-2006, 03:32 PM
True, the XM8 project was ended in october of 2005. Though the plans are still being used by H&K, perhaps to be the Bundeswehr's sucessor to the G36 as a standard? also airsoft XM8's are no longer consiterded "replica" firearms, they are now called "imiation" firearms, I should know I own one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Acunnon
08-29-2006, 06:10 PM
All true Celeon but one if the other major reasons I think is that the damn this was simply to complex for the average grunt to figure out. I think the M4 will be around for a while, if only because it is hard to give up somthing you know works for somthing that was yet to be tested.

Celeon999
08-30-2006, 09:40 AM
Well it seems unclear why the XM-8 was dropped by the u.s army.

There are two different stories.

The u.s army claims that the XM-8 has a cooling problem at heavy duty usage.

HK denies that.

It is rumoured that the real reasons were the gigantic costs of the OICW development program in combination with those the XM-8 would bring additionaly, which the u.s army simply cannot afford within the next 5 years.

Maybe HK will try a second run in 2011 with an improved XM-8 version.


I doubt that the XM-8 will become the successor for the G-36. It will propably stay the main infantry weapon of the german army for the next 15 to 20 years.

But it is possible that many of its features might be integrated step by step in future G-36 variants, thanks to the modularity that was the main idea of the G-36 series right from the beginning.


http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7971/560pxxm8posteron9.jpg


But HK has still another horse in the race.

The HK-416 carbine which was originally named HK M-4. (The weapon is suggested to replace Colt M-4 within the u.s armed forces)


Of course Colt was pissed of that M-4 name thing and took legal action against HK forcing them to rename it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/459/hk416kk0.jpg

WilhelmSchulz.
08-30-2006, 09:44 AM
looks like the M4 as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Celeon999
08-30-2006, 09:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WilhelmSchulz.:
looks like the M4 as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes the u.s army has the wish that all candidate weapons should have the main layout of the M-4 to prevent that thousands of soldiers need a complete new training at that weapon.

Acunnon
08-30-2006, 10:56 AM
looks futuristic with all those curves and I am asuming plastics and composits http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif