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Capt._Tenneal
03-02-2004, 03:06 PM
Which of the new flyables in AEP will you try out first -- online, offline ? What are your expectations (before the whining starts) ?

Capt._Tenneal
03-02-2004, 03:06 PM
Which of the new flyables in AEP will you try out first -- online, offline ? What are your expectations (before the whining starts) ?

Zen--
03-02-2004, 03:13 PM
TA152

Expecting for it to fly like the Dora, perhaps a bit slower climb rate with more turning ability. I've already heard the engine noise from the video, can't wait to fly the plane itself.

-Zen-

Fenna
03-02-2004, 03:17 PM
Spit of course :crazy:

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jensenpark
03-02-2004, 03:17 PM
Ta 152 or the Spit...

Ta 152 because I'm tired of fighter the uber la7's in an 109 so want an alternative...

Spit because, well you don't need a real reason...it's hardwired in our brains to love that plane I think.

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BM357_Raven
03-02-2004, 03:20 PM
P-38, Spit, P-51B/C...Online baby!

My expectations? That we will all live happily ever after...

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buz13
03-02-2004, 03:20 PM
Spit V clipped wings vs 190 A5 -
Low alt.......we will see how good the 190 is against this version of the Spit....

lbhskier37
03-02-2004, 03:20 PM
BF110!

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BaldieJr
03-02-2004, 03:20 PM
the horten, just cause so many have whined about it.


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PBNA-Boosher
03-02-2004, 03:22 PM
P-38! Oh yeah!

BBB_Hyperion
03-02-2004, 03:23 PM
In this Order first Fun Planes cause of the FM most likely interpolated.
Me163, He162 , Go229 , YP80.
After small coffee break then.
P38, Ta152, Mistel
Another coffee break later.
Checking new Loadouts for Bombers and Jabos.
Trying around with new campaign system.
After that going Online to test TB3 SPB

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Korolov
03-02-2004, 03:24 PM
P-38, of course.

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BuzzU
03-02-2004, 03:26 PM
P-38, P-63, P-51's. Maybe even that goofy looking Ta152.

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Capt._Tenneal
03-02-2004, 03:29 PM
Wow, Hyperion. A man with a plan. :)

My first weekend with AEP will be a marathon session. Well, maybe bathroom breaks and shower breaks. Myself, I plan to try out the much maligned.... Bf-109 Zwilling babee! :D

Zen--
03-02-2004, 03:29 PM
/me shakes fist at BuzzU

-Zen-

BuzzU
03-02-2004, 03:30 PM
Originally posted by Zen--:
/me shakes fist at BuzzU

-Zen-


I thought that would get to you.

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Zen--
03-02-2004, 03:32 PM
lol

-Zen-

BpGemini
03-02-2004, 03:34 PM
Take a guess.

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madsarmy
03-02-2004, 03:36 PM
Spit,P38,BF110

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JG26Red
03-02-2004, 03:39 PM
TA152, then maybe them goofy looking P38s, P63s and spits

Bull_Pup
03-02-2004, 03:40 PM
p-38, Spit, Ta-152, Snoopy's dog house.....

lbhskier37
03-02-2004, 03:42 PM
I think right after I get sick of the bf110, I will start killing spits in my 190

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F19_Orheim
03-02-2004, 03:52 PM
J8A of course, then CR 42 and Fiat G50.

BS87
03-02-2004, 04:14 PM
P38, followed by the Ta152. Gonna be hard choosing betweent he pony or fork tailed devil. Or maybe it won't ;)

robban75
03-02-2004, 04:17 PM
The Ta 152H of course! And then the Spitfire.


When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

Bearcat99
03-02-2004, 04:28 PM
P-51C,B Spit,38...152

Ob.Emann
03-02-2004, 05:15 PM
1. Horten
2. Komet
3. Spitefire (whatever version I come across first)
4. Ta-152
5. Gloster Gladiator (hehe)

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Obi_Kwiet
03-02-2004, 05:20 PM
I'll buy 18 more PC's and try them all simultanioulsy! (Hey where are the smilies!!!)

VW-IceFire
03-02-2004, 05:25 PM
Well I think it will be the Spitfire first followed by the P-38, the P-63, and the Ta-152 in whatever order seems pleasing. Then onto some single player missions, dynamic campaigns, and multiplayer!

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Gershy
03-02-2004, 05:27 PM
Bf110

JG1_vonPletz
03-02-2004, 05:31 PM
Originally posted by Bull_Pup:
p-38, Spit, Ta-152, Snoopy's dog house.....

S!
LOL :)


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SlickStick
03-02-2004, 05:31 PM
I'm going for that P-63 first, then the Clipped Spit 1944 version and the other Spits next. Oh my, then the P38s, P51s, Kis and then I'm looking forward to flying the Fiats and IARs.

After all the initial fun, I'm going to take the Ta152 for an extended ride and see what all the hoopla may or may not be about.;)

Curse you Oleg and 1C.:(

AEP is going to take me on the fast track to divorce court from just trying the new planes, let alone learning them.:D

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necrobaron
03-02-2004, 05:34 PM
I will definately fly the P-38 first,but I also want to try the "new" P-51 and P-80 for their K-14s. I've heard it's now quite possible to regularly take out a enemy from 800m away with it. That,I have to see. I'm curious to see how the He-162 and Go-229 handle as well. The J8A and Bf-110 will also be among the first simply because of their incredible looking cockpits.

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Future-
03-02-2004, 05:37 PM
Being a bomber jockey, I'll try the

B-25 series

first, both online and offline. After them, I'll check on the P-38 and the Mistel, followed by the YP-80.

S!

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WilliVonBill
03-02-2004, 05:44 PM
Its a toss up between the Spit or the P38. Looks like I'll have to be sporting about it and flip a coin...

Maj_Death
03-02-2004, 05:58 PM
Depends on what planes are in AEP. Right now there are 9 unlisted planes so it could be one of them. If I don't like any of the 9 suprise planes then I'll probebly go with the Bf-110. This is of course assuming I get AEP which is questionable.

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JG7_Rall
03-02-2004, 06:00 PM
Psh, I'm definatly trying the Mistel first. I wont fly it often at all, but I really wanna blow some sh*t up with this badass mofo..:D

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Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 06:03 PM
Whaaaaaa. P-80 is in the game. Im going to pout about it and not buy it. Whaaaa.

Well your missing out on a lot of good aircraft. Bf-110, Ta-152, J8A, P-38, and many many many more.


Originally posted by Maj_Death:
Depends on what planes are in AEP. Right now there are 9 unlisted planes so it could be one of them. If I don't like any of the 9 suprise planes then I'll probebly go with the Bf-110. This is of course assuming I get AEP which is questionable.

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Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 06:05 PM
B-25 did not make it on the CD. Im guessing it will be added for free later on with more Spit models and other models like the Ju-88 flyable from Jippo. From what I have seen and heard, Oleg will be adding free aircraft for people with the Aces expantion.


Originally posted by Future-:
Being a bomber jockey, I'll try the

B-25 series

first, both online and offline. After them, I'll check on the P-38 and the Mistel, followed by the YP-80.

S!

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SlickStick
03-02-2004, 06:08 PM
Life is good.

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Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 06:26 PM
Only bad thing? Mistel is not useable in DF servers. That would have been fun. Someone sneaking up on a Ju-88, and realize "OW SH!!!" and then start flying AWAY from it before it hits.

Cossack13
03-02-2004, 06:32 PM
Bf-110G-2 and I expect it to be the Luftwaffe's answer to the Il-2!

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Flamin_Squirrel
03-02-2004, 06:35 PM
Not usable at all? What about scripted servers? Would be so cool to see a horde of Mistels flying together wreaking havoc...

IV_JG51_Prien
03-02-2004, 06:35 PM
The Bf-110.. and I'm never getting out of it :P

Maj_Death
03-02-2004, 06:41 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Whaaaaaa. P-80 is in the game. Im going to pout about it and not buy it. Whaaaa.

Well your missing out on a lot of good aircraft. Bf-110, Ta-152, J8A, P-38, and many many many more.


Originally posted by Maj_Death:
Depends on what planes are in AEP. Right now there are 9 unlisted planes so it could be one of them. If I don't like any of the 9 suprise planes then I'll probebly go with the Bf-110. This is of course assuming I get AEP which is questionable.

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The F7F Tigercat in Aces Over the Pacific is overmodeled.

You over-rate yourself. You don't actually think I would not buy AEP just because of a couple of imaginary planes created by you do you? By that logic I wouldn't have bought IL2 in the first place cause it had the Mig-3U and Yak-9K.

The reason I am unsure as to if I will buy it is because I don't like buying addons for addons and because I havn't been convinced it will add $30 worth of stuff. All I know is we get some more planes, most of which are worthless to me, and a revised Fw damage model. That isn't worth $30 to me. Whether or not the lack of loadouts for the He-111, Ju-87 and other planes is solved maybe the deciding factor.

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The F7F Tigercat in Aces Over the Pacific is overmodeled.

Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 06:50 PM
Well the Mistel flight path is AI controled. But AI controled aircraft is not possible in DF servers. You can use it in Coop though. But the AI cant fly the 190 with the Mistel attached. So the only way you will get to shoot at a Mistel is in a coop or if you shoot your own after you release it.


Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel:
Not usable at all? What about scripted servers? Would be so cool to see a horde of Mistels flying together wreaking havoc...

jung0l
03-02-2004, 06:54 PM
What da hell is Imaginary about a jet that flew in 1945, and shot down MiG's in Korea?.....


Anyway for me it will be the P51B(Tuskegee's planes), Spit(full wing), P-38J, TA......oh hell I'm gonna be tryin every damn thing on that disc. I'm kid who acts non-chalant about Christmas right up until Christmas Eve, and then he's like come on, come on, come on!

Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 06:55 PM
If you dont think almost 30 more flyable aircraft is worth it, then what would?

I guess your proof that you can please everyone.

I guess if you got a FW-190 A6 or D12 you would hop all over it.

Maj_Death
03-02-2004, 07:06 PM
I'm happy with the planes already in FB except I would like the Bf-110, Ju-88 and Pe-2. Only one of those is in AEP. The other planes I don't give a flying f*ck about. Get your head out of your *ss gibbage, not everyone is interested in a luft-46 pack. The early P-51's, spits and P-38 interest me some but we would need more western front maps and ground objects for me to be willing to buy it for that. As I said, I havn't said I won't be buying it. I simply have not been impressed with its listed features. If it has improved flight models, more loadouts for existing planes and has some more western front maps then I will get it. If it lacks those critical things then I won't. More planes alone is not enough for me to be willing to spend $30 on it.

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ajafoofoo
03-02-2004, 07:06 PM
He'll buy it.

adlabs6
03-02-2004, 07:08 PM
Well, I don't have to buy it, having won it today! :grin:

In anycase, I'm thinking I'll test the abilities of the P-38, then the P-51C, followed by the Bf-110. With serious stuff out of the way, I'll move the the beauties... those great biplanes, and then the fun stuff like the jets, and the mistel.

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adlabs6
03-02-2004, 07:18 PM
In response to Maj_Death, I also feel the same way. Yes, Gibbage, the 30+ planes are great, but before winning that contest today, I'd deceded that I would wait on Aces until either the B-25's or the Ju-88's were patched in. It's not the money, or that I mind paying for others good work, heck I've willingly paid for PC desktop wallpaper! I just wasn't convinced that Aces was really going to be enough of my interests, mainly bombers.

Like I said, I would have eventually bought it, but it would have been when I was getting content that was more of interest for me personally.

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badaboom.1
03-02-2004, 07:24 PM
I can't wait to crank up the 2 Allison engines of the P-38 & put her to the test!!!Then maybe after 33hrs of pure flying enjoyment I'LL set a QMB with the P-80 vs ME262 & see how I do with the turbines!!!!!!BTW I called my iocal GAMESTOP here in CHICAGO they say it will be in tomorrow early afternoon!!!!!,I feel like a kid on Christmass Eve!!!!!!

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Dash_C.
03-02-2004, 07:28 PM
110 first. Horten last probably. But I really wanna update my Continuation war missions with the Hawk and Gladiator.

NTESLA
03-02-2004, 07:30 PM
The Avro Lancaster!

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Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 08:07 PM
Hay Maj. If you dont buy AEP, what are you going to complain about in the forums? You will have nothing to do all day!!! You need to buy it for that reason alone.

Gib

Osirisx9
03-02-2004, 08:14 PM
I'm looking foward to flying the Zero lol. Man i cant wait to get in a turn fight against those spits.

Osiris_X9

LEXX_Luthor
03-02-2004, 08:30 PM
1 dollar per Flyable airplane is a sweet deal. They will buy it and they will like it.

Gibbage, let us handle the Noobs, here, at the ubi.com, you need to go back to Modding...I~152 Biplane was tested with ramjets--that's a hint hint :)

TheGozr
03-02-2004, 08:37 PM
I bet Zen you getting creazy right now .. to try it :)

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BuzzU
03-02-2004, 08:41 PM
Cripes! A lousy $30. That's one tank of gas in my Jeep. I know i'll get a lot more pleasure out of the Expansion pack than I did out of Lock-On and 30 other games piled in the corner.

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clint-ruin
03-02-2004, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Hay Maj. If you dont buy AEP, what are you going to complain about in the forums? You will have nothing to do all day!!! You need to buy it for that reason alone.

Gib

As lexx said - ignore the trolls and people who can't work out that their favorite aircraft would be in the game if they'd only bothered to model it.

I am so, so looking forward to those who apparently can't stand FB paying up just to tell us all how bad AEP is :>

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clint-ruin
03-02-2004, 08:52 PM
bizarre double post crap deleted.

JR_Greenhorn
03-02-2004, 09:03 PM
Before the display of fellowship and good feelings above, Maj_Death asked about the other 9 flyables. As far as I know, they have pretty much all been revealed around here already, but there was nothing that he would "give a flying f*ck about" included among them.


Gibbage, regarding the Mistel, does this mean the AI can't fly it offline either? (I'm assuming so, but I don't want it to be true)
I was curious how it hit the target after it was released; the above sheds some light on that.


As I've said in the last one of these threads (:wink:), I'm anxious to fly the IAR 80/81 first.

Maj_Death
03-02-2004, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Hay Maj. If you dont buy AEP, what are you going to complain about in the forums? You will have nothing to do all day!!! You need to buy it for that reason alone.

Gib

I don't buy games for the purpose of whining. Grow up Gibbage, your childish behavior is really irritating.

Lexx_Luthor, Gibbage is a noob compared to me.

Anyways I'm done with this thread. There is no reason I should have to defend my position of being undecided as to if I should buy AEP or not. There has been no official word about what all is in it. Some things have been listed but there is no comprehensive list yet. So until there is or I read some posts by people who have it, then I will not rush out and buy it. If you have a problem with that, go whine to your dog.

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Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 10:12 PM
Only noob's make braud uneducated statements like this.


Originally posted by Maj_Death:

Lexx_Luthor, Gibbage is a noob compared to me.

Gibbage1
03-02-2004, 10:13 PM
Ya. The AI cant handle it. They explode on takeoff, taking out the complete airbase.


Originally posted by JR_Greenhorn:
Before the display of fellowship and good feelings above, Maj_Death asked about the other 9 flyables. As far as I know, they have pretty much all been revealed around here already, but there was nothing that he would "give a flying f*ck about" included among them.


Gibbage, regarding the Mistel, does this mean the AI can't fly it offline either? (I'm assuming so, but I don't want it to be true)
I was curious how it hit the target after it was released; the above sheds some light on that.


As I've said in the last one of these threads (:wink:), I'm anxious to fly the IAR 80/81 first.

Future-
03-02-2004, 10:49 PM
@ Gibbage: Now don't scare me... I know the interiors for the B-25s aren't done yet, but from what I last heard, the B-25s are supposed to be in the Ace Pack as ai planes, right?

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Maj_Death
03-02-2004, 10:57 PM
Oleg said in his AEP thread that the B-25's are coming at some point for AEP as flyable.

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Future-
03-02-2004, 11:05 PM
I just read up on it too, Oleg's posting indicates the B-25s (as ai planes) have been moved from the Ace pack to the free add-on that will be released soon.

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Bula
03-02-2004, 11:54 PM
IAR 80/81

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St.G77_Sturm
03-03-2004, 01:28 AM
Well I'd first take the TA152H first , then try out the JU87D5 and then the Bf110G2.Maybe after 2 weeks after getting used to the D5 and the Bf110G I might try the spits and the rest of the allied planes

clint-ruin
03-03-2004, 02:11 AM
Glad I mentioned the IAR8xs as one of my faves, too.

It's absolutely devastating. Feels like a combination of flying the I-16 and FW-190. Firepower on the 81a especially is a real killer for its time period, as long as you don't expect miracles from the 13.2mms.

Ju87s now have some awesome ordinance - AB1000s, SC1800s, PC1600s etc. The D5 seems to be able to hold its own if pressed, but it's just not a dogfighter - good enough for supressing AA fire or strafing light tanks, but anything more than a 1Vs1 in the air is a difficult fight.

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St.G77_Sturm
03-03-2004, 02:33 AM
Please we need some screenshots to satisfy our hunger :)
How about some screenies of the Bf110's cockpit?

clint-ruin
03-03-2004, 03:04 AM
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep1.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep2.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep3.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep4.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep5.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep6.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep7.jpg
http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/aep8.jpg

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Bull-Dog.
03-03-2004, 05:23 AM
I have always wanted to fly a Spitfire, now is my chance.
I suppose i will have to find time also for the P38, p63 and the Gladiator.

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Capt_Haddock
03-03-2004, 06:33 AM
J8A first, Cr.42 second, SPB third and then the rest.

Clint, is the game already out somewhere in the planet? Did I miss something? Thanks for the shots anyway! :)

Future-
03-03-2004, 06:35 AM
Some big bomb on that Stuka....

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AWL_Spinner
03-03-2004, 06:44 AM
Will be taking up a Spitfire Vb against some 109E and Fs. Then, probably hopping into a Bf110 and tangling with some Hurricanes.

After that, the Gladiator vs a.n.other Bi-plane in a celebration of crapness. And then maybe an RAF insignia'd Mustang III on a V1 tipping mission.

After a few days, probably wandering into Hyperlobby to see who's flying what on the early war AEP servers.

*sigh*. That'll be a happy week.

Cheers, Spinner

Mispunt
03-03-2004, 07:05 AM
The V1,
don't need a cockpit for it anyway :D

http://www.tmeier.org/LockOn_Upload/store/MisSig.jpg

Stalker58
03-03-2004, 07:30 AM
Spitfire Mk. V and then maybe Me110 with Bk3.7 tank buster if availabe..

Altitude, speed, manoeuvre and.... CRASH!