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eobet
06-05-2004, 10:40 AM
Hello!

I recently saw a Discovery Channel documentary about the Hellcat, and it in, several old fighter aces said some interesting things, which I wonder if it will be included in Pacific Fighters:

You had to land the plane "sideways", and rely totally on the guy who flagged you down (forgot the English word for him, sorry). Is this in the game?

Apparently, the Zero couldn't turn right (or was it left? It was only good at turning in one direction anyway). Is this in the game?

eobet
06-05-2004, 10:40 AM
Hello!

I recently saw a Discovery Channel documentary about the Hellcat, and it in, several old fighter aces said some interesting things, which I wonder if it will be included in Pacific Fighters:

You had to land the plane "sideways", and rely totally on the guy who flagged you down (forgot the English word for him, sorry). Is this in the game?

Apparently, the Zero couldn't turn right (or was it left? It was only good at turning in one direction anyway). Is this in the game?

IV_JG51_Razor
06-05-2004, 12:27 PM
I guess you'll just have to wait, and buy it like the rest of us, to find the answers to those questions. None of us have any idea what the F6F is going to fly like. It is supposed to be out this Fall (more likely Dec).

Razor
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eobet
06-05-2004, 01:01 PM
So... um... developers don't visit this forum? There is no information about the game?

I'm sorry, but what is this forum for then?

And I also would never buy a pig in a poke. I look hard at reviews, demos and forums in order to find out if a game is worth putting my money on or not.

heywooood
06-05-2004, 01:31 PM
the devs. do post here - but it seems everyone is very busy lately..

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Goin' fishin'

eobet
06-06-2004, 02:15 PM
I'm bumping this thread before I go to bed.

Nobody saw this documentary?

I haven't seen an LSO (Landing Signal Office, whee, finally found the correct English term) in any developer update, so I'm worried that he might be missing.

Found a nice picture too, where you can see how the plane comes in "sideways":

http://www.usd230.k12.ks.us/espictt/military%20stuff/carrier%20happylanding.jpg

badaboom.1
06-06-2004, 03:03 PM
I've heard of pilots landing the Corsair on a carrier coming in sideways because they could'nt see the LSO over the F4U'S huge nose.Never heard that about the HELLCAT.

http://img9.photobucket.com/albums/v27/badaboom/Blacksheeprab.jpg

eobet
06-07-2004, 05:04 AM
Ok, according to the documentary I saw, it was true for both the Wildcat and Hellcat as well.

Also, this thing regarding the Zero only being able to turn in one direction... I tried to Google for it, but so far only found one link which says that the Zero had greater maneuverability than the Hellcat due to it being lighter than the Hellcat (which had some funky self-healing armor I've never heard about):

http://www.pacificamilitary.com/chapters/html/japan2.htm

Art-J
06-07-2004, 08:26 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif These "funky self-sealing" tanks were common invention for all US planes (except very first versions, like P-40A, LB-30, P-38D etc.) and saved many lives of young pilots. Remember that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://server5.uploadit.org/files/Haribo-Zeke_small_3_txt.jpg

Zyzbot
06-07-2004, 03:31 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by eobet:

Also, this thing regarding the Zero only being able to turn in one direction... I tried to Google for it, but so far only found one link which says that the Zero had greater maneuverability than the Hellcat due to it being lighter than the Hellcat (which had some funky self-healing armor I've never heard about):


Here is a quote from Japanese ace Sburo sakai about turning the Zero:

"Interviewer: How is the Zero in combat?

Saburo Sakai: Good things about the Zero in combat were the responsiveness of the control stick, the tight turns it could make (to the left), the ability to climb quickly, and the reliability of the 7.7mm fixed-machine guns."

Baco-ECV56
06-07-2004, 05:01 PM
Eobet, I think you might misunderstud waht they ment by "the Zero not being able to turn to on side..." What the Torque (the efect of the propeler spinning on one direction) makes rolling to teh oposite side more dificult, but by no means imposible. So to say the Zero (every Propeler plane in fact) rolls faster to the same side the propeller turns. and slower on the oposit side. But roll is not what turns a plane arround but the diference between lift on both wings, so if you can roll the airplane you can turn. And teh faster you roll, te faster you begin to turn, and has nothing to do with turn radious or turn rate.

So the Zero probably rolled faster to one side, but in no way was unable to trun to both sides...

And it is grate that you wait for reviews and stuff, I surelly do, but PF is a continuation of FB and IL-2. so it is verry dificult that they screw up compleatlly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

On the other side, this communiti has preconceptions and misconceptions of their own so a lot of what you read here has to do with likes and dislikes, that may or may not be related to the actual facts.
In other words everything you read here is not objective. (That includes me of course he,he.)

The onlly way to know if you like a sim or not is to fly it. You can allways retur it if you don´t
like it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

But keep in mind that it will not be perfect. No sim is, but it sure will be the best thing arround. IL-2 and FB are the living prouve of it.

And your onlly choice for a(as far as I can tell) Pacific WWII sim thet even comes close to realism.

eobet
06-11-2004, 05:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zyzbot:
Saburo Sakai: Good things about the Zero in combat were the responsiveness of the control stick, the tight turns it could make (to the left), the ability to climb quickly, and the reliability of the 7.7mm fixed-machine guns."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, I might have misunderstood what they meant, by why does it say "to the left" in the above quote then? Doesn't this imply that it wasn't as good turning to the right?

|CoB|_Spectre
06-11-2004, 03:42 PM
Don't read too much into the "landing sideways" thing. The US Navy has always taught a "circling" approach to landing for the purpose of keeping the LSO in view as you approach in a smooth, continuous,leftwing-down attitude. The USAF (USAAF, previously) uses the more conventional "squared-off" approach with distinct 90-degree turns transitioning from the downwind leg, to base, to final approach phases.

Gunner_361st
06-11-2004, 04:06 PM
Test

http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1087.jpg

RAC_Pips
06-11-2004, 04:09 PM
Because of the torque effect of the Sakae engine the Zero rolled faster to the left than it did to the right. So naturally if a pilot had to turn away from an enemy plane quickly he would go left rather than right, as the turn would initiate faster in that direction.

That's not to imply that the Zero was a pig turning to the right. Just that turning (rolling) left was slightly faster than turning right.

And under 250mph the Zero could outtrun anything, including the fabled Spitfire. As a number of RAAF pilots found out in the defence of Darwin.

Over 250mhp the Zero's controls stiffened and became progressively heavier, and so required much greater physical effort on the part of the pilot to initiate any manoeuvers. That was a major reason why US pilots always tried to maintain high speed against the Zero. And it's only over 250mph that the Hellcat could outturn the Zero.

A case of fighting to your planes advantage, not the enemy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif