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AllorNothing117
04-02-2009, 10:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif 7th/8th mission of Bong campagin, I'm on 14 kills no deaths one aircraft lost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (which considering I'm a noob is good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And I'm delighted. I'm in a massive dogfight and a get hit. So I dive and fly straight home. I got 2or3 fuel leaks and black smoke from my one of my right fuel tanks (which swiftly turns to fire!). About 500 meters from the base (I kid you not) I run out of fuel. Then, about 5 meters (I kid you not!!!!) The tank (which is empty?!?!?) exploads and me and half of the unexploaded P-38 promtly plumit to the floor! Obviously I'm gutted. But why did the tank expload if I was out of fuel? I'll post screenshots if sometells me how!!!

AllorNothing117
04-02-2009, 10:26 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif 7th/8th mission of Bong campagin, I'm on 14 kills no deaths one aircraft lost http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif (which considering I'm a noob is good http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif And I'm delighted. I'm in a massive dogfight and a get hit. So I dive and fly straight home. I got 2or3 fuel leaks and black smoke from my one of my right fuel tanks (which swiftly turns to fire!). About 500 meters from the base (I kid you not) I run out of fuel. Then, about 5 meters (I kid you not!!!!) The tank (which is empty?!?!?) exploads and me and half of the unexploaded P-38 promtly plumit to the floor! Obviously I'm gutted. But why did the tank expload if I was out of fuel? I'll post screenshots if sometells me how!!!

HayateAce
04-02-2009, 10:32 AM
Being a game, I don't think it matters what the fuel status is in regards to explosions. In real life, an empty tank full of fuel vapors is highly likely to explode. Last, I haven't played offline for years, but I don't think I've ever lost a P38 wing due to a burning engine. Poor modeling, but I can fly on indefinitely with a burning engine since the pilot isn't killed by the flames.

DrHerb
04-02-2009, 10:35 AM
its the fumes of gasoline that burns irl, not the gasoline itself.

im sure the damagemodel in the game doesnt really account for empty tanks should not burn, once youre on fire... youre on fire, only way to put it out is to go fast

AllorNothing117
04-02-2009, 10:41 AM
true but i had no altitude 5m from runway. And it was me tank on fire btw. lol

na85
04-02-2009, 11:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AllorNothing117:
true but i had no altitude 5m from runway. And it was me tank on fire btw. lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As said above, an "empty tank" is really just a tank full of gasoline fumes, and it's the vapor that burns, not the liquid. So really when your tank is empty it's actually MORE likely to explode.

ElAurens
04-02-2009, 04:27 PM
Game mechanics.

You always explode in close proximity to your home airfield.

julian265
04-02-2009, 04:48 PM
Explosions and re-ignition are MUCH more likely to occur when you're slow (in game, and probably IRL) - which is one reason why they often happen on final.

However, the number of times that fuel runs out on final (after leak or fire) seems too common for me and others I have spoken to.

VW-IceFire
04-02-2009, 04:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by julian265:
However, the number of times that fuel runs out on final (after leak or fire) seems too common for me and others I have spoken to. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thats just murphy's law. I'm sure the real pilots (should they survive such a horrible thing) would have similar complaints.

Its not like Oleg programmed in:

IF player is less than 1 kilometer from runway AND has a fuel leak

THEN run out of fuel

DKoor
04-02-2009, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ElAurens:
Game mechanics.

You always explode in close proximity to your home airfield. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Daiichidoku
04-02-2009, 07:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Its not like Oleg programmed in:
IF player is less than 1 kilometer from runway AND has a fuel leak
THEN run out of fuel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

of course he didnt;

he does it in real time....he watches all the online players remotely and has special buttons to push, one for lag/pause, one for 'splosions, one for fuel exhaustion, one to remove armour plating, etc

why do you think SoW is taking so long to finish?

DKoor
04-03-2009, 03:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Its not like Oleg programmed in:
IF player is less than 1 kilometer from runway AND has a fuel leak
THEN run out of fuel </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

of course he didnt;

he does it in real time....he watches all the online players remotely and has special buttons to push, one for lag/pause, one for 'splosions, one for fuel exhaustion, one to remove armour plating, etc

why do you think SoW is taking so long to finish? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Haha... best of it all he really did have a hidden agenda vs P-40.
Remember old times when you dive your warhawk reach higher speed... then ka-boom (it was Oleg all along http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif).

Bremspropeller
04-03-2009, 03:52 AM
Talking about odds..
Has anyone of you guys ever been shot down by a tank?
We have a guy in our squad (I'm inactive now) who got shot down by tanks on a regular basis http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

joeap
04-03-2009, 05:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
Poor modeling, but I can fly on indefinitely with a burning engine since the pilot isn't killed by the flames. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not in a P-38 maybe but in a single engine fighter I have been "wounded" ie burnt during engine fires.

AllorNothing117
04-03-2009, 07:36 AM
On this subject I just flew another mission and...

I have discovered (the hard way) that the P-38 fuel gage doesn't work. Also in the Bong campaign which I absolutly 100% recomend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Why doesn't it work? It read about 60% (I started with 50%) for all the game then you get "out of fuel" and it read 0% how crap is that? What can I do to check how much fuel I have?

HayateAce
04-03-2009, 09:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HayateAce:
Poor modeling, but I can fly on indefinitely with a burning engine since the pilot isn't killed by the flames. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Not in a P-38 maybe but in a single engine fighter I have been "wounded" ie burnt during engine fires. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I think we are saying the same thing. Single engine you are crispy critter in short order. In the lightning I have flown on for quite a long time alternating between heavy smoke and full-fledged flames. Of course in real life the pilot has enough fear and sense of finality to get out.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

jamesblonde1979
04-03-2009, 03:50 PM
Well Allornothing you just learned the hard way that it is best to land a combat damaged aircraft as soon as possible.

Remeber in future to take the following steps if you get damaged.

Check your six

Assess the flyability of your aircraft

If flyable make straight for friendly territory

Gain height where and if you can

Look for the nearest alternate airfield (Pay attention during breifings, you should know where they are and a compass course to them from your target area)

Watch your fuel state like a hawk

Keep an eye out for bandits


I guess this sounds like a lot, imagine doing it for real.

If you do get to attempt a landing perform a stall test at a safe height before entering the circuit, that way you can anticipate your damaged aircraft's behaviour at approach speed and formulate a plan to survive the landing. This won't always be possible but it will save you some frustration as a damaged aircraft can do all sorts of nasty things to you.

crucislancer
04-03-2009, 04:25 PM
I don't fly the P-38 much, but I recall one offline mission where I had an engine catch fire, I shut off the engine, opened the rads and dove, and the fire went out. A few minutes later the fire came back. So, I dove again. I did this all the way back to base, and landed. I'm not sure if it was modeled right, or what my fuel state was, but I had a good time trying to get back to base in one piece.

darkhorizon1
04-03-2009, 09:03 PM
The game doesn't model much there...

Basically fuel tank/engine is hit to a certain point it can now catch fire and will hap hazardly on and off burn eventually resulting in explosion and loss of wing or total destruction of aircraft. Period.

B-17s for example will always lose a wing eventually. Even if it lands safely and is sitting on the ramp.

Hopefully BoB will fix this, a fuel cutoff switch will be nice which cuts of fuel to the engine and makes it almost (keyword being ALMOST) impossible for for the engine to again catch fire since the fuel is what is burning.

A fuel tank fire? Okay you're pretty screwed there, and yes it is frustrating. I always have this problem when flying the Me-262 since even if you shut off the bad engine and dive after the fire going out it will restart and the wing will break off...

Anybody know if theres a mod that addresses this issue?

Treetop64
04-03-2009, 09:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AllorNothing117:
But why did the tank expload if I was out of fuel? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fuel vapors present a more dangerous potential to explosions than the liquid fuel itself. The fuel is vaporized in the combustion chamber before being ignited.

Tully__
04-03-2009, 09:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AllorNothing117:
On this subject I just flew another mission and...

I have discovered (the hard way) that the P-38 fuel gage doesn't work. Also in the Bong campaign which I absolutly 100% recomend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Why doesn't it work? It read about 60% (I started with 50%) for all the game then you get "out of fuel" and it read 0% how crap is that? What can I do to check how much fuel I have? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
None of the fuel guages work quite like you'd expect. In all aircraft in the game, the guage only reads up to 300 litres (very approximately 80 US gallons). If you're carrying more fuel than that, it wont move until your fuel load reaches that level. When your fuel reaches that level, the guage will start going down rather quickly, especially if you're leaking fuel as well.

Also, you may be looking at the wrong guage. This one:
http://mywebsite.bigpond.com/dav2ken/grab0000.jpg
is fuel pressure, not fuel level. It will show the reading here as long as the fuel pump is working and there's fuel in the tank. If my reading of the P-38 instruments is correct, the fuel level guage is over on the left edge of the control panel with separate guages for L/R and F/R tanks.

Ritter_Cuda
04-03-2009, 11:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tully__:
If my reading of the P-38 instruments is correct, the fuel level guage is over on the left edge of the control panel with separate guages for L/R and F/R tanks. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
correct Tully

AllorNothing117
04-04-2009, 06:10 AM
I see... Thanks for clearing that up guys! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jamesblonde1979
04-04-2009, 07:01 AM
In some aircraft the reading your guage gives will alternate depending on your aircraft's attitude.

(I mean where it is pointing vertically and not how it interracts with other aircraft at the bar on a Saturday night)