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LEBillfish
10-29-2006, 10:33 AM
Hi All;

I do not recall if 4.08, the post add-on patch mentioned was going to be built by an outsource group or the Maddox Games core group, in either case however I'd like to make a plea for last chance switch on/off (just requiring simple yes or no type code changes) corrections to the Japanese Army fighters if not included in 4.06/7, yet also a simple addition that is sorely lacking....

That being the air-air anti-bomber bombs the Japanese used as the more I look into them the more common I discover they were......

I say simple in that it would take very little to make these from some tests that have been run by Hanglands on the general forum.....Meaning, you take a German AB or similar cluster bomb, change the cosmetic shape only if you want and bomblet force, and have it spread at say a set 100-200m after drop.

Now that's the simple hedge.....Also something that could be applied to other sorely missing Japanese bombs being their cluster type very similar to an AB.

The more accurate method to make a white phosphorous incindiary type cluster bomb, and really get specific about it.

If whatever group would be interested in this simple add on, please let me know and I'll gather up all the documentation I have and can find on them.......It is a very sorely needed couple of types of ordinance for a very ordinance lacking National grouping of aircraft.

Thanks for your attention....

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LEBillfish
10-29-2006, 10:33 AM
Hi All;

I do not recall if 4.08, the post add-on patch mentioned was going to be built by an outsource group or the Maddox Games core group, in either case however I'd like to make a plea for last chance switch on/off (just requiring simple yes or no type code changes) corrections to the Japanese Army fighters if not included in 4.06/7, yet also a simple addition that is sorely lacking....

That being the air-air anti-bomber bombs the Japanese used as the more I look into them the more common I discover they were......

I say simple in that it would take very little to make these from some tests that have been run by Hanglands on the general forum.....Meaning, you take a German AB or similar cluster bomb, change the cosmetic shape only if you want and bomblet force, and have it spread at say a set 100-200m after drop.

Now that's the simple hedge.....Also something that could be applied to other sorely missing Japanese bombs being their cluster type very similar to an AB.

The more accurate method to make a white phosphorous incindiary type cluster bomb, and really get specific about it.

If whatever group would be interested in this simple add on, please let me know and I'll gather up all the documentation I have and can find on them.......It is a very sorely needed couple of types of ordinance for a very ordinance lacking National grouping of aircraft.

Thanks for your attention....

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TgD Thunderbolt56
10-30-2006, 07:53 AM
THAT would be a nice addition indeed. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif


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joeap
10-30-2006, 10:37 AM
Yes from me.

Tooz_69GIAP
10-30-2006, 12:21 PM
Don't the A6M7s (?) carry "aerial bombs" designed specifically for the anti-bomber role? Or are you thinking of something else?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-30-2006, 12:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Don't the A6M7s (?) carry "aerial bombs" designed specifically for the anti-bomber role? Or are you thinking of something else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

she is thinking about "real" bombs, filled with incendiary stuff. released above enemy bomber formations - not the Rocket bombs of the A6M7s.
anyway it would be fantastic if this Rocketbombs would harm at least soft groundtargets !
at the moment they even dont harm a fuel truck !!

jagdmailer
10-30-2006, 05:29 PM
Sounds good.

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VW-IceFire
10-30-2006, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Don't the A6M7s (?) carry "aerial bombs" designed specifically for the anti-bomber role? Or are you thinking of something else? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah they do have those but these are different. They would fly along above the bomber formation and drop these bombers (not rocket bombs - just regular bombs really) which would then scatter large amounts of explosives into the bomber formation.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-30-2006, 06:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
Hi All;

I do not recall if 4.08, the post add-on patch mentioned was going to be built by an outsource group or the Maddox Games core group, in either case however I'd like to make a plea for last chance switch on/off (just requiring simple yes or no type code changes) corrections to the Japanese Army fighters if not included in 4.06/7, yet also a simple addition that is sorely lacking....

That being the air-air anti-bomber bombs the Japanese used as the more I look into them the more common I discover they were......

I say simple in that it would take very little to make these from some tests that have been run by Hanglands on the general forum.....Meaning, you take a German AB or similar cluster bomb, change the cosmetic shape only if you want and bomblet force, and have it spread at say a set 100-200m after drop.

Now that's the simple hedge.....Also something that could be applied to other sorely missing Japanese bombs being their cluster type very similar to an AB.

The more accurate method to make a white phosphorous incindiary type cluster bomb, and really get specific about it.

If whatever group would be interested in this simple add on, please let me know and I'll gather up all the documentation I have and can find on them.......It is a very sorely needed couple of types of ordinance for a very ordinance lacking National grouping of aircraft.

Thanks for your attention....

K2 / Billfish / Ktu*78th*Sentai </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Did you clear this request with A.K.Davis before posting? If not, good luck!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-30-2006, 07:07 PM
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LEBillfish
10-30-2006, 07:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
Did you clear this request with A.K.Davis before posting? If not, good luck! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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AKA_TAGERT
10-30-2006, 09:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
What's an A.K.Davis? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>God I wish I knew!<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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F19_Olli72
11-05-2006, 07:17 AM
In "B-29 hunters of the JAAF" theres a cross-section drawing of a 'JAAF 50 kg aerial burst bomb' which consisted of 36 x 0.4 kg bombs in a breakaway cannister.

Does not go into specifics what planes carried them besides Ki-46, but mentions both the army and navy airforce used them.

Chances of getting them though is about 0% i think. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEBillfish
11-05-2006, 09:34 AM
As to the planes, if it could carry bombs and were used in anti-bomber intercepts they used them from even pre-NewGuinea on.....I have seen accounts back to even the late 30's, all throughout the war.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/arielbomb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/Phosphorousbomb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/Phosphorous_Bomb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/airbomb.jpg

Will add to this post here is just what I have up atm<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
11-05-2006, 10:15 AM
If the japanese get that, I want Kenney cocktails, and napalm cluster bombs for most USAAF bombers. The former for all USAAF bombers except maybe the B-17D, and he latter for all the later war heavies.

tater

LEBillfish
11-05-2006, 10:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
If the japanese get that, I want Kenney cocktails, and napalm cluster bombs for most USAAF bombers. The former for all USAAF bombers except maybe the B-17D, and he latter for all the later war heavies.

tater </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

We're talking a very different beast though here, phosphorous "Kenny Cocktails" and napalm were ground attack weapons....The Japanese having some awesome cluster phosphorous bombs as well for ground attack........What I mostly seek here are an air to air attack weapon....The ground attack weapons a plus.

Japanese in the sim are very limited as to choices....More so, their weapons/fuel drop tank drops from fighters should be individual as well as in pairs (meaning I can drop one or the other or both).....As otherwise they turn into one target overkill wonders.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Tater-SW-
11-05-2006, 12:25 PM
The ground attack weapons were used quite a bit, and with great success.

The aerial bombs were pretty ineffective. If they were going to go to the trouble of making a totally new ord type (wily pete), they might as well make the ground atatck version that was actually used with success.

The problem is that a principal function of it was smoke generation to blind AAA gunners. The AI in game would shoot right through it.

tater

JamesBlonde888
11-06-2006, 06:05 PM
I think Heinz Knocke mentions these in his book too. His staffel allegedly started this in the west.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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vocatx
11-08-2006, 08:33 PM
Mike Kawato mentions using these in Rabaul, dropping them from his Zero. If I recall, he said they were very ineffective. I would imagine that it was extremely difficult to know exactly what altitude to set the fuse at before take-off.

That said, I think Billfish's request would be a nice addition to the arsenal for the reasons she already mentioned.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Nimits
11-08-2006, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Japanese in the sim are very limited as to choices....More so, their weapons/fuel drop tank drops from fighters should be individual as well as in pairs (meaning I can drop one or the other or both).....As otherwise they turn into one target overkill wonders. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good luck with that. The ordanance options for all PTO aircraft (US and IJ), and to a lesser extent, for all aircraft in the sim, are screwed up. Though I'm curious; is it actually possible to get a bomb to airburst in the game?

The least they could do is change 3x500lb options on the SBDs to 1x500lb/2x250lb. They don't even have to simulate a new weapon or add a hardpoint, just rearange the ones they have. But have they done that . . .?

Treetop64
11-11-2006, 10:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
As to the planes, if it could carry bombs and were used in anti-bomber intercepts they used them from even pre-NewGuinea on.....I have seen accounts back to even the late 30's, all throughout the war.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/arielbomb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/Phosphorousbomb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/Phosphorous_Bomb.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v707/Kaytoo/IL2/airbomb.jpg

Will add to this post here is just what I have up atm </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bro, I don't see any point or connection between airburst bombs and fat albino porcupines.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-25-2006, 03:49 PM
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RamsteinUSA
12-01-2006, 11:43 AM
Many of us USA pilots are still in shock and dismay how Oleg and all those involved could have not fix the blunder in the US aircraft. I cannot 'rant' becuase some people ar elss than happy when I start showing my anger.. , or call it hight level pissedness....

Asking ht epowers that be to Please. Please, show some repsect for the US pilots and ix the FM/DM problems.

We also have backing with information on the problems and fixed the problems from a actual pilot who flew WWII planes and worked as anengineer after leaving the Navy.

1.08 is the last chance to right serious wrongs. Many of us just get depressed when when love to fly the sim and time and time again fly deeply flawed US acraft that can be fixed if Oleg and his company just repsected us a bit and fixed those problems. At meeet us half -way. We asked this long before 4.05 and 4.08 will finish it off the Simulation journals will forever show this as history so this problem cuts both ways.
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Punkfriday
12-03-2006, 08:50 PM
luft whiner. quit multiposting and let it go.

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don't think we don't notice these things...

i believe that the US aircraft are fine the way they are. they are not superplanes or anything. virtually nothing save for the P-51 and B-29 was even flown for its original design purpose. at the beginning of WW2 the USAF was a 5th rate air force. the B-17 and P-40 were peacetime coastal patrol craft, not built to fight in a multi year war on the other side of the globe. so if you want UFOs go play crimson skies or something.
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12-04-2006, 04:25 AM
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RamsteinUSA
12-04-2006, 01:03 PM
At this time there is a push on with the flight model data being sent to Oleg, to persuade him to fix these egregious errors. Again. For at least 2 US planes. A ex Navy Hellcat pilot and engineer is helping in this data being compilied. So I will not compromise this push by getting these people to post it in this forum. It is going through direct channels. I am jumping up and down.. happy. Well, atually I can't jump. having disabled body and all... But I am kinda freaking out seeing some hope.. Stay tuned...

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Monguse
12-04-2006, 10:11 PM
I fully agree with you RamsteinUSA

Now we find ourselves at the proverbial eleventh hour and we still wait for a historical flight model for both axis and allied aircraft before this series comes to a full close. I for one would welcome any "fixes" to fulfill a historical responsibility for a well done series.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KIMURA
12-06-2006, 01:29 PM
Instead of implement some new shicky-micky stuff you'll never use online it would be fine fixing some things after 4.07.

The F4U-1D fuel bug still exists.
The new N1K-2-J Ko ammo loadout should be fixed. 6 seconds of firing time is too less the outboard 200rpg.
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12-09-2006, 07:11 PM
I guess everyone forgot about the AI...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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XPCorba
12-12-2006, 02:23 PM
Hello,

Just hope, if possible for next pacth

possible to get flyable morane ms 406, ms 410 and the B5N2 (kate) (japan) with torpedo,
TBM grunman torpedo, all are AI.

But is sure, i must take ticket after many
request.

Many Thanks

Regard

JG52Karaya-X
12-12-2006, 02:52 PM
There will be new flyables in 4.08, but nobody's certain as to what they are, however I'm pretty sure they are not MS406/407 or torpedo planes such as the B5N and co. as nobody had been working for the cockpit.

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PS: With 200+flyable already on 4.07 I guess the last thing we need are even more flyables...

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