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ednew
10-06-2004, 11:43 AM
Still downloading it but it looks interesting so here are a few links.

Discussion at sim hq
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=002048

download demo here, its the fastest by far
http://files.filefront.com/3638529;/pub2/Tank%20T72%20Balkans%20in%20Fire/Official%20Demos

and go here for the english translation of user manual
http://www.electronic-panzer-warfare.de/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=14

If I get the time I'll try to play it and post back.

ELEM
10-06-2004, 01:23 PM
D/L the demo now, thanks for the heads up.

Zen--
10-06-2004, 01:39 PM
Same here and also hosting it for download HERE (http://209.163.147.67/zen/files/zen/t72/t72demo.exe)

Thanks for the headsup!

crazyivan1970
10-06-2004, 01:56 PM
Dang thing wont start lol... any luck with it?

Zen--
10-06-2004, 02:03 PM
T72's always had a problem starting Ivan http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

crazyivan1970
10-06-2004, 02:05 PM
Were you able to play it? Maybe me install is corrupted...who knows lol

lil_labbit
10-06-2004, 02:14 PM
D/L now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Thanks for the links - it looks great...

crazyivan1970
10-06-2004, 02:39 PM
Did anyone got to start? I`m in the DOS land now, giving it everything i`v got and nada LOL

Korolov
10-06-2004, 02:56 PM
I got it to run fine, but gonna have to get the translator and tweak some settings... And figure out controls!

Zen--
10-06-2004, 03:16 PM
I haven't tried it yet, it's downloaded but I haven't launched it. I'll try later tonight probably.

lil_labbit
10-06-2004, 03:24 PM
Does not work here either - gives a core.exe error http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

I downloaded the file "t72_beta_demo.exe" 535.289.116 bytes.

It did run the movie when I executed start.bat from WindowsXP, then screen went black and it crashed giving an error...

I'm now downloading from Zen's link - that file seems bigger... and has another name...

LEXX_Luthor
10-06-2004, 03:24 PM
Looks interesting. And the sinhq discussion says the Demo is already old...and the Devs want to make WW2 tank sim.

lil_labbit
10-06-2004, 03:33 PM
Stopped the download - too slow http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif would take 8 hours - not in the mood for it now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Maj_Death
10-06-2004, 03:41 PM
I can't even find an executable for the program http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif.

Korolov
10-06-2004, 03:42 PM
"start.bat" MD

crazyivan1970
10-06-2004, 03:44 PM
I`m starting to wonder if dx 9c causes problems with startup

Maj_Death
10-06-2004, 04:14 PM
I tried all the *.bat files, they didn't do anything except open the dos prompt and die.

crazyivan1970
10-06-2004, 04:17 PM
same here MD... what version of DX do you have

Maj_Death
10-06-2004, 04:23 PM
9b I think

ednew
10-06-2004, 07:14 PM
****, was in and running, but I hit escape to read the manual (in english) and I could not start it again.
Intro movie is great, if that is what the graphics in sim are like I WANT to play this. If any one gets it figured PLEASE post back.

Zen--
10-06-2004, 07:25 PM
I have dx9b also and the game launches ok, within a minute or two after the game loads it crashes my PC and reboots it.

But dang, it looks GOOD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

lil_labbit
10-06-2004, 08:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen--:
I have dx9b also and the game launches ok, within a minute or two after the game loads it crashes my PC and reboots it.

But dang, it looks GOOD http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The movie did anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

ednew
10-06-2004, 11:04 PM
Yeah the movie looks better than the game play, but I haven't figured out how or if ya can improve the ingame graphics. Managed to drive the tank around and enable the site/range mode, didn't fire the weapons though. I'll try to play around with it over the next few days, it would be alot easier if it was in english.

lil_labbit
10-06-2004, 11:06 PM
So why doesn't it play with us?
It's not DirectX - I got 9.0 installed...
Running under WinXP 1GByte RAM

I'm real p!ssed I don't have WinMe running anymore now... (just on a Virtual PC but that won't work...)

Korolov
10-06-2004, 11:16 PM
ednew - go to the second menu entry (looks like "Hactponkn"), then "BNAEO", then the three entries below screen resolution and color depth, change to (using the right side arrows) "Nonb3OBaTeNR". That should give you max detail.

ednew
10-07-2004, 12:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
ednew - go to the second menu entry (looks like "Hactponkn"), then "BNAEO", then the three entries below screen resolution and color depth, change to (using the right side arrows) "Nonb3OBaTeNR". That should give you max detail. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Excellent, thank you Korolov.
lil_labbit, I open the folder it installed to, click on the dos batch file that says START, let the movie start and hit enter, than ya get a dark screen with some ???? on it that lasts for about 15 or 20 seconds, than the menu comes up.

lil_labbit
10-07-2004, 12:40 AM
Yes
Black screen lasts for about 20 secs then it gives an error in core.exe and asks for me to feedback to the makers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-07-2004, 03:38 AM
Dang how did I miss this one http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif ooh well something to try the weekend.

Teufel_Eldritch
10-07-2004, 06:38 AM
Cool. Im interested. Its been a long time since I messed around with some tanks.

ELEM
10-07-2004, 12:43 PM
I've managed to start and drive a T-34-85 but didn't get far before I was hit by something and brewed up. Great fun! working well but it's a steep learning curve without knowing all the controls and understanding Russian. Surely we have some nice Russian speaking members here who could write up a guide! I hope it's going to be made available in English. It shows real promise.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-07-2004, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ednew:

and go here for the english translation of user manual
http://www.electronic-panzer-warfare.de/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=14

If I get the time I'll try to play it and post back. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heavy_Weather
10-07-2004, 01:02 PM
wow thats cool http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

zugfuhrer
10-07-2004, 01:37 PM
I find it disgusting to make and play a sim about the worst murder of civilians since WWII.
I saw on film, the M-84 the Yugoslavian version of T-72 and other tanks, manned by drunken "militia". I wont call them soldiers, shelling civilian houses from hilltops.
I was there experienced the frustration of the civilians.
Make a armoured sim about some real tank battles, Chinese farm at the Suez-channel, or the Golan Heights from the October war instead.
It was a battle between real armies not undisciplined militia shelling civilians.

lil_labbit
10-07-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
I find it disgusting to make and play a sim about the worst murder of civilians since WWII.
I saw on film, the M-84 the Yugoslavian version of T-72 and other tanks, manned by drunken "militia". I wont call them soldiers, shelling civilian houses from hilltops.
I was there experienced the frustration of the civilians.
Make a armoured sim about some real tank battles, Chinese farm at the Suez-channel, or the Golan Heights from the October war instead.
It was a battle between real armies not undisciplined militia shelling civilians. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HUH?

Ever heard of London, Dresden, Nagasaki, Hiroshima? - If you realy mean this better throw FB in the garbage bin fast...

THIS IS NOT THE REAL THING
They are GAMES ! (You DO know what a game is don't you)...

Geez

crazyivan1970
10-07-2004, 02:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by zugfuhrer:
I find it disgusting to make and play a sim about the worst murder of civilians since WWII.
I saw on film, the M-84 the Yugoslavian version of T-72 and other tanks, manned by drunken "militia". I wont call them soldiers, shelling civilian houses from hilltops.
I was there experienced the frustration of the civilians.
Make a armoured sim about some real tank battles, Chinese farm at the Suez-channel, or the Golan Heights from the October war instead.
It was a battle between real armies not undisciplined militia shelling civilians. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How`s WW2 was different? I`m confused a bit here. It`s ok to drive tanks in ww2 theater, where civilians suffered by FAR greater losses... and not ok in this tank sim.

Daiichidoku
10-07-2004, 02:39 PM
Ivan, he did say SINCE WWII, he didnt compare it TO WWII...

But yea, civilians have always been a "legit" tgt, at least since WWI...

He may as well protest the various "age of empire" games, as well...those romans werent always very fair to "cicilians" either, lol

Korolov
10-07-2004, 03:55 PM
On the T-34 mission - follow the road and watch your RPMs. Generally you can shift to a higher gear if RPMs are real high and go faster. Following the road and winding around a hill, you'll eventually run into a lone infantryman with a RPG of some sort. He's not a very good shot but he can get lucky - so first thing, before you reach the hill, is to hit F6 and make sure the main gun is loaded. The lower right hand light will turn on when the main gun is loaded - use R to reload and B & N to select shell type.

When you start seeing smoke from the RPG flying by, immediately stop the tank (yes, stop), switch to gunner view, and sight that guy up - use Q to fire the machine gun and hopefully dispatch him before he gets a lucky shot.

After that, turn towards the now dead infantry man and drive in that direction - to the right should be a hill, go over to it and mount on it. Stop and search in the valley to the right with the gunner view, where you should see a Sherman eventually. Sight him up, and use the spacebar to fire the main gun. It may take several shots to bring him down.

TX-EcoDragon
10-07-2004, 07:24 PM
It seems to work OK for me. . other than that it's all in Russian and I can't make heads or tails of it. . .

LEXX_Luthor
10-07-2004, 10:13 PM
bleh never mind.

I am having trouble with power supply or hard drive. Can't download. Will wait for CD.

zugfuhrer
10-08-2004, 02:09 AM
There is a great difference, according to the law.
A "militia" isnt a combattant, he is mostly not under a commanding officer, he is not enlinsted, he is not organized in a regular organisation.

Thats was and is a great difference. To play violations of civil rights.

Perhaps there will a game that the goal is to abuse childrens and rape women to?

Take a good look at the simplified 8 rules of conduct for a combattant. (excuse my bad translations )

1. Fight only combattants and targets of military significance.
2. Dont inflict more damage than necesarry.
3. Dont fight surrendering enemies
4. Disarm prisoners and threat them good.
5. Take care of wounded prisoners as if they where your own soldiers.
6. Respect and protect civilians
7. Respect humanitary aiding personals like red cross or red halfmoon
8. Act against violations of theese rules.

It can be considered as rubish, in war and love is everything permitted.
Many postwar syndroms is because soldiers have violated rules of conduct.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
10-08-2004, 02:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif

Ok mate just chill out for ten minits will yah ?

Nobody is glorifying any of the atrocities commited in any war. Fankly there are a million games out there that are offensive to one nationality or another for various reasons unfortunately this one has apparently touched on one your sensative about.

Well were sorry about that but I suggest you contact the developer with your problem and dont preach at us about the rights and wrongs of war.

This thread was simply intended to inform those that are interested of a new simulator that covers a subject that has of late been under-represented i.e TANK SIMULATION there is no political agenda here other than the one you have brought into the discussion yourself.


If your gona spark off like this then I suggest you stick to driving trains.

IBTL