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Oso2323
02-04-2004, 09:41 PM
I've been reading Pierre Clostermann's The Big Show. He describes a run in he had with a high-flying Me109 reconaissance fighter in February 1944, 40,000 ft. over Scapa Flow: "To our surprise it was a Me109G equipped with two fat auxillary tanks under the wings. He shone like a newly minted jewel and he was camouflaged pale grey above and sky blue below. He had no nationality marks."

I've never seen such a thing. Does anyone have any ideas - or better yet a picture? Could the dual tanks have been a case of "long range-itis?" The crosses could have been white.

Clostermann was flying the rare Spitfire VII btw.

Oso2323
02-04-2004, 09:41 PM
I've been reading Pierre Clostermann's The Big Show. He describes a run in he had with a high-flying Me109 reconaissance fighter in February 1944, 40,000 ft. over Scapa Flow: "To our surprise it was a Me109G equipped with two fat auxillary tanks under the wings. He shone like a newly minted jewel and he was camouflaged pale grey above and sky blue below. He had no nationality marks."

I've never seen such a thing. Does anyone have any ideas - or better yet a picture? Could the dual tanks have been a case of "long range-itis?" The crosses could have been white.

Clostermann was flying the rare Spitfire VII btw.

LeadSpitter_
02-04-2004, 11:32 PM
the 109 g2/r4 carried 2 wing droptanks its also had nitrous injection boost

Bf 109G (Gustav)

Modelling comments: The 'G incorporated the following changes from the 'F:
* Larger tailwheel (non-retractable, tailwheel well
faired over)
* Larger main wheels with different tread pattern, with
bulged fairing in wing top to accomodate larger main wheels
(G3 onwards except G4)
* Slightly larger supercharger intake scoop.
* Later 'Gs incorporated cowl bulges.
* Canopy side windows have vertical brace in middle of
panel, and the elimination of the lower quarter-lights
(i.e., the small triangular windows below the windscreen).
This is in aid of cabin pressurization.
* Pilot's head armour is bulkier, and more "wrap-around".
This is in aid of cabin pressurization.
* Addition of a pair of small scoops behind propellor hub
on both sides of fuselage for engine direct cooling.
* Late 'G-5 was the first to incorporate "Galland"
canopy, which wasn't standard until the G-14.
* Upper cowling is recontoured to provide a virtually
unbroken curve from spinner to fwd. decking.
* Upper cowling on 'G5 and later incorporated bulges for
the breech of the Mg 131 machine guns.
* Enlarged oil cooler

Standard Modifications
----------------------
The following tables list the various field and factory modifications
applied to the Gustav. Specific type entries incorporating these
modifications have been simplified to save space--consult the base
(sub)type for specifications and tables 3 & 4 for modifications. Other
modifications as noted in the entry.

Table 3. R"=08usts"=08atz (/R) Modifications1 (Bf 109G-1 through Bf 109G-5)
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/R1 Addition of ETC 250 ventral rack for SC 250 bomb (and
2 300 l underwing drop tanks?)
/R2 Addition of ETC 50/VIIId ventral rack for 1 SC 250
bomb or 4 SC 50 bombs
/R3 Addition of (ETC 250?) ventral rack for 300 l drop
tank
/R4 Photo reconnaisance mod. Addition of Rb 50/30
vertical camera aft of cockpit and 2 300 l drop tanks
on wing and deletion of MG 151/20 and GM 1 nitrous
oxide injectant system
/R5 Addition of 2 MK 108 in underwing gondolas
/R6 Addition of 2 MG 151 in underwing gondolas
/R7 Addition of D/F equipment inside aft fuselage behind
cockpit, D/F loop on fuselage top aft of antenna
mast. (D/F loop to facilitate locating the aircraft
in poor weather, poor visibility, or after a crash.
/Trop Sand filter in front of supercharger intake plus
addition of desert survival kit (carbine, food,
water, signal equip., etc.)

Table 4. Umr"=08ust-Baus"=08atze (/U) Modifications2 (Bf 109G series and la=
ter)
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/U2 Wooden tailplane with larger trim tab.
/U3 MW 50 methanol-water injectant.
/U4 Centreline MK 151/20 replaced with MK 108 short
barrelled 30mm cannon.

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Zyzbot
02-05-2004, 07:53 AM
Perhaps it was a 109G-8. That was a recon model which was introduced in late 1943.

Franzen
02-05-2004, 09:29 AM
Leadspitter always amazes me,........and scares me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oso2323
02-05-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
the 109 g2/r4 carried 2 wing droptanks its also had nitrous injection boost
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Would you happen to have any pictures Leadspitter? BTW, wouldn't it be great if we could somehow configure our FB 109's to reconaissance versions? I don't have a lot of computing power so hitting recon planes rather than stacks of bombers is more my thing.

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Cheers.

SkyChimp
02-05-2004, 06:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oso2323:
Name that Gustav variant.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bob.

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Oso2323
02-05-2004, 09:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:

Bob.

_Regards,_
_SkyChimp_
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you, SkyChimp.

Ba-dum!