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LeadSpitter_
01-17-2005, 08:29 AM
I just wanted to say great game in warclouds sunday night. 310bg and their 6 b25s was fun to escort. Also jv44kirs great fights on blue and exos thx for winging up and many others great flying first time I seen alot of people above 5000-6000m in a long time in that server.

Dizz_310th
01-17-2005, 09:07 AM
On behalf of the 380thVBG (310th), I want to thank all those fighter pilots that helped escort us last night. It was a lot of fun, and we owe you guys a VB (virtual beer)! In particular, there was one P-63 pilot that may have single handedly saved the whole flight. Sorry, I wasn't able to catch his name, but a big thanks anyway. The 310th/380th plans on doing more of these concentrated bombing nights, so we'll see you out there! S!

LeadSpitter_
01-17-2005, 09:18 AM
I was with him and got 2 of them a couple of times times I seen the p63 guy your talking about save the bombers while the 190s were firing. It usually takes 2 or more passes with .50 to shoot down a 190 and ta152s its very hard to protect the bombers that explode in a 1 sec burst from the them. Even the spit the 190s take some hardcore damage but the p63 cannon can kill them very quickly but its extremely difficult to get hits with the 63s cannon same with p39 compaired to the aim of german 20mm and 108 cannon. Still I had a great time and flew on both sides red and blue who ever had less players.

I think the p63 was one of the 401cdn or 402cdn guys I cant remember his name tho but did see massive complaining about the p63 being uber when he saved you guys from 2-3 in the process of firing on the bomber formation of 6. yet they are in ta152s which i think is funny to call someone a noob for flying a p63 when in the ta262 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regaurdless it was the most fun I had in warclouds in a longtime. I usually been flying greatergreen lately which is another great server I just wish they would take off map icons. The game is a completely different story when you have to navigate.

Dizz_310th
01-17-2005, 09:33 AM
We started with 9 B25's in that jump and only lost one to blue fighters. You guys did good!!! Just know, a collective cheer would go up every time you guys took out a fighter! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It was indeed great fun.

veauger
01-17-2005, 02:06 PM
Yes, all was going quite well on that run until SparX swooped down with his mighty Fw190 and made a scrap heap out of my 25 as I was parking...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

We'll be doing it again next Sunday at 8pm EST on one of the big servers -- we could really use all the fighter escort we can get!

As to that P63 pilot and his uber plane (I thought it was :FI:Keppoch) -- I dont care how he did it, but he did, and right in the nick of time too, that 190 was a weeeee bit too close for comfort http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
01-17-2005, 02:13 PM
Yes you guys were very lucky that P63 came in when he did http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I seen him when i was approaching, but he was smoking pretty badly, didnt think he would be a problem. But alas i was wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I had three of those B25s sized up for some MK108 rounds right when he shot me up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Wont happen next time.

S~

SPaRX

Diablo310th
01-17-2005, 02:39 PM
I'm not a bomber pilot but I had a great time flying teh 25 last night. A big thanks to all who flew support for us during that run. @Sparx.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif ya missed me. As Dizz said..a big cheer went up everytime our escorts brought down a blue fighter.

@Rall...dang on that last run i think you took out teh entire B-25 flight. Good shooting.

Gibbage1
01-17-2005, 06:01 PM
Man. Im sad that I missed out on that action! Im both a good B-25 pilot and a good P-63 pilot! The P-63 is a great aircraft. Far from uber, but VERY deadly in the hands of someone skilled in the ways of the 37MM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ya. The blues have no right to whine about the P-63 if they are flying Ta-152's. More P-63's were built and served then Ta's.

veauger
01-17-2005, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Man. Im sad that I missed out on that action! Im both a good B-25 pilot and a good P-63 pilot! The P-63 is a great aircraft. Far from uber, but VERY deadly in the hands of someone skilled in the ways of the 37MM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ya. The blues have no right to whine about the P-63 if they are flying Ta-152's. More P-63's were built and served then Ta's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, if you're on HL this Sunday at 8EST, just look for the 380th people in the list -- you are more than welcome to fly escort :]

You can drop us a line at www.310thvfs.com (http://www.310thvfs.com) as well.

LeadSpitter_
01-18-2005, 01:37 AM
yeah gibbage where have you been long time no see.

get me you and locust to stick together in p38s and see who gets deathkicked first http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh yeah sparx can you add the 190a8 in place of the a9 or f8. Its much more manueverable now then the a9 and f8 and does the same speed.

I also wouldnt mind seeing the ta152 and p63 taken out for all 109g6 varients due to limited plane types to reduce aircraft spawn type lag but im sure many would be against it other would enjoy it.

Also a couple things i seen others say that I thought would be a good idea is having the same maps you have now but cycle them 1 british vs german cycle then 1 us vs german cycle of same maps. Im not sure if the would increase the dedicated server load too much tho. Just some suggestions.

WOLFMondo
01-18-2005, 01:40 AM
Not many people use the F8 so swap that over with the A8.

Sounds like I missed some B25 fun. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

FatBoyHK
01-18-2005, 03:39 AM
pls announce your next bombing sorties here, if my schedule can match yours, I will be your escort all night long!

9 b25s.... swwwweet!!!

Capt.LoneRanger
01-18-2005, 04:05 AM
Warclouds is definately one of the best servers. Good missions and settings, attracting nice pilots, with good attitude, willing to team up and fight together. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AWL_Spinner
01-18-2005, 08:41 AM
Flying on Warclouds has been a pleasure for bomber pilots recently. Always nice to have maps with decent ground objectives and as said above, great to see so many taking the fight up high.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-18-2005, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AWL_Spinner:
..Always nice to have maps with decent ground objectives and as said above, great to see so many taking the fight up high. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. One thing that we've done to improve the #'s of bomber pilots and cooperation on our server has been to airstart some of the bombers on certain maps. That long arduous crawl to 2.5k in a TB3 is moot now thus more peeps flying them.

The newer mediums are faster but still benefit from airstarts if the bases are too close together to allow decent altitude to be achieved before closure.

TB

notgoodknight
01-18-2005, 10:01 AM
The general consensus is that warclouds is the best server with the best admin team. There is very little room for improvement, one being statistics and the removal of a few "marathon maps." But man it is really hard to improve upon perfection.

WUAF_Badsight
01-18-2005, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The P-63 is a great aircraft. Far from uber, but VERY deadly in the hands of someone skilled in the ways of the 37MM http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Ya. The blues have no right to whine about the P-63 if they are flying Ta-152's. More P-63's were built and served then Ta's. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
i think its more to do with its DM rather than the way it performs

with 1800 Hp , its supposed to be fast as

WOLFMondo
01-18-2005, 11:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by notgoodknight:
The general consensus is that warclouds is the best server with the best admin team. There is very little room for improvement, one being statistics and the removal of a few "marathon maps." But man it is really hard to improve upon perfection. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i like the marathon maps, when you like to take '47's up up and up even more for a spin you need long maps.

FatBoyHK
01-18-2005, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by notgoodknight:
There is very little room for improvement, one being statistics and the removal of a few "marathon maps." <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Statistic is the the final step toward perfection! I fly on WC exclusively, and I really want to have a Sig similar to Thunderbolt56, it is soooooo cool!

but instead of removing those big map, I suggest removing those small map, then we can have less treetop fight and more HiAlt fight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

veauger
01-18-2005, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
pls announce your next bombing sorties here, if my schedule can match yours, I will be your escort all night long!

9 b25s.... swwwweet!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Read a bit farther up in the thread and you'll know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
01-18-2005, 08:27 PM
Well its nice to see you all are enjoying the server. Wouldnt be worth the effort if people didnt have fun. I just want to thank all the guys that play on the servers. We put maintain the server, but its the players that make if fun. There's a great bunch of pilots there day in and day out.

As for the stats. We, or should I say I, am on the fence on this one. There are only two scripting apps out there that gather stats currently and put them to a database. IL2 Server commander and FB Daemon. We tried IL2 SC, but it just didnt work out well. Its still early in its development so time may tell a differnt story. So we are back working with FBD. FBD has be good to us, and Sammie and Lunix are very dedicated to making it better. When you need something they try their best to get it done. I S~ them for that. But they also have to work withing the constraints of the games. Some problems i have seen make me wonder just how accurate the stats really are. Some kills do not get registered. For example, shoot down a plane near your airbase and most of the time you will not get an enemy destroyed message. Then sometimes you get "enemy aircraft destroyed" in your hud, but there is not XXX shot down XXX in the chat display. This is how FBD registers kills. So the accuracy part is what is one thing that is holding me back on this one.

Another thing i personally do not like bout the FBD stats, it ranks players by Kills. When you goto the pilot listing, you have to option to list players by the number of kills they have. This to me is not a good way to rank players. If a player has 50 kills and 100 deaths, what does that say. Sure he might be in teh top ten in the kill ranking, but is he really a good pilot with 100 deaths. I would rather see the players ranked by their Kill/Death Ratios. I asked Sammie if they could do this, but he doesnt have time to do it at the moment and there are many other things that need to be worked on first. So as i have no PHP/MySQL coding abilities, i would need someone to work on this for me. If anyone is up the task, drop me a mail http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I want to do a little more stats gathering first and look at what its collecting and how accurately before i make a decision. So just hang in there.

S~

notgoodknight
01-18-2005, 09:38 PM
oh lame. just add stats.

Von_Rat
01-18-2005, 11:57 PM
leadspitter,,,having maps that pit the lw against just raf, or usaaf, not both at the same time is a great idea. i think it would add to the realism on the server.

but with the limited raf choices, it might have to wait for tempest and spit14.

FatBoyHK
01-19-2005, 12:33 AM
Don't be too serious about the accurary and presentation of the stats.... no matter what you do, people will go to interpret the stats in the (right or wrong) ways they want.... just let them be, it has nothing to do with the stats itself, so just enable it and let us enjoy in the way we choose to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FI.Snaphoo
01-19-2005, 01:33 AM
I've always had a grand time on the WC server. I've been a part, though I wonder if I was an effective part, of a few large bomber sorties as well as a few large P-38 strikes. All were great fun to and from (when I made it to the target zone) the target zone. It's great to be on and tag along with some of the pilots on this server. I've learned bunches from all of the guys I've flown with and against.

Though I still can't seem to stop falling out of the sky, usually with a wing missing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

*sigh*

Great to have a resource like this one available to the community.

GAU-8
01-19-2005, 01:34 AM
sorry i missed out on the fun.

ill do what i can to be there .(possible the only 380thBG member left???) i feel bad that my 310th fighters boys doin my duty..

my job blows, im only on during wee hours now.

sigh

glad 310th did well though for fillingh in our shoes!

S`

WOLFMondo
01-19-2005, 01:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:

Another thing i personally do not like bout the FBD stats, it ranks players by Kills. When you goto the pilot listing, you have to option to list players by the number of kills they have. This to me is not a good way to rank players. If a player has 50 kills and 100 deaths, what does that say. Sure he might be in teh top ten in the kill ranking, but is he really a good pilot with 100 deaths. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Probably means he's a ground attack inclined pilot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
01-19-2005, 03:53 AM
Neg. P51 pilot tried and true http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

GK, not exactly a good way to convince someone eh?

Tvrdi
01-19-2005, 04:34 AM
warclouds is good....but, it would be better as USAAF vs LW server only....spits were used by americans but not in great numbers, and thres a tons of them there http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif..also, its pitty we dont have plane-type limitation..so we could have then less Tas, K4s, P63s, P39s available to fly just like in the rl....so on ex. there would be more mustangs or Bf-Gs...

notgoodknight
01-19-2005, 05:07 AM
Ok my fault. Most people are interested in statistics because it gives a sense of purpose to otherwise random furballing, trying to stay alive, or just avoiding the deathkick. Most aren't concerned with how they compare to other players. Like you said a 1:2 kill death ratio means you are terrible and people will realize that when they see your stats. More importantly than air 2 air stuff,

Stats give ground pounders a sense of encouragement. people can log into the forums and see that the 310th took out 90 tanks and forty factories and be like wow, they are good ground pounders and team players. Otherwise ground pounders usually go unnoticed, when they are a huge part of the team effort.

Another thing, if you are a ground pounder and have a 1:1 kill :death ratio but have destroyed 500 ground targets. To me, thats pretty darn good. You might feel differently but attacking ground targets in warclouds is risky business and people that go that route usually dont last very long in the server, can not build up a lot of points, and therefore are the "unsung" heros of the game.

These people should not go unoticed any longer. Think of the ground pounders sparx.

I hope that was more convincing. Love the old maps and warclouds in general. Hey Tvrdi, there are also a lot of g6/as, which is just as noobish as a spit imo. People tend to fly the best planes, this is not a new trend.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
01-19-2005, 06:20 AM
hhhm to bad i missed the fun ,you guys were lucky i wasnt there to shoot down some P63's in the Dora http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif you know attacking B25s in a dora is risky and futile http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-19-2005, 07:00 AM
Past iterations of FBDStats had different rankings for different things including K/D ratio, ground attack etc,.

I agree rankings based on # of kills alone can be very decieving. I've talked to Lunix and Sammie about also Kills/ToS(Time on Server) ratio. These things will be addressed as time allows. To me K/D ratio is the real measuring stick, but can be skewed by TK'ers, accidental ground loops, spawn bugs and such.

TB

notgoodknight
01-19-2005, 08:13 AM
Thats very interesting thunderbolt. The question of "what makes a good pilot" is a tough one. However, it just requires some common sense in my opinion.

Sparx currently holds the opinion that K: D ratio is the end all be all of good piloting. I disagree. There could be a pilot that has spent 20 hours on the server and achieved 10 kills and zero deaths. Suppose he loiters at 5k and never enters enemy territory. Simply put, this pilot is a coward. Not only is he a coward, he is SELFISH. His flying does nothing to help the team effort. Should this pilot be rated higher than someone who puts himself in danger by escorting bombers and has flown for 10 hours and achieved 20 kills and 4 deaths? hell no.

You want to encourage air combat, not discourage it. The graphics and scenery may be nice but this isn't MSFS2004. It is an air combat sim. Greatergreen does an excellent job of this. Warclouds also, but I don't think sparx that you realize that stats would just be a nice addition no matter how they are added. I think you may be blowing it out of proportion by believing that stats will bring more problems that it actually will.


I still think pilots should be ranked by # of kills. While sometimes it can be decieving, the majority of the time, it isn't. You won't see many pilots will 200 kills and 200 deaths, especially on a server that has deathkick enabled. It takes skill to kill. Everyone dies, and gets shot down no matter how good you are. To rate pilots accurately you would need a combination of kills, kd ratio, kill/tos, and ground attack.

Sparx maybe you could use a previous version of FBD stats that had the option of ranking players based on KD ratio? I know there used to be a version that could do it. There was no "default" ranking either, I believe. You had to click on what mattered to you and see how pilots were ranked. you could click on kills, kd ratio, gun %, etc.

VK_Dim
01-19-2005, 08:39 AM
There are so many factors that affect K/D ratio, some of them are already mentioned.
I once flew a D3 over E island all the mission time and i got shot down by AA like 20 times. it was a suicidal mission and i never thoguht about my ratio. The mission goal was the only thing important. Also you cna improve your stats by teaming up on TS. It is much easier to stay alive if you are with one or more pilots on comms.
I say that kills are what should count. We are talkin about a sim, a RL is another story.
IMO stats are here only to have track of your online flyn not to measure someones skill.

notgoodknight
01-19-2005, 08:47 AM
Thats essentially my point dim. I don't see any reason why stats shouldn't be immediately added to such a great server as warclouds.

veauger
01-19-2005, 09:12 AM
Our website is going up and down, so here is the address for our message boards which are on a different host.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/310th_VFBG/

If you would like to fly fighter escort the next time we take out the B25's (this sunday at 8pm EST), drop us a line.

FatBoyHK
01-19-2005, 09:16 AM
what GK said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif just provide the stats, and let's us do our own interpetation, and let's us create our own fun, whatever it would be, be it the K/D, K#, K/Tos, GK, whatever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

btw, I think having a low K/Tos ratio don't necessarily mean you are a coward. With most of the fight being treetop TnB on WC, if you fly a US plane or a FW, and if you fly it with your brain, it is absolutely possible to end a sorties without even an opporunity to take a shot.... but you are far from useless, your presence at the right time and the right place, and your every BnZ move, are enough to drive away some attackers who love their virtual life and fly with their brain just like you.

I have a very high K/D ratio but a very low K/Tos ratio, about 1 kill per hour, but I think I am far from being coward, lol, I hope it is http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

notgoodknight
01-19-2005, 11:51 AM
Clearly fatboy, I was just making up an example. My point was about K:death ratio not K/tos. Although I think both stats would be interesting to have. The example that I created does not apply to everyone. However sometimes a mission requires you to fly into harms way. It is also obvious from flying on warclouds that not everyone is concerned with the mission objective. I don't think you are denying this. If you arent shooting down planes, or doing what you said (scaring away other planes from smart flying), escorting bombers, or bombing, you aren't helping your team. I hope that makes my point more clear.

stathem
01-20-2005, 10:10 AM
If I want to get an impression of how good a pilot is from the FBD stats, I look at his Hit% Air. (although obv. groundpounders and Hurricane/P47/P51 drivers suffer a little in this regard.)