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biggs222
10-04-2004, 12:50 AM
i rememebr a while ago in some old discussion, that pilots said they didnt like using tracers much because they were bad for aiming and bad for the gun barrels or something to that effect....can anyone here tell me what exaclty piolts said about it and what exactly was disliked about having tracers in the ammo?

links?
quotes?

thanks guys
anything?

WOLFMondo
10-04-2004, 01:00 AM
I've got no idea apart from all the guns in the Lancs on the dambusters raid had tracers as they would have a greater psychological effect on the troops on the ground and the AA crews.

Yossarian_16th
10-04-2004, 01:59 AM
IIRC the tracers had slightly different ballistic properties to regular ammo, so even if your tracers were hitting the target, your actual rounds might not be. Also - although the tracers helped you see where you were shooting, it also let the target know they were being shot at.

1.JaVA_Razer
10-04-2004, 02:57 AM
also in the beginning, at the end of you ammo belt they'd put tracer rounds to warn you you where out of ammo, unfortionatly so did they warnt he guy you where shooting at you was out of ammo.

They changed this quickly if i remember correctly

Heavy_Weather
10-04-2004, 07:09 AM
Razor hit it spot on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PBNA-Boosher
10-04-2004, 07:32 AM
1. Tracers had a different trajectory than normal bullets, so if the tracers hit, chances are everything else misses.

2. Tracers let your enemy know you're there if you don't get him on the first pass.

and the BAD FOR YOU part:

3. Get hit by a tracer, and it burns a hole all the way through you.

xrvjorn
10-04-2004, 07:58 AM
I find tracers in IL2/FB very useful in the virtual world on Hyperlobby. When the guy you're chasing is too far away and the distance increases, a few tracers above his head often makes him turn which both slows him down and presents a bigger target.

Aaron_GT
10-04-2004, 08:28 AM
Is there a big difference in the ballistics between ball rounds and tracers at short distances typical of early points in the war (e.g. 100 yards)?

biggs222
10-04-2004, 12:01 PM
thats great guys, but i was wondering if any of you had any proof of this, links or quotes from pilots or anything. Im not disagreeing with you, i just wnat some hard evidence to prove this to a friend of mine.

Hawk_9th
10-04-2004, 12:12 PM
Pick up some books on american aces there were quite a few that had them removed because of the problems with them mention

Zyzbot
10-04-2004, 12:24 PM
Col. Gabreski tracer quote

http://usfighter.tripod.com/gabby.htm

LStarosta
10-04-2004, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 1.JaVA_Razer:
also in the beginning, at the end of you ammo belt they'd put tracer rounds to warn you you where out of ammo, unfortionatly so did they warnt he guy you where shooting at you was out of ammo.

They changed this quickly if i remember correctly <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe some Luftwaffe Leutnant of English descent figured this one out on his own. He was an intelligence officer who interrogated Allied airmen in the most unusual manner. He'd take the American for a walk through the estate grounds... And the conversation went something like this:

"You know, I find something unusual about your aircraft's tracers... I swear to God, you Americans used red tracers.. Not long ago, I saw them using white tracers... Pretty unusual..."

"Oh gee, yeah! Our crew chiefs are nice enough to put white tracers on the last rounds on our ammo belts so we know when we're about to run out!"

AtorianPaladin
10-04-2004, 01:40 PM
My grandfather was a ball turet gunner on a B-17 in the 8th. the tracers screw up the ballistics of the bullet. think, the p[lane is already going 300 mph so that messes up the flight path. the tracer messes the path up even mor, because of the heat, and the burning material. If u dont believe me, fine, but i shoot military rifles open sites, and every little bit counts. A cannon round may not be affected so much, since its heavier, but i dont know.

tttiger
10-04-2004, 02:01 PM
biggs, if you weren't too lazy to do a Google search, you would have found this:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/8217/fgun/fgun-in.html

Go the ammunition tab. It says tracers had a different trajectory than other ammo.

An amazing tool, Google http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ttt

biggs222
10-04-2004, 03:34 PM
yeah well i wanted to hear it from the "experts" here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Fennec_P
10-04-2004, 05:31 PM
Also, pilots used tracers as crutches for aiming, which would encourage spraying+praying.

Removing the tracers caused pilots to aim much better, and hit rates improved.