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neural_dream
08-24-2005, 04:32 AM
This is the 6th post in a series of topics on the Revised Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time so i will share it with you just after the release of the last patch. In these topics i post what i have chosen for the time being to write about each aircraft as side-info to the cockpit reference. This way the experts of this forum will quickly point out errors and maybe offer better alternatives to my words for each aircraft. Do not stick that much to numbers. I offer approximate ones first because you can never be sure with so many conflicting numbers out there, and second because this is a compact guide and shouldn't waste precious space by adding all speeds for every model of a plane if they are very similar. Still if you find that there are important inconsistencies please tell me so before i "release" the guide next month.

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Nakajima Ki-84-Ia,b,c Hayate "Frank" (`44-`45)
The Ki-84 was an impressive aircraft, with better manoeuvrability and climb rate than most contemporary American
planes. It made its first significant appearance in the battle of Leyte towards the end of 1944 and was used by the
Japanese till the end of the war in various roles pretty much everywhere. In total 3514 Ki-84 were built in
those few months (mainly Ia and Ib).
Maximum Speed: 580km/h at sea level and 680km/h at 6100m. Turn time 19.6s at 1000m.
Climb to 6000m in 6.1mins.
Tips:
¦ The Ki-84 may start disintegrating at 850km/h.
¦ The Ki-84 is a superb gunnery platform.
¦ Although the Ki-84 can be used as a high altitude interceptor you should avoid facing enemy fighters (like P-47, P-51) at very high altitudes (over 7000m).
Armament:
Ia: nose - 2x12.7mm Ho103 MG (350rpg/24sec), wings - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/10sec).
Ib: nose - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/11sec), wings - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/10sec).
Ic: nose - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/11sec), wings - 2x30mm Ho105 cannon (65rpg/6sec).
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Kawasaki Ki-100-I Ko (`45)
The Ki-100 was the last of the Japanese singe-engine fighters to enter service in WW2. Derived by the earlier Ki-61 Hien, the Ki-100 was first designed as an interim high-altitude interceptor. Changing to the Ha-112 engine they realised they had an excellent fighter at low altitudes, pretty much equal to the F6F Hellcat, but rather weak at high altitudes, where it was supposed to intercept the B-29s. <span class="ev_code_RED">[CORRECTED]</span> The Ki-100 was not given a separate codename by the Allies.
Maximum speed: 510km/h at sea level, 590km/h at 6000m and 515km/h at 10000m. Climb to 5000m in 6mins and 10000m in 20mins. <span class="ev_code_RED">[added]</span>
Service Ceiling: 10670m.
Tips:
¦ The Ki-100 is very easy and comfortable to fly, but too slow against most contemporary American fighters.
¦ Avoid flying at very high altitudes. Over 8000m its manoeuvrability suffers.
¦ Switch supercharger speeds at 3500 - 4000m.
¦ The Ki100 starts disintegrating just before 900km/h.
Armament:
Ki100: wings - 2x12.7 mm Ho103 MG (250rpg/16sec)), nose - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (250rpg/15sec)
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neural_dream
08-24-2005, 04:32 AM
This is the 6th post in a series of topics on the Revised Cockpit Reference Guide that i am working on. It will contain all planes this time so i will share it with you just after the release of the last patch. In these topics i post what i have chosen for the time being to write about each aircraft as side-info to the cockpit reference. This way the experts of this forum will quickly point out errors and maybe offer better alternatives to my words for each aircraft. Do not stick that much to numbers. I offer approximate ones first because you can never be sure with so many conflicting numbers out there, and second because this is a compact guide and shouldn't waste precious space by adding all speeds for every model of a plane if they are very similar. Still if you find that there are important inconsistencies please tell me so before i "release" the guide next month.

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Nakajima Ki-84-Ia,b,c Hayate "Frank" (`44-`45)
The Ki-84 was an impressive aircraft, with better manoeuvrability and climb rate than most contemporary American
planes. It made its first significant appearance in the battle of Leyte towards the end of 1944 and was used by the
Japanese till the end of the war in various roles pretty much everywhere. In total 3514 Ki-84 were built in
those few months (mainly Ia and Ib).
Maximum Speed: 580km/h at sea level and 680km/h at 6100m. Turn time 19.6s at 1000m.
Climb to 6000m in 6.1mins.
Tips:
¦ The Ki-84 may start disintegrating at 850km/h.
¦ The Ki-84 is a superb gunnery platform.
¦ Although the Ki-84 can be used as a high altitude interceptor you should avoid facing enemy fighters (like P-47, P-51) at very high altitudes (over 7000m).
Armament:
Ia: nose - 2x12.7mm Ho103 MG (350rpg/24sec), wings - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/10sec).
Ib: nose - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/11sec), wings - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/10sec).
Ic: nose - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (150rpg/11sec), wings - 2x30mm Ho105 cannon (65rpg/6sec).
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Kawasaki Ki-100-I Ko (`45)
The Ki-100 was the last of the Japanese singe-engine fighters to enter service in WW2. Derived by the earlier Ki-61 Hien, the Ki-100 was first designed as an interim high-altitude interceptor. Changing to the Ha-112 engine they realised they had an excellent fighter at low altitudes, pretty much equal to the F6F Hellcat, but rather weak at high altitudes, where it was supposed to intercept the B-29s. <span class="ev_code_RED">[CORRECTED]</span> The Ki-100 was not given a separate codename by the Allies.
Maximum speed: 510km/h at sea level, 590km/h at 6000m and 515km/h at 10000m. Climb to 5000m in 6mins and 10000m in 20mins. <span class="ev_code_RED">[added]</span>
Service Ceiling: 10670m.
Tips:
¦ The Ki-100 is very easy and comfortable to fly, but too slow against most contemporary American fighters.
¦ Avoid flying at very high altitudes. Over 8000m its manoeuvrability suffers.
¦ Switch supercharger speeds at 3500 - 4000m.
¦ The Ki100 starts disintegrating just before 900km/h.
Armament:
Ki100: wings - 2x12.7 mm Ho103 MG (250rpg/16sec)), nose - 2x20mm Ho5 cannon (250rpg/15sec)
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neural_dream
08-24-2005, 04:37 AM
Tomorrow the BF109s

You can find the previous CRG posts at:

5. I16, I153, I185: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/2921071943
4. Stukas,He111: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/3011097843
3. La5,La7: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/9311023843
2. CR42,G50: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/5971000843
1. Ki43,61: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/7311047743

jds1978
08-24-2005, 03:02 PM
thanks for your work...can't wait to see the finished CRG http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG53Frankyboy
08-24-2005, 04:55 PM
Ki-100 was not a highalt fighter -actually it had huge proplems to combatthe B-29s.
its max spped is rated at an altitude around 6000m.
it could only fought US fighters at low to medium altitude - and than only the F6F at equaly terms..............

Kuna15
08-24-2005, 05:56 PM
Awesome work neural_dream. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

neural_dream
08-24-2005, 07:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
Ki-100 was not a highalt fighter -actually it had huge proplems to combatthe B-29s.
its max spped is rated at an altitude around 6000m.
it could only fought US fighters at low to medium altitude - and than only the F6F at equaly terms.............. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks m8. I did very bad research on that one. It think now it's better.

neural_dream
08-24-2005, 07:43 PM
I am surprised nobody is saying anything about the ki84. So many threads about how uber it is and noboby here to comment on its strengths and weaknesses or suggestions on how to fly it.

I guess my CRG posts are becoming less appealing.

vocatx
08-24-2005, 08:34 PM
I have been flying Japanese a/c on-line almost exclusively for the last couple of months now, and if I have a choice between the 84 and the 100, I'll take the 84 anytime. That said, a good Hellcat, Wilcat, or Corsair pilot can clean your plow if you don't stay on your toes.

LEBillfish
08-24-2005, 09:44 PM
Actually, the Ki-100's best altitude was 6.1km/20,000' as stated above....But became "useless" at 10km/33,000'....However, the Ki-100 due to being so light actually climbed faster and was more maneuverable then the Ki-61 up high.......The Ki-61 already known to be just about/close as maneuverable as a Ki-43.....That's pretty turny if you ask me.

Never the less, by the time B29's were hitting Japan and Ki-100s really became active, the B29s had already switched to a "low altitude" doctrine...and this you'll need to check me on as I'm trying to recall the exact number and when. Yet essentially, they were flying between 2 & 3km due to the fact flak could not arm that low/fast.

In kind allied fighters that flew over were having a tough time with them....What you have heard about it being outclassed is untrue. Ki-100's were noted for being an even match for P51's and downed many, and would walk all over Hellcats. One encounter of 8 Ki-100 downing 22 Hellcats without a loss.

However, you see Japanese plane after plane shot down seemingly easily....Must be the plane right?...Wrong. By that time most pilots were virtually untrained with no experience. That the reason for the losses as the experienced pilots racked up numerous kills.

Lastly, many Japanese planes even had all their armament removed to be able to climb quicker to do one thing...ram bombers. Tough to win a gunfight with no gun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif...In kind P51's were suffering the same fate as BF109's over England...not enough fuel to fight long.

neural_dream
08-25-2005, 03:28 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Thanks again LEBillfish http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Never the less, by the time B29's were hitting Japan and Ki-100s really became active, the B29s had already switched to a "low altitude" doctrine...and this you'll need to check me on as I'm trying to recall the exact number and when. Yet essentially, they were flying between 2 & 3km due to the fact flak could not arm that low/fast.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's interesting. Can someone give more info on that?

Kuna15
08-25-2005, 03:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
I am surprised nobody is saying anything about the ki84. So many threads about how uber it is and noboby here to comment on its strengths and weaknesses or suggestions on how to fly it.

I guess my CRG posts are becoming less appealing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe that is because there is not so many players that favours KI-84 above all other planes. Majority will take KI-84 because that is likely the best Japanese aircraft on the server.

LEBillfish
08-25-2005, 07:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
That's interesting. Can someone give more info on that? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do a search using the keywords "LeMay, bomb, japan".........HOWEVER be warned, there is a LOT of incorrect stuff out there. Also don't be so sure that if 99 out of 100 say it was "X" way that is right as incorrect info gets repeated over and over.

You should however be able to find something that might even be now de-classified documents and possibly even Auto/biography's of LeMay...Those would be your most credible sources.

As to the Ki-84 I cannot comment much except to say it was considered an "exceptional" fighter...Easily on par with anything else out there.....Nakajima switching its efforts from the Ki-43 to it....and I CAN tell you the Ki-43 WAS truly an example of continuous engineering improvement over its life. So my guess would be the Ki-84 would very likely be all and more you have heard.

JG53Frankyboy
08-25-2005, 07:35 AM
something to note is that the Ki84 in PF4.01 can loose its wings if you pull to much Gforces.
good elevator response , like P-51s.

also, its MW inhejction can be used till the fuel tank is empty, no timerestriction like in the BF109s (where it is 26min , just four you comming efforts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )
also it works at ALL powersettings - also different to the 109s were it works only over 100%.

also you forgott the highblower shift altitude of the Hayate- its 2500m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



mixture in Ki-100:
100% till 6300m
80% till 7800m
60% till 9800m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and the MW behaves like in the Ki84

neural_dream
08-25-2005, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
something to note is that the Ki84 in PF4.01 can loose its wings if you pull to much Gforces.
good elevator response , like P-51s.

also, its MW inhejction can be used till the fuel tank is empty, no timerestriction like in the BF109s (where it is 26min , just four you comming efforts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )
also it works at ALL powersettings - also different to the 109s were it works only over 100%.

also you forgott the highblower shift altitude of the Hayate- its 2500m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

mixture 100% can be used till 7000m


mixture in Ki-100:
100% till 6300m
80% till 7800m
60% till 9800m http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

and the MW behaves like in the Ki84 </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

All that is great advice. I had forgotten the thing about the Ki84 losing its wings. thx. About the MW i think i described its use and time limit for the K4 in the previous guide. Now i will add your stuff about the Ki84 as well, and the Ki100. A little later or maybe tomorrow i will post about the 109.
cheers http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Frankyboy
08-25-2005, 08:02 AM
mixture of the Ki84 was an 3.04 feature.
in 4.01 it has only 100 and 120 - so actually its automatic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
my own checklist needs also some new tests http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif#

but i will wait till 4.02................

Aero_Shodanjo
08-25-2005, 08:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
mixture of the Ki84 was an 3.04 feature.
in 4.01 it has only 100 and 120 - so actually its automatic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
my own checklist needs also some new tests http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif#

but i will wait till 4.02................ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just an addition about Hayate fuel mixture setting, you can engage 120% mixture only below +/- 750m alt.

JG53Frankyboy
08-25-2005, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Aero_Shodanjo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
mixture of the Ki84 was an 3.04 feature.
in 4.01 it has only 100 and 120 - so actually its automatic http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
my own checklist needs also some new tests http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif#

but i will wait till 4.02................ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just an addition about Hayate fuel mixture setting, you can engage 120% mixture only below +/- 750m alt. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i never tested if these low level 120% settings are worth for anything in 4.01.
F6F , F4U , Reisen Model32/52 and more have the same.

Aero_Shodanjo
08-25-2005, 08:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
i never tested if these low level 120% settings are worth for anything in 4.01.
F6F , F4U , Reisen Model32/52 and more have the same. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tested in QMB using Ki-84.

The settings:
25% fuel,
engine overheat off,
realistic fuel off,
low alt (on the deck) flying.
Okinawa map (I know, not the standard Crimea one but I all I wanted was a quick and dirty test)

I found by engaging WEP plus 120% mixture, I'll get around 20-40 km/h more.

Anyway, this was just - as I said before - a simple test and not a very detailed one. So dont take my words for it.

neural_dream
08-25-2005, 07:48 PM
last call for ki84 and ki100 advice before i move to the messerschmitts.

Kocur_
08-25-2005, 11:32 PM
Above Ki-84 performance comes from US tests. According to IJA performance table for Frank powered by Ha-45-2 at 2000ps take off could achieve 624kmh@6,5k. During WW2 Ki-84 were serviced with 87octane fuel at best. (Aero Detail No24)