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OJ_79
04-25-2004, 08:19 AM
Hi there!

This is my rig: AMDxp2000, 1 gig ddr 2100, Geforce 3ti200,SB Live, TrackIR.

So my question is, what card should I get to upgrade my current rig?

I wont be upgrading anything else till next year and the only games I play are FB-Aces and Lock On.

Obviously, I could stump up for a 9800pro or something but would this be too good for my rig and therefore pointless? If so, what card will match up?

Many thanks in advance.

Tata, OJ

PS. I can get a 9600 PRO for around 70-80 GB. Is that a good price and would I see much of a performace leap from my current card? (I would like to run perfect!)

OJ_79
04-25-2004, 08:19 AM
Hi there!

This is my rig: AMDxp2000, 1 gig ddr 2100, Geforce 3ti200,SB Live, TrackIR.

So my question is, what card should I get to upgrade my current rig?

I wont be upgrading anything else till next year and the only games I play are FB-Aces and Lock On.

Obviously, I could stump up for a 9800pro or something but would this be too good for my rig and therefore pointless? If so, what card will match up?

Many thanks in advance.

Tata, OJ

PS. I can get a 9600 PRO for around 70-80 GB. Is that a good price and would I see much of a performace leap from my current card? (I would like to run perfect!)

VF-19
04-25-2004, 09:23 AM
Technically, there is no such thing as a videocard that's "too good for my rig". I recommend you go for the 9800 Pro, as not only will it provide a massive performance boost, it won't be obsolete within a few months. You'll be able to run FB on perfect, and LOMAC very well too (although, I haven't played LOMAC... I should, however).

What you should do is some research. Your primary motivator should be "which card gives me the most bang (performance) for my buck (pound, dollar, etc)". And set a price you're willing to pay. Also, keep an eye out for sales, as you may find what you want for cheap.

And for the 9600 pro, it's a budget videocard, and a great one at that. However, it may not last (in terms of playing games well) as long as a 9800 pro.

VW-IceFire
04-25-2004, 09:28 AM
9800Pro and the 9600XT are both very good buys. The 9600XT is close to the performance of the slightly older 9700Pro which is about 10% less performance than the 9800Pro. (lots of pro speak http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif).


One VERY IMPORTANT suggestion. If you do buy an ATI card (or even a new nVidia card)...please remove the drivers from your old card using a driver cleaner. SO many people put in an ATI card and wonder why its so slow...are about to take it back in frusteration except that its their old nVidia drivers causing them all of the problems and it has nothing to do with the ATI card itself.

Just a word of advice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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ASM 1
04-25-2004, 10:23 AM
Ok

Now I am torn http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif my graphics card budget will stretch to about 150. This will get me either a 9800 pro 128MB or a 9600XT 256MB (and some change!). Based on this, and the fact that my machine is a P4 1.8 with 512MB. Would I be correct to go with my current instinct and get the 9800? or is the 9600XT good enough that I wouldn't notice on this machine - obviously, other things become the bottleneck but I am not that bothered, since MAJOR upgrades will probably occur this time next year.

cheers

Andrew

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OJ_79
04-25-2004, 10:27 AM
Andrew, looks like we are in the same boat pretty much.

Where are you looking at for the cards?

Tata, OJ

VW-IceFire
04-25-2004, 10:29 AM
Get the 9800Pro. If the price is similar the 9800Pro is a much better card. It benefits from having more pipelines than a 9600 does. So you will notice a difference.

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ASM 1
04-25-2004, 10:56 AM
OJ
Komplett.co.uk and heres a link for the 9800 pro
http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=122901&cks=PRL


Unfortunately I cant afford it at the moment as I have blown this month's "Toys" budget on lots of lovely wireless broadband stuff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif but to quote Wayne from Wanyes World as he gazes lovingly at the white fender strat in the store:

"It will be mine, oh yes, it WILL be mine" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

hope this helps

S!

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ASM 1
04-25-2004, 11:14 AM
Also - Lemme know what you get and how you get on with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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S!

Andrew

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wright_7
04-25-2004, 01:30 PM
Why change out an exellent less than 2yr old graphics card? Id get a new audio card if anything.

TgD Thunderbolt56
04-25-2004, 02:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Get the 9800Pro. If the price is similar the 9800Pro is a much better card. It benefits from having more pipelines than a 9600 does. So you will notice a difference.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


What he said. And the reason for getting a new vid card instead of a sound card is because FB shows the greatest speed gains with a good CPU+GPU combo.



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OJ_79
04-25-2004, 04:28 PM
wright_7, you can't be serious about the Geforce3Ti200?

It has serious problems running FB now I have aces installed, even with it overclocked. It is older than 2 years as well.

I would have thought the 9800 pro was a quantum leap from the ti200 - especially with its FSAA and anisotropic capabilities. That has sold it to me over the FX series.

As for sound, I don't find it anywhere near as important as graphics - I'm not going to change anything else until next year when I upgrade the whole system (as I said in my original post).

Again, the ONLY games I play/am interested in are FB and Lock-on (and Pacific fighters and BOB in the future. Hence the upgrade next year!).

Thanks for the responses everybody - my mind is almost made up!

ASM 1
04-26-2004, 03:29 AM
OJ

Your post prodded me into action with regard to prices and I can go one better than Komplett

http://tinyurl.com/2tc9h - An Evesham R9800 pro 128 for 130 ing vat (yes thats right a PRO, although be careful as they have a SE for the same price http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif) .

HAve posted in this (getting it locked) forum and Community help asking for info on the evesham brand. I know they make PCs but hadn't a clue about their gfx boards http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hope this helps

S!

Andrew

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OJ_79
04-26-2004, 11:35 AM
WOW!

I may just buy it. Did you find out if it has the 8 pixel pipeline?

I gues it must have if it is a 9800pro?

ANyway, keep us posted.

I will let you know if I find anything more

ASM 1
04-26-2004, 12:02 PM
OJ

Yeah I have emailed them about the spec - looks like the real deal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif although I am waiting until I have heard back from them before making any purchasing decision... I even was cheeky enough to ask who they sourced their cards from. Hopefully they'll get back to me. If you can hang on a few days, I will post back my findings. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Incidentally, if you are interested, my thread on it is in community help:

http://tinyurl.com/3bwnx (link squished to make things easier)

Hope this helps - I will let you know what happens.

S!

Andrew (soon to be a Radeon 9800 pro owner methinks! A lot sooner than I expected LOL! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

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AirBot
04-26-2004, 12:31 PM
Actually, VF-19, there is such a thing as "a videocard that's 'too good for my rig'". If you have a top-of-the-line vid. card, but a fairly old system otherwise, the older components of your system will become the bottleneck and you'll lose most of the advantage of having a high-end video card.
Basically, your card will be pumping out frames faster than your CPU, for example, can make the necessary calculations, and thus it will have to sit idle and wait for the CPU to catch up.

Back on topic though, I think the 9700 Pro is a great buy at the moment. It still offers great performance (not that much worse than a 9800), and it's pretty cheap by now as well.

ASM 1
04-26-2004, 12:41 PM
Airbot

Fair play, but (new) 9700 pros are rather difficult to come by, particularly in the UK, I've tried. Also, on ebay UK unless you are lucky they are going for 120 (and up) which is not that much less than the 9800 I've just found - a whole 9! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Not taking the mickey or having a go, your point is a valid one, but since there is so little difference, I'll probably go for the 9800 pro, even if my system is a bit of a bottleneck

S!

Andrew

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AirBot
04-27-2004, 05:07 AM
Fair enough asm016. If you can find a 9800 Pro for that cheap, I say go for it.

Now why'd you have to go and ruin my mood like that? I just recently bought a 9700 Pro for my rig for $210 USD. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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Rajvosa
04-27-2004, 05:18 AM
Airbot -

Don't be sad! This is the way the game goes. PC components are getting chaper almost daily.

Think of the poor bastards that payed +400 bucks for their 9800Pros a year ago and now they can be had for less than 200!

Regards,

Jasko

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ASM 1
04-27-2004, 07:02 AM
Airbot

Sorry man! realise that my above post may have sounded a bit sarky, or a putdown http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif didn't mean it like that - honest. The 9700 pro is a good card and beleive me I would have bought one long before now if I had found it cheap. Unfortunately in the in the UK when it comes to buying components (esp secondhand or something that has been discontined/replaced) and pretty much everything else - we suffer from a dollars to pound mentality i.e. $200 is taken as 200 which it isn't as we all know - but thats how some people price their stuff... Idiotic isn't it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif But that is what (I have found) we are up against. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Dont take it to heart - $200 is about 111 (I'm sad, I've just checked http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif) - which is a price I wold have been more than happy to pay http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Just the muppets on ebay want 200 which is a little out of my price range. 111 buys me a 256MB 9600XT, which whilst a good bit of kit is only a 4 pixel pipeline card - UNLIKE the 9700 or 9800. I do however want the bit extra, so a 9800pro 128 it is for an extra 20.

Again didnt mean to upset you - yeah my machine is probably a bit underpowered for it but hey - bang for buck is with the 9800pro... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

Andrew

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AirBot
05-07-2004, 06:52 AM
I have no idea why I'm bumping this long dead thread, but I just had to point out that I wasn't being serious. I was kidding with the whole "ruin my mood" thing, and I thought the little hammer smiley at the bottom pointed that out.
Anyway, sorry ASM for the unwarranted guilt. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ddsflyer
05-07-2004, 10:12 AM
Wait a little while. When the new cards hit the market in a week or two, the price of a 9800XT will probably fall into your price range. Ffailing that, the 9800 Pro is far better than the 9600XT.

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GeForce 5950
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Plextor PX-708A
Lite-On 52x
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ASM 1
05-07-2004, 10:39 AM
@ddsflyer
Cheers for that - the way I am going I will probably be waiting at least another month...mmmm 9800 XT... drool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


@Airbot - you and me both! took it with a pinch of salt but was just wanting to make sure... cant go upsetting people can I ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

S!

Andrew

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