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GAU-8
04-10-2006, 04:07 PM
im not familiar with his artwok that i am aware of. im sure i had seen something, but did not know the name of the artist.

so here i was at his site, checking out all sorts of goodies. when i see it... a heavily stricken B-17 pouring flames out of its open wounds, with a few escorts, and bandits in the background. i KNOW this painting!... i KNOW IT..i HAVE IT!.... wait..no i dont. i dont have any of his paintings. right...im so confused!!! i have seen this painting before. i have it and it is IN MY HOUSE, im sure of it! but i never paid him money for it. so how did i get my hands on it? where is the JAMES DIETZ b-17 PAINTING!? by now im going thru all sorts of boxes in the attic, in the closets...tearing up the house. i go thru all of my book collections... i know its NOT in a book..why am i looking in books?? i have THAT painting somewhere. after several housr im exhausted. i sit back down in my cockpit, about to get back online to HL...

im STILL thinkin about that D@MN painting.. i could swear it was right in front of me. im getting delusional. over a paining HA!.

when im sitting in the cockpit, i have 2 glass shelves behind the monitor that carry all of my game boxes of flight sims...well i was just staring off at the game boxes.and everytime i blinked..i kept seeing a b-17 in flames. "power of suggestion" i thought. then i focused my eyes.

"B-17 MIGHTY EIGHTH" p.c. game box. with the artwork i have been scrambling all over for. no wonder i knew i didnt have a "print" of his work, but also knew i had this "painting"


knowing who he is a little better and that i "have his work" (in a way) makes it that much more important that i keep my game boxes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif seems a little bit more personal with flightsims just that much more.

original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/jd-vt-002.jpg

p.c. game box cover

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/boxshot-85.jpg



(should you read this, james) was this artwork they contracted you to do for them? or was this peice allready existing, and they had your permission to use it /its likeness?

GAU-8
04-10-2006, 04:07 PM
im not familiar with his artwok that i am aware of. im sure i had seen something, but did not know the name of the artist.

so here i was at his site, checking out all sorts of goodies. when i see it... a heavily stricken B-17 pouring flames out of its open wounds, with a few escorts, and bandits in the background. i KNOW this painting!... i KNOW IT..i HAVE IT!.... wait..no i dont. i dont have any of his paintings. right...im so confused!!! i have seen this painting before. i have it and it is IN MY HOUSE, im sure of it! but i never paid him money for it. so how did i get my hands on it? where is the JAMES DIETZ b-17 PAINTING!? by now im going thru all sorts of boxes in the attic, in the closets...tearing up the house. i go thru all of my book collections... i know its NOT in a book..why am i looking in books?? i have THAT painting somewhere. after several housr im exhausted. i sit back down in my cockpit, about to get back online to HL...

im STILL thinkin about that D@MN painting.. i could swear it was right in front of me. im getting delusional. over a paining HA!.

when im sitting in the cockpit, i have 2 glass shelves behind the monitor that carry all of my game boxes of flight sims...well i was just staring off at the game boxes.and everytime i blinked..i kept seeing a b-17 in flames. "power of suggestion" i thought. then i focused my eyes.

"B-17 MIGHTY EIGHTH" p.c. game box. with the artwork i have been scrambling all over for. no wonder i knew i didnt have a "print" of his work, but also knew i had this "painting"


knowing who he is a little better and that i "have his work" (in a way) makes it that much more important that i keep my game boxes http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif seems a little bit more personal with flightsims just that much more.

original

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/jd-vt-002.jpg

p.c. game box cover

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/boxshot-85.jpg



(should you read this, james) was this artwork they contracted you to do for them? or was this peice allready existing, and they had your permission to use it /its likeness?

strewth
04-10-2006, 06:52 PM
Darn close, but there are differences.

I wonder if this was done to fit the box better? or maybe as a copyright thingy?

The Messerschmitt over the B17's right tailplane is closer in on the cover and the Mustang on the B17's left tailplane is further out.

There are other more subtle differences also.

But it is interesting non the less

Note; I think that the name in small print at the bottom right of the box from what I can make out, is indeed "DIETZ"

Arrrr, the plot thickens http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

GAU-8
04-10-2006, 07:54 PM
i would also guess, that the "original" on the site, MIGHT be purposefully altered, just so that you dont steal a print off the internet? im guessing.

hope i didnt open a can of bad blood http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

BSS_Goat
04-10-2006, 08:42 PM
You can ask him, he comes around here some.

GAU-8
04-10-2006, 09:30 PM
well thats how i originally found out about him, remembered seeing his posts, and I thought "full name, and not a screename?" then later on i found out that he was one of the highly sought aviation (and more) artists.
(and thats what makes me go "WOW" I KNOW this guy!..he posts on our forums" not that i actually know james, but knowing the fact that i may have rubbed elbows/wings or maybe even commed with him...? because that box art is what pulled me to try out flight sims (i bought that and EAW at the same time...so in a way, he helped get me into sims)

thats whats so nice about artwork, especiaaly this case for me. how you can capture an image, that can leave an impression of somekind on someone. then later making that person go "i have seen this!!" tearing up the house as if on a quest for the holy grail. whats funny was that i kept thinking of the movie "close encounters"..with the deja-vu or whatever. I went nuts. at one point i was thinking maybe it was some artwork i did ..and basic idea closely resembled it. it was a fun goose chase http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

major_setback
04-11-2006, 05:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
You can ask him, he comes around here some. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Are you sure? I thought it was just someone using the artists name as their nickname.

BSS_Goat
04-11-2006, 05:51 AM
Can't ever be sure, but I'm pretty sure it's him.... but it may be a James Dietz groupie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif artist get all the hot chicks

ploughman
04-11-2006, 06:35 AM
Groupies, I wish.

HotelBushranger
04-11-2006, 06:52 AM
Nah its fair dinkum him, remember when he was tellin us about is work on the movie King Kong?

GAU-8
04-11-2006, 12:03 PM
Wwell i know he keeps his name the same across forums!

saw his post over at B.O.B. 2 (shockwave forums)but same post about a beer bet involving british props made of metal/wood.


im pretty sure its him.

ploughman
04-11-2006, 03:49 PM
There was a thread on aviation art last year some time and he sort of 'outed' himself on that although I think some members already knew it was the 'him him' and not just some other bloke with the same name.

It's him.

HerrGraf
04-11-2006, 08:27 PM
He is the genuine article and has even posted some of his work on these treads. Do a search of old threads to check it out.
I really like his artwork, even if I find most of his pictures on the busy side.

BfHeFwMe
04-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Yup, he's got a nice web site, and one heck of a cook. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

http://www.jimdietz.com/

jamesdietz
04-11-2006, 11:18 PM
Elves did it!

jamesdietz
04-11-2006, 11:21 PM
Hey thats the wrong site...its really www.jamesdietz.com...at (http://www.jamesdietz.com...at) least when I last looked this worked! Again Elves!

jamesdietz
04-11-2006, 11:21 PM
Gads:www.jamesdietz.com

GAU-8
04-12-2006, 01:33 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

GAU-8
04-12-2006, 01:35 AM
soooo...how did that painting come about? was it existing? or did they commision you to make something from scratch? if so..did they say go wild with a B-17..or what criteria did you have to meet?

major_setback
04-12-2006, 04:30 AM
From that site (get it right chaps http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif):

www.jamesdietz.com (http://www.jamesdietz.com)

Some of my favorites:

http://www.jamesdietz.com/gallery/prodimg/jd-pr-048.jpg

http://www.jamesdietz.com/gallery/prodimg/jd-pr-046.jpg

http://www.jamesdietz.com/gallery/prodimg/jd-pr-024.jpg

More paintings that I collected from other sites:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz1kopia.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz2Hunters20of20the20Night1024Ji.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz3Night20Hawks1024JimDietz.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz4byJamesDietz.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz5Tough20Day.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz6victor.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz7Pilot.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz8F4F20-2006.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz9B-17.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Dietz9b.jpg

jamesdietz
04-12-2006, 09:08 AM
It was commssioned by the Compay ( if I remeber it wa Microprose , the same people who had just done European Air War,)& basically they let me do what I wanted( as long as it fir the box) I never noticed the small shift in things,so that they tucked in a bit better.I wented for the bright color ( almost comic book) effect so it would pop a bit & it made it more fun to paint!I liked the result , it was so different from having to paint a believable scene & had an intersting composition...remember this was before screenshots & all the wonderful variations on composition & lighting that they have wonderfully presented...
Of passing interest: As a few of you know I am hopelessly hooked on this game ( tho I do stray a bit to BoBWoV and I do think my life as an artist may end with the coming of Oleg's BoB...when & if...))but before Il-2 I toddled along with other combat flight sims on a now long gone PC.I wish I could remember the two I spent most time on BEFORE the announcement of B-17 Flying Fortress, i remember they were European& Pacific WW-2... and then European Air Waranyway I cannot tell you how much I looked forward to getting my advance copy of the B-17 sim( remember I was doing the cover art,)it looked as if it would be sooooooooooo cool! When my copy arrived I practically couldn't breath as I did the install....Comes the Dawn: You can guess my ol' PC didn't have the right stuff to run it- I never got beyond the intro sequences.I still haven't...By the time I had upgraded my PC ( or thrown the old one out...) European Air War was still working smoothly, which was very nice & I got to be a Fighter jock all the time in nicely modeled German Flugzuegs...great backgrounds ...nice flak etc etc .I was happy...

Then one day several months later I read I review in the back of FLIGHT JOURNAL Magazine about a new flight sim out of Russian called IL-2 ...well you know the rest!

jamesdietz
04-12-2006, 01:22 PM
Sooooooooo GAU-8 Did you ever get B-17 Flying Fortress to work? If so how good a sim was it?Still worth me giving it a look?

major_setback
04-12-2006, 05:17 PM
@James Dietz:
So it's really you behind that signature! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I love your paintings and the way you work the human element into them.
Keep up the good work. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

jamesdietz
04-12-2006, 05:44 PM
I like your Sig Image...I always wonder if the 109 will get out of the mess he's in????

major_setback
04-13-2006, 03:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
I like your Sig Image...I always wonder if the 109 will get out of the mess he's in???? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he! He didn't! That's me in the Spitfire behind him. Thanks for the comment on the signature.

Larger version:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/Signaurepic004.jpg


The sig' was taken from this screenshot:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/BEST1layerpropblur07opacedge2shadeclouds2.jpg

ploughman
04-13-2006, 04:12 AM
Neat. Did your mate nail the 109 on your tail?

major_setback
04-13-2006, 04:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ploughman:
Neat. Did your mate nail the 109 on your tail? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I had to have a look at the track again to find out. Yes, he sawed the wing off the 109. Faithful AI (this was offline) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif.

GAU-8
04-13-2006, 04:57 AM
thank you for the info! much appreciated!

as a matter of fact, i played it often, and it did have a unique "rose" system to get all airmen to do thier part on the aircraft..or play thier part. inside the B-17 was beautiful fraphics for its day...and still looks pretty good. externally though... its hard to describe. the land 20,000 ft beneath you ....looked like 10 ft. away. all the compartments looked excellent ..especiallu the ball turret. its been a while since i had it instlled. maybe its time again.

jamesdietz
04-13-2006, 09:10 AM
Way OT:
Major Setback- All this time I figured it was you in the 109...silly me I guess....so what happened next?Honestlt I can never hit an aircraft that is doing aileron rolls in front of me,& waste alot of ammo trying!!!

Gau-8- Wasn't there an option for flying German fighters? How were they ( & Allied aircraft too) modeled,and how was flying them? How was game play and effects...like attacking aircraft,muzzle flashes, hits on aircraft,AI, damage models etc.When Il-2 came out in just blew everything else away...including I suspect this game. Intros were very nice I remember..beautiful renderings of ready room ,etc.Stuff that isn't in Il-2 ( or badly done in CFS3...)

major_setback
04-14-2006, 04:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
Way OT:
Major Setback- All this time I figured it was you in the 109...silly me I guess....so what happened next?Honestlt I can never hit an aircraft that is doing aileron rolls in front of me,& waste alot of ammo trying!!!
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Others have made the same mistake. He (the pilot of the 109) is having a bit of a setback! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

There's not really much to it, this was taken from a quick mission made for the purpose of taking screenshots. The 109's rolls were slowed by his damage, so he was easy to hit with more shots, we did a quick scissors and I managed to tuck in behind him and hit him a bit more. He pulled up violently in order to get away, but ran right into a hail of bullets which must have killed the pilot. He just keeled over and ploughed into the ground...in a wonderful shower of flames and debris!

Re rolls: If a pilot is doing tight rolls I fill the general are with bullets. But with larger barrel rolls I just wait till he's done the full 360* and try to anticipate where he'll be at the end of each roll, keeping my sights fixed there, and firing as he comes into them.

BTW. Who's that in the photo in your signature picture?

jamesdietz
04-14-2006, 09:59 AM
Believe it or not its from an old ( probably April '41) LIFE Magazine,that deals with the success of Stukas around Crete.I don't know who shot it , or who it is...but it does look like a bit like they got a model from Tuetonic central casting doesn't it??? He probably rest deep in the Adriatic or under the Black Earth of Russland now...
Since I fly a lot of German hardware I thought his image apt...Oh yeah I look a little like him too..esp when i put on goggles & flying helmet to play this game....
Yes my wife thinks I'm nuts....too!

Chuck_Older
04-14-2006, 10:32 AM
LIFE did a whole lot of stuff folks forget about. They also showed a whole lot of images that people whoudl swear that LIFE wouldn't have shown in the '40s, for instance.

I found this online, and I was very surprised by what they showed and how the presented it. Not a lot of jingoistic rah-rah stuff, pretty much facts, whether pleasant or not, althougn still a bit flavored by national feelings:

http://www.us-aircraft.com/flying_tigers_in_burma.htm

GAU-8
04-14-2006, 07:22 PM
well i havent reloaded it yet, but IIRC this was the game that had excellent "squiggles" for tracer fire. now I DO know that bullets fire straight, byt your moving, the aircraft is moving, and the gun is moving. so YES I think SQUIGGLES should represent tracer fire, just like you see in the war camera films http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

the models for the German aircraft and U,S, were quite horrendous that i can remember. ill see if i can find the disk.....its not in my box http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

it had a few items that i am really surpised that havent been adopted into many other flight sims, if at all. ill go try to find the disk

GoToAway
04-15-2006, 06:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GAU-8:
well i havent reloaded it yet, but IIRC this was the game that had excellent "squiggles" for tracer fire. now I DO know that bullets fire straight, byt your moving, the aircraft is moving, and the gun is moving. so YES I think SQUIGGLES should represent tracer fire, just like you see in the war camera films http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>The ONLY reason you see squiggles is because the camera was vibrating because of the gun. It does not look like that to the human eye at all. It is completely unrealistic, unless we're supposed to be flying as cheap, poorly mounted cameras inches away from firing guns instead of pilots.

If you'd like to see how tracers actually look when the camera filming them isn't inches away from the weapon firing them:
http://www.zid.ru/video/IDEX05_Kord4.mpg

jamesdietz
04-15-2006, 09:35 AM
GAU-8-
If you find it Maybe you could send a few screen shots of the aircraft & interiors...??? I only played it once & the interior of the B-17 didn't look as good as promised.It was disappointing enough that I immediately uninstalled it...but maybe it was just my PC?

GoToAway- interesting vid...I wonder what tracers look like from shaking cockpit of a vintage fighter?Seriously does anyone know if they appear to be going staight , or bounce a bit? I know they appear to "curve" coming at you ,because of the convergance factor , but I've never heard a description from the cockpit...

GoToAway
04-15-2006, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jamesdietz:
GoToAway- interesting vid...I wonder what tracers look like from shaking cockpit of a vintage fighter?Seriously does anyone know if they appear to be going staight , or bounce a bit? I know they appear to "curve" coming at you ,because of the convergance factor , but I've never heard a description from the cockpit... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Everything I've read says they're straight.

It makes sense, really. Think about it in terms of a car. If you were to put a camcorder on the dash board and drive around, the resulting video would be very bumpy from the various vibrations affecting the car (imagine how something like oncoming headlights would appear on the video.) However, as you drive, you don't see anything like that because your body and eyes compensate for the vibrations. If they didn't, you'd never be able to focus while moving. It seems to me that it would be the same for tracer fire.


I like your work, by the way. Most aircraft paintings don't usually show any action on the ground. It's interesting to see scenes like that.

GAU-8
04-16-2006, 12:40 AM
gotoaway..

im not against anything you say. in fact i stated the EXACT same things YOU stated...completely before you said it. all i mentioned was "should represent" if you read your post, then re-read mine, youll see I had all my bases covered, BEFORE you misunderstood me.

2 things though

1. your video is of a STATIC camera, a few feet away from a STATIC gun. im talking about WWII aircraft and WWII ERA cameras.

2.there was a lot of vibration in the air, the air moving itself, the projectiles moving, the aircraft moving, and the camera moving. thats a lot of movement. it will be different when a rickety camera is behind a vibrating gun in the air.


not angry, all i said was i like them (squiggles). i didnt say it realistic or not. i agree with your thoughts though, but i feel you concentrated on my "squiggles represent" part rather than reading the facts i had actually stated in teh same post.

GAU-8
04-16-2006, 02:05 AM
ok....

cough cough....

this sim has not aged gracefully http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

whats sad is that the background music is good!

the intro was simply done, but made you want to play it.

all of the screens before "suiting up" were really nice. then the game starts..

cough cough..the cockpit, yeah..thats it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2459.jpg

some asst. shots

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2458.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2448.jpg

the 109...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2455.jpg

and its cockpit

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2454.jpg
external view

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2452.jpg[/IMG
]

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2449.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v205/GAU-8/100_2451.jpg


sigh.. i had better hopes for this...but NAAAW.

oh BTW.this is NOT the sim that had the squiggle tracers.... which one was that???

jamesdietz
04-16-2006, 09:42 AM
It still looks better than CFS3 at least in these screen shots ...of course thats not saying a lot!