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269GA-Veltro
03-10-2004, 02:29 AM
100 Kg bombs.

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR420.JPG

50 Kg bombs (not 4 but only 2...at least here).

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR422.JPG

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR421.JPG

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269GA-Veltro
03-10-2004, 02:29 AM
100 Kg bombs.

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR420.JPG

50 Kg bombs (not 4 but only 2...at least here).

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR422.JPG

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR421.JPG

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P.S.: looking for others.

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Oleg_Maddox
03-10-2004, 02:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Veltro:
100 Kg bombs.

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR420.JPG

50 Kg bombs (not 4 but only 2...at least here).

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR422.JPG

http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR421.JPG

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P.S.: looking for others.

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What the names of these bombs? I mean Italian designation.

The second one thing. We program the bombs but not Xanty.

As I told already several times any new weapon need a lot of time to make into a code. It isn't easy really. So it takes a time.

In add-on we plan to add german bombs at least on CR.42. There were used on these planes in LW and Hungary at least.
With Italian bombs - if the time will allow us, becasue it will need really additional programming.

SUPERAEREO
03-10-2004, 02:48 AM
Brilliant pictures Veltro (even if they almost made my dialup computer at work freeze...), can't wait to have Italian planes able to do some mudmoving..!

S!

269GA-Veltro
03-10-2004, 03:00 AM
Ok Oleg i'm looking for Italian designation...if you have time to do it thank you very much, if you don't have time thank you very much however, NP http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Oleg i've post to Xanty because he has asked for some pics, i know about code ecc. ecc.. Sorry. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Best Regards.

P.S.: ASP i'll replay to your answer.

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Abraxa
03-10-2004, 03:35 AM
a quite neat view of the Italian 100 kg bombs, in front of a Falco.
I'll furtherly search for their designation.

http://www.regiaaeronautica.it/aerei/immagini/aerei/caccia/cr42_10.JPG

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269GA-Veltro
03-10-2004, 03:38 AM
The CR 42 "assault" italian version is quite different from the CR 42 "normal" version:

http://www.asso4stormo.it/web/cig/cig02.jpg

Two weapon stations, not four, and a little anti-sand filter under the noise. It was designated simply as:
-FIAT CR 42 "bombe-alari"- (bombs-wings..i mean; it does mean "bombs under the wings").

This is a good pic for the "anti-sand filter".

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/falco_27.jpg


I'm looking for bombs designation.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-10-2004, 03:45 AM
Very interesting stuff. Thanks XANTY and Veltro. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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269GA-Veltro
03-10-2004, 04:08 AM
Thank Luthors! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Ok Oleg, waiting for bombs designation, we can't simple add bombs to AEP CR 42, at least for the italian version,......we used a different version of it for assault missions, quite different but different.

So if Xanty has time to make an anti-sand filter in the 3D model, and you time to put it in AEP we could have also the italian assault version.

So we have:

FIAT CR 42 (AEP): pure fighter.
FIAT CR 42 "bombe-alari": fighter-bomber, with two weapon stations and anti-sand filter as default configuration, with or without bombs.

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269GA-Veltro
03-11-2004, 01:12 AM
http://www.jg27.de/cr42,a.JPG

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F19_Olli72
03-11-2004, 02:11 AM
Well there was a Cr 42 CB (wich the AS was based on). Converted from the CR.42, fitted with 2 underwing racks for 2 Ӕ 220 lb (100 kg) or 2 Ӕ 110 lb (50 kg). "CB" stands for "Caccia Bombardiere" (fighter-bomber)

Fiat CR.42AS Falco: Based on the CR.42CB, fitted with tropical dust/sand filters."AS" stands for "Africa Settentioniale" (North Africa)

So afik the AS variant was just a tropical variant of the CB (fighter bomber). So technically maybe Xanty wouldnt have to model the sandfilter of the AS? And this info is just from an online source, not confirmed in any way...

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269GA-Veltro
03-11-2004, 02:28 AM
No, you're right. CB is a modified fighter with two weapon stations; AS is the "new" standard assault model: two weapon stations and one anti-sand filter.

CR 42 CB was the first, and AS the new standard; if you prefer CB was the first mod, AS the new standard; this because we need, of coure, more fire-power in North Africa than in other place.

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F19_Olli72
03-11-2004, 02:38 AM
I thought that Cr42 and firepower was an oxymoron http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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269GA-Veltro
03-11-2004, 02:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:
I thought that Cr42 and firepower was an oxymoron http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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...definitly yes, but two little bombs are better than nothing.

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xanty
03-11-2004, 03:18 AM
Hi all:

Thanks for the pics. Many I had seen before. But it is nice anyway.

Now, not to be rude, but what I only need is credible solid refference that the CR.42 used 4xSD50s by the german LW. I have seen it mentioned on some publications, but no actual photos were included them. So, any Falco with 4x50kgs bombs?

As for the changes, well, the sand filter was used on North Afrika, and was added to the AS (africa septentrionale) variant, just as the hurricanes and Spits got a sand filter. It also had the bomb-racks. However, not all the fighter-bombers used the filter, and since we are not in North Afrika, the AS was not included in the game.

I did model it, as well as some other stuff like long exhaust (night fighter) and no wheel-spats (removed gear cover for muddy places) as it was just not worth the addition of more code and variants. Don't as Oleg why, I decided it.

And now, trust Oleg into making what he can to put bombs in it. He may not include the All-new 100Kgs bombs, but he can do the SD70 that is used by LW already. Time will tell...

Now, for your indulgence:
http://www.silence.plus.com/xanty/stuff/Cr.42AS.jpg

Regards

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269GA-Veltro
03-11-2004, 03:42 AM
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Heeee Xanty is great!!! Would be great have it...but i understand, NP.

For the german bombs (4x50) we are looking for...

Thank for the pic, very beautifull..perfect!

Best Regards.

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F19_Olli72
03-11-2004, 07:00 AM
Oh well, it wouldve been cool to have those versions as well. But i guess sometimes less is more. Oh Xanty if you could just model the skis too......;
http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/images/j11_5.jpg
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xanty
03-11-2004, 01:39 PM
HI Olli:

I was going to model them too (skis), but only Sweeden used them (local mod) and since we have no sweedish markings or anything...what was the point...

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F19_Olli72
03-11-2004, 02:21 PM
Well i didnt expect skis anyways (hence the joke), but one point of use could be a 'what if' scenario. You know, some J11's were intended to be sent to Finland http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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269GA-Veltro
03-14-2004, 02:32 PM
Italian bombs designation:

100 Kg: 100-M & 100-T

50 Kg: 50-T

T is "torpedine" (torpedo) and M is "mina" (mine); full name is "Bomba torpedine" and "bomba mina".

More info soon.

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[This message was edited by Veltro on Mon March 15 2004 at 01:10 AM.]

xanty
03-14-2004, 05:00 PM
Thanks Veltro!

I look forward to see more. :-)

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Wetwilly87
03-14-2004, 10:58 PM
Hey Xanty, nice work on the Falco, I love it. Except for the fire power part. You think we can get the CR-42bis, with the two extra Mg's underneith the wings?

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269GA-Veltro
03-15-2004, 01:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Veltro:
Italian bombs designation:

100 Kg: 100-M & 100-T

50 Kg: 50-T

T is "torpedine" (torpedo) and M is "mina" (mine); full name is "Bomba torpedine" and "bomba mina".

More info soon.

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Now, explosive, colors and targets.

Explosive.
100-M: 79 kg (case) + 27,3 kg (TNT) or 25,4 kg (amatolo);

100-T: 79 kg (case) + 42,5 kg (TNT) or 46,5 Kg (amatolo)

50-T: total weight 69,31 Kg with 29,2 Kg (TNT)

Color:
100-M: pale gray (case); red (ogive).

100-T: pale gray (case); pale blue (ogive).

50-T: pale blue (case and ogive).


Targets:
100-M: roads, rail-way; light-ship ecc. ecc..

100-T: structure, heay-ship ecc. ecc..

50-T: all.

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[This message was edited by Veltro on Mon March 15 2004 at 01:11 AM.]

269GA-Veltro
03-15-2004, 09:45 AM
This is a very interesting link, in english, about biplane fighter in WW2: CR 42 and Gladiator included.

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/index.html

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xanty
03-16-2004, 04:07 AM
Hi Veltro:

Thanks for that.

Yes, that Biplanes link is very good indeed. A good resoruce. In fact, it is the first place I saw the refference to 4x50kg bombs used by luftwaffe.

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Gunner_361st
03-16-2004, 08:06 AM
Bombs for the CR42 would be great. Bombs for the Hurricane and Spitfire would be excellent too, but this is for another thread, haha. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

The 2x 12.7mm ain't bad! May not be great but it can do the job. I actually managed to shoot a JU-52's wing off with a good solid burst on wingroot, hehe.

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