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raaaid
06-16-2007, 08:32 AM
you would control plane remotely have a trackir controlled camera and shoot with a laser

anybody does this?

raaaid
06-16-2007, 08:32 AM
you would control plane remotely have a trackir controlled camera and shoot with a laser

anybody does this?

Cajun76
06-16-2007, 08:37 AM
Currently the only airborne laser capable of bringing down other objects is taking up most of the space in a 747.

Even Predators don't have track IR type vision capability for the pilot, AFAIK.

dbillo
06-16-2007, 08:57 AM
I've heard of model airplane dogfights, in which each plane had a paper streamer attached to the tail, and the object was to cut off your opponent's streamer with your plane's propeller.

There's probably some kind of gun small and light enough to go in a model airplane, but aiming such a thing accurately would be very difficult.

raaaid
06-16-2007, 09:00 AM
XD

i mean a laser and a sensor

you dont have to destroy your oponent plane just mark it with a laser long enough to win expelling the marked plane smoke that wouldnt be real harm just smoke from a bottle

the planes would have a camera that the pilot would see on a screen and he could rotate and zoom the camera with trackir

the real thing but all safe at land

DooDaH2007
06-16-2007, 09:19 AM
can be done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGToRphxgJM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ZXnoKbxx8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--a1oeGSFY

raaaid
06-16-2007, 09:30 AM
i posted once that the prpeller should be affected by the strobo effect as in the video

as in reality you would have a better knowledge of the speed whith which it is spinning

DooDaH2007
06-16-2007, 09:37 AM
isn't strobo effect only in video's..?

WhtBoy
06-16-2007, 10:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
XD

i mean a laser and a sensor

you dont have to destroy your oponent plane just mark it with a laser long enough to win expelling the marked plane smoke that wouldnt be real harm just smoke from a bottle

the planes would have a camera that the pilot would see on a screen and he could rotate and zoom the camera with trackir

the real thing but all safe at land </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Such an event is called "combat" and was originally done with control line aircraft. It's much easier b/c both pilots are in the center.

Doing it with R/C is much more difficult but the concept is the same, ie cut the other pilot's crepe paper streamer. I don't know how much has been done with remote view, however, the AMA has forbidden the use of cameras to direct the flight of an R/C aircraft. Since the AMA is the major provider of liability insurance for modelers in the U.S., this decision has made a significant dent in the use of the technology here.

Lasers xmitters/receivers and smoke bottles and their associated piping/power requirements are expensive and heavy. Not many people want to spend the time and money on a model big enough to carry all that and then place it in harms way.

The crepe paper streamers are 99% as good and can be placed on just about any model.

--Outlaw.

Jagdgeschwader2
06-16-2007, 11:32 AM
Raaaid I build 1/16 R/C tanks and we use IR to fight. The IR emitter is installed in the turrent. When an opponent is hit the onboard computer registers the hit and stops the tank. I've not installed mine into my Tiger I yet. I need to find a way to hide the IR unit without having to drill out the coaxial machinegun. Anyway I'm sure someone could figure out how to set it up to release smoke on a 1/4 scale aircraft. The range of the emitter would need to be increased too. I for one would not spend hundreds of hours building an aircraft of that scale to risk crashing it while fighting though. I'm sure that it could be done. Cost of IR unit is $80.00 US.

This is an overview of the system. Note the range graph at the bottom of the page.

http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/53447battle_system/battle_system.htm


My beast. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif
http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/imfg0455.jpg

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

WhtBoy
06-16-2007, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
Raaaid I build 1/16 R/C tanks and we use IR to fight. The IR emitter is installed in the turrent. When an opponent is hit the onboard computer registers the hit and stops the tank. I've not installed mine into my Tiger I yet. I need to find a way to hide the IR unit without having to drill out the coaxial machinegun. Anyway I'm sure someone could figure out how to set it up to release smoke on a 1/4 scale aircraft. The range of the emitter would need to be increased too. I for one would not spend hundreds of hours building an aircraft of that scale to risk crashing it while fighting though. I'm sure that it could be done. Cost of IR unit is $80.00 US.

This is an overview of the system. Note the range graph at the bottom of the page.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOW, a 1/4 scale aircraft is HUGE. There's probably less than 25 hobbyists in the world that have built a 1/4 scale R/C aircraft.

Inexpensive IR probabaly wouldn't work well for aircraft due to the sun.

--Outlaw.

Jagdgeschwader2
06-16-2007, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WhtBoy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jagdgeschwader2:
Raaaid I build 1/16 R/C tanks and we use IR to fight. The IR emitter is installed in the turrent. When an opponent is hit the onboard computer registers the hit and stops the tank. I've not installed mine into my Tiger I yet. I need to find a way to hide the IR unit without having to drill out the coaxial machinegun. Anyway I'm sure someone could figure out how to set it up to release smoke on a 1/4 scale aircraft. The range of the emitter would need to be increased too. I for one would not spend hundreds of hours building an aircraft of that scale to risk crashing it while fighting though. I'm sure that it could be done. Cost of IR unit is $80.00 US.

This is an overview of the system. Note the range graph at the bottom of the page.

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

WOW, a 1/4 scale aircraft is HUGE. There's probably less than 25 hobbyists in the world that have built a 1/4 scale R/C aircraft.

Inexpensive IR probabaly wouldn't work well for aircraft due to the sun.

--Outlaw. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

1/4 scale is is quite common today. Many are going to electric motors.

Check out this I-16 it's electric powered.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1078130343012442885FOdtHy

http://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/jagdgeschwader2s3.jpg

Daiichidoku
06-16-2007, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
you would control plane remotely have a trackir controlled camera and shoot with a laser

anybody does this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

raaaid, wtf?

ive been thinking of this for days now

RC planes with cams (and paint or bb guns mounted, natch!) so one can fly a pseudo-real-virtual DF on laptop

bastige!

Brownba
06-16-2007, 02:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
you would control plane remotely have a trackir controlled camera and shoot with a laser

anybody does this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

raaaid, wtf?

ive been thinking of this for days now

RC planes with cams (and paint or bb guns mounted, natch!) so one can fly a pseudo-real-virtual DF on laptop

bastige! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here's a bb gun for you! Probably not going to fit it on an RC aircraft though. http://youtube.com/watch?v=9i-Eht5-JSQ

Choctaw111
06-16-2007, 03:24 PM
I have done this with the streamers already but according to AMA rules you cannot put any projectile firing apparatus into an RC airplane which is a shame (but understandable). I would have liked to have done that under controlled circumstances to have some great fun with as I was working on a nice design for a small sized BB machine gun a couple years back.

Urufu_Shinjiro
06-16-2007, 07:09 PM
Guys, there are some small and relatively inexpensive r/c aircraft with laser systems for dogfighting. I have seen them while searching hobby e-tailers for beginner r/c warbirds. They were optional modules that were very small and attached to the belly of the plane. They made the controls cut out for a fraction of a second, long enough to know you were hit but not so long you cannot recover.


Here, found it: http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Hobby_Zone_Aerobird_Xtreme_p/hbz6500.htm
It's in the features list, fifth one down.

Airmail109
06-16-2007, 07:21 PM
Track IR style R dogfighting has been done

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxAOxxmubEQ

They use Wireless HMDs with headtrackers

Im considering building a warbird one

WhtBoy
06-16-2007, 07:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Urufu_Shinjiro:
Guys, there are some small and relatively inexpensive r/c aircraft with laser systems for dogfighting. I have seen them while searching hobby e-tailers for beginner r/c warbirds. They were optional modules that were very small and attached to the belly of the plane. They made the controls cut out for a fraction of a second, long enough to know you were hit but not so long you cannot recover.


Here, found it: http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Hobby_Zone_Aerobird_Xtreme_p/hbz6500.htm
It's in the features list, fifth one down. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you're talking about the sonic combat module, that's not a laser. It emits, not suprisingly, a "sonic blast" with an effective range up to 80'. Also, it only cuts engine power, not maneuvering capability. Nonetheless it's an amazing technology. I'm going to do some more research when I get a chance. I'm especially interested in how directional it is.

--Outlaw.

Airmail109
06-16-2007, 07:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--a1oeGSFY

That video rocks

Give them 10 years and they'll have mini air to air missiles lol

Stew278
06-16-2007, 07:41 PM
About 15 years ago when I'd been looking into building RC aircraft I remember seeing equipment for mock combat. I think it was IR lasers and detectors you'd add onto the plane. When your plane got "hit" it would trigger the release of smoke.

Adding cameras for a 1st person view like in those vids has got to be really take $$$. I'd hate to crash one of those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Airmail109
06-16-2007, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stew278:
About 15 years ago when I'd been looking into building RC aircraft I remember seeing equipment for mock combat. I think it was IR lasers and detectors you'd add onto the plane. When your plane got "hit" it would trigger the release of smoke.

Adding cameras for a 1st person view like in those vids has got to be really take $$$. I'd hate to crash one of those http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

nahhh about 400 dollars so not mega bucks, for an entry level kit

some rc website is selling headtracking hmds now for 250 dollars

the bit on the planes doesnt cost that much:

1) Tilting servo cam mount 50 dollars
2) Camera 30 dollars
3) Wireless reciever and transmitter anywhere between 50 to 400 dollars

Cost depends on what range you want, some guys have put together systems with a range of 8 miles, and a gps system that gives them a moving map display whilst flying

Anyay google Radio Control FPV

There are some amazing FPV videos on the net, flying over tropical islands and such with R/C Aircraft

Im asking myself why bother spending a grand on a new system for BOB when I could do this instead

AFter years of flying sims and a bit of R/C flying, Id have to be a total idiot to crash an FPV areoplane. In fact I think its a great idea for expensive warbirds