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WildeSau
11-07-2004, 12:12 PM
Can someone tell me the difference between the Hawk81, the Tomahawk and the P-40?

The Hawk81 is way good with it's 6 MGs and not so bad turning abilities - which one prefer you?

Thanks.

WildeSau

A.K.Davis
11-07-2004, 12:22 PM
P-40 history (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40.html)

WildeSau
11-07-2004, 12:27 PM
thanks - interesting read.

Why were there no of the other Marks than the Hawk81 being fitted with 6 MGs - they seem to be quiet good and the flying capabilites of the plane are not bad because of them.

Nige_Reconman
11-07-2004, 12:50 PM
I like flying the P-40's they are quit robust and are easy to fly. Sure it can't outturn a zero and it has a low ammo count, yet i enjoy flying them in PF.
It's a craft where your piloting skill shows then more highly performed craft which can give you a false sense of security.

WildeSau
11-07-2004, 12:56 PM
Nige_Reconman - you are right with this. Which one are you flying most? I am prefering the Hawk81 because of its firepower.

Nige_Reconman
11-07-2004, 01:01 PM
The p-40C, i find it suits my playstyle a little better. I'm interested in trying to find a version that has better climb capabilities though ( if there is any better in the p-40 series.)

Jetenginedr
11-07-2004, 01:16 PM
How about this one..lol

http://www.cvcycles.com/jetfixer/p40-3.jpg

A.K.Davis
11-07-2004, 01:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildeSau:
thanks - interesting read.

Why were there no of the other Marks than the Hawk81 being fitted with 6 MGs - they seem to be quiet good and the flying capabilites of the plane are not bad because of them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hawk 81 A-2 was the export version of the P-40B. Both had 6 MGs, but the export version used .303-inch Brownings instead of US .30s in the wings. Hawk 81 A-2, Tomahawk IIB, P-40B and P-40C all had essentially the same armament. Some Tomahawk IIAs (also called Hawk 81 A-2s), however, appear to have been delivered with only one .30-inch MG in each wing.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The deferred deliveries of the P-40 to the USAAAC were picked up again with the P-40B. In September 1940, 131 P-40Bs were procured by the Army to replace the deferred P-40s The P-40B (Model H81-B) differed from the P-40 in having an extra 0.30-inch machine gun in each wing, bringing the total to four 0.30-inch guns in the wings. The two 0.50-inch guns in the fuselage were retained. The engine was still the V-1710-33. Serials were 41-5205/5304 and 41-13297/13327 (c/ns 15973/16103).

The first P-40B flew on March 13, 1941. The airplanes were delivered in full camouflage. In contrast to the earlier P-40, the tail stripes and upper right and lower port wing stars were no longer present, but a star now appeared on each side of the fuselage. The P-40B retained the same dimensions of the P-40, but weight was increased to 5590 pounds empty, 7326 pounds gross, and 7600 pounds maximum loaded. Because of the additional weight, the P-40B had an inferior performance to the P-40, maximum speed being 352 mph, service ceiling being 32,400 feet, and initial climb rate being 2860 feet per minute. Normal range was 730 miles, but a maximum range of 1230 miles could be attained at the minimum cruise settings.

The export equivalent of the P-40B was the Tomahawk IIA (Model H81-A2). They differed from the American version by having the wing guns replaced by four 0.303-inch Brownings. 110 were produced for the RAF. RAF serials were AH881/990. 23 of these planes were transferred to the USSR, and one (AH938) went to Canada as an instructional airframe.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As interesting sidenote, the Russians often removed the wing MGs from their lend-lease P-40B/Cs, retaining only the two cowl-mounted .50s in exchange for increased performance.

WildeSau
11-07-2004, 01:32 PM
thanks A.K. Davis - this is what makes the hughe firepower - the 6 .303 inch MGs are much more devasting than the others.

A.K.Davis
11-07-2004, 01:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildeSau:
thanks A.K. Davis - this is what makes the hughe firepower - the 6 .303 inch MGs are much more devasting than the others. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No P-40 had 6 .303s. 2 x .50s and 4 x .303 or .30 for most early P-40s.

WildeSau
11-07-2004, 01:51 PM
is it then just imagination that I have a more devasting firepower with the Hawk81 than in the other P40s in AEP/PF?

A.K.Davis
11-07-2004, 02:48 PM
Yes, that would be your imagination.

JG53Frankyboy
11-07-2004, 02:59 PM
the queation is more if there is any performance difference between these 5 planes ?!

Chuck_Older
11-07-2004, 03:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildeSau:
is it then just imagination that I have a more devasting firepower with the Hawk81 than in the other P40s in AEP/PF? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It might seem that way because of the cowl mounted guns. You might be getting more hits because your personal style favors cowl weapons, and/or your convergance needs adjusting

Chuck_Older
11-07-2004, 03:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the queation is more if there is any performance difference between these 5 planes ?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, yes. They got faster, don't you know, as time went on

3.JG51_BigBear
11-07-2004, 03:20 PM
That isn't really true. The planes actually degraded in peformance. The Hawk 81 is basically the p-40B or the Tomahawk 2a. The P-40C and the tomahawk 2b are basically the same airplanes. The second series, p-40c and the tomahawk 2b, had better self-sealing fuel tanks and extra armour, along with the ability to carry a bomb, drop tanks, whatever. Like other early American planes, weight was added with no increases in horse power so performance decreased. The same can be said of my favorite bird, the Brewster Buffalo.

Chuck_Older
11-08-2004, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
That isn't really true. The planes actually degraded in peformance. The Hawk 81 is basically the p-40B or the Tomahawk 2a. The P-40C and the tomahawk 2b are basically the same airplanes. The second series, p-40c and the tomahawk 2b, had better self-sealing fuel tanks and extra armour, along with the ability to carry a bomb, drop tanks, whatever. Like other early American planes, weight was added with no increases in horse power so performance decreased. The same can be said of my favorite bird, the Brewster Buffalo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No increase in horsepower in the P-40, from P-40A to P-40N? Are you sure? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DRB_Hookech0
11-08-2004, 07:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WildeSau:
Can someone tell me the difference between the Hawk81, the Tomahawk and the P-40? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

One word......Liecencing!

"Look the P40 has the inside deflection shot......Oh look at that...Slam-a-lama (gong sounds) Ding ****.....that Zeke is in flames!"

JG53Frankyboy
11-08-2004, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
the queation is more if there is any performance difference between these 5 planes ?! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, yes. They got faster, don't you know, as time went on <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, i think i have to wait for the new compare programm fpr PF to gest a serious answer , thx

3.JG51_BigBear
11-08-2004, 12:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 3.JG51_BigBear:
That isn't really true. The planes actually degraded in peformance. The Hawk 81 is basically the p-40B or the Tomahawk 2a. The P-40C and the tomahawk 2b are basically the same airplanes. The second series, p-40c and the tomahawk 2b, had better self-sealing fuel tanks and extra armour, along with the ability to carry a bomb, drop tanks, whatever. Like other early American planes, weight was added with no increases in horse power so performance decreased. The same can be said of my favorite bird, the Brewster Buffalo. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No increase in horsepower in the P-40, from P-40A to P-40N? Are you sure? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got me there. I was just talking about the Hawk, P40b and P40c.

Chuck_Older
11-08-2004, 03:32 PM
Ah, I think I misunderstood.