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TogaLive
08-15-2007, 04:39 PM
FIRST OF ALL THIS IS A NO-FLAMING TOPIC.

Ok, I know what all of you are thinking..."Great, now even Toga's gone off the deep end" lol; but I'm actually being serious about this. I'm curious what some of your guys' thoughts are on time travel (Relevant to E=Mc2) or not. So feel free to post up any theories or concepts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif All I ask is that you guys try to keep it relatively serious, because really when you think about it, its something that could be a huge tool to humanity; and god knows we need it.

I'll explain my idea in a bit, but right now I dont have enough time to type it up before i've got to go to work.

TogaLive
08-15-2007, 04:39 PM
FIRST OF ALL THIS IS A NO-FLAMING TOPIC.

Ok, I know what all of you are thinking..."Great, now even Toga's gone off the deep end" lol; but I'm actually being serious about this. I'm curious what some of your guys' thoughts are on time travel (Relevant to E=Mc2) or not. So feel free to post up any theories or concepts http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif All I ask is that you guys try to keep it relatively serious, because really when you think about it, its something that could be a huge tool to humanity; and god knows we need it.

I'll explain my idea in a bit, but right now I dont have enough time to type it up before i've got to go to work.

Phreaky_McGeek
08-15-2007, 04:41 PM
As much as I think "oh man, I wish I could go back and stop ___ from happening", I never would. The thing is IMHO, no matter how much we theorise about it, there's no telling what could happen if the fabric of time was modified.

SCARFACE_47
08-15-2007, 04:51 PM
3 things about it:
i allways or sometimes think of just reversing time a few seconds just to e.g. prevent falling the milk or etc
2. i would prevent the deaths of brandon lee and Tupac and travel back to punch hitler in the nuts
3. i also had a loooooong discussion with a friend and she thought abput holding the time, not just slow it down, but to frezze everything
in the end we came to the conclusion i would cut of too many people´s hair for fun

ps. being empress of time would be cool

Phreaky_McGeek
08-15-2007, 05:08 PM
Freezing time for everyone but yourself was always something I'd love to have, there's been so many times in a science lesson where I'd think "i could so take a piss in his coffee right now" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Pappy1193
08-15-2007, 06:19 PM
I honestly belive that stoping certain events ex.(WW2,Pearl Harbor,9-11,etc.) that we would mess time up like if we stopped pearl harbor then our naval power probally wouldn't be as powerful as it is, also i think that most european countries might be speaking german, i'm not saying that america saved europe i think russia saved europe(i'm american) i think if america never joined then ASIA would have lost there butts not the UK and France

chewie1890
08-15-2007, 06:24 PM
Only problem I have with time travel is this:

If we were able to travel through time it means that everything we're doing right now has already been written down in history books and therefore our 'free will' is non-existent.

If someone from the future came back and I believed he was from the future I'd probably have a breakdown because that would mean that all my decisions are pre-plotted and I can do nothing about them.

sireatsalot91
08-15-2007, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chewie1890:
Only problem I have with time travel is this:

If we were able to travel through time it means that everything we're doing right now has already been written down in history books and therefore our 'free will' is non-existent.

If someone from the future came back and I believed he was from the future I'd probably have a breakdown because that would mean that all my decisions are pre-plotted and I can do nothing about them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, thats right, and that would be totally correct if the proffessors from Oxford were right. They say that there is a 20% chance that we are actually living in a digital world or a simulator of some sort.

Robbinho1992
08-15-2007, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sireatsalot91:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chewie1890:
Only problem I have with time travel is this:

If we were able to travel through time it means that everything we're doing right now has already been written down in history books and therefore our 'free will' is non-existent.

If someone from the future came back and I believed he was from the future I'd probably have a breakdown because that would mean that all my decisions are pre-plotted and I can do nothing about them. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea, thats right, and that would be totally correct if the proffessors from Oxford were right. They say that there is a 20% chance that we are actually living in a digital world or a simulator of some sort. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Matrix FTW! Would love to be in the matrix....

On-topic: Time Travel is pluasable, nut most lily impossible to be able to do, having to go throguh time and space, which could inevtably make a tear in the balance of the universe and destroy us all. Its a bad Thing reveling in things that should not be changed, Dont Mess with Destiny. Have you never watched the Simpsons Episode where homer makes his toaster a Time Machine,dont want that to happen.

TogaLive
08-15-2007, 11:52 PM
Ok I really dont have long until I have to go again, but I'll post up a very short version of my theory.

According to E=Mc2 (I think, might be another one) time travel is infact impossible, atleast going forward in time, backwards is a whole other story. When you think about it matter cannot be created or destroyed except for in a state of Quantum Foam (really complicated). So basically according to that equation the speed of time is the same as the speed of light, so if you ever went faster then the speed of light, you would be traveling forward in time. But that means that if you traveled faster then light/time you would become E or energy. And since energy does not have a direct form, then you would simply become a flash of light and heat as your energy is being released (heat and light are the most basic forms in which energy can be released), since it is now more then Mc2. Pretty simple when you think about it, but at the same time complicated. If you need any clarification then just ask.

Oh and Quantum Foam is the state in which matter is about to take action, and does take action, in which matter can be spontaneously created or destroyed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Aka the answer to the Big Bang if its applied correctly, but then again I dont believe in the Big Bang, so for now I will leave its answer as Peanut Butter and Jelly.

Oh and I suggest some of you research the time travel system used in Star Treck (think its that one) because it would actually work since you are condensing time in front of the present aka shortening the future for a split second as you pass through it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif More useless info I guess lol But seriously, look it up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Yeah, confusing I know; especially when you think about why a sophmore would know incredibly useless things like this lol But then again I figured that out in 8th grade so who knows, mabey I forgot a portion or something.

noobfun
08-16-2007, 12:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TogaLive:
so if you ever went faster then the speed of light, you would be traveling forward in time. But that means that if you traveled faster then light/time you would become E or energy. And since energy does not have a direct form, then you would simply become a flash of light and heat as your energy is being released (heat and light are the most basic forms in which energy can be released),


Oh and I suggest some of you research the time travel system used in Star Treck (think its that one) because it would actually work since you are condensing time in front of the present aka shortening the future for a split second as you pass through it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif More useless info I guess lol But seriously, look it up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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didnt Einstein say that anything approaching the speed of light would become increasingly dense until it altered its state in to energy which would then travel AT the speed of light ... not faster as you said above

and i think you mean the warp drive not time travel engine (they dont got one silly)

it bends space around the ship so it surfs on a wave of space time allowing it to travel faster then light without becoming energy and scattering through the universe

it doesnt let them travel in time just get places fast

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pappy1193: I also i think that most european countries might be speaking german, i'm not saying that america saved europe i think russia saved europe(i'm american) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the uk saved its self from invasion (battle of britain) which meant not all of the german military machine could be thrown at russia. if russia had fallen the uk would have had the full force of the luftwaffe to cripple it operation seal-lion would have gone ahead (think d-day in reverse leaving france landing in uk)

project amerika bomber would have gone ahead, and new york and washington would have been the first 2 cities to have atom bombs dropped on them (plans for an american invasion havnt been found, canadaian plans were though so not hard to guess who was next) much of the usa is flat and open like europe so perfect for the german blitzkgrieg tactics

1/2 the world speaks japanese the other 1/2 speaks german, hows that for a realistic alternate reality

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by sireatsalot91: Yea, thats right, and that would be totally correct if the proffessors from Oxford were right. They say that there is a 20% chance that we are actually living in a digital world or a simulator of some sort. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

oxford proffessors also say 97% of statistics are made up to fit the argument's need

TogaLive
08-16-2007, 12:15 AM
see i told ya I probably got things mixed up lol Thanks for pointing those out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Quantum Foam is still some kick *** stuff though lol

noobfun
08-16-2007, 12:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TogaLive:
see i told ya I probably got things mixed up lol Thanks for pointing those out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Quantum Foam is still some kick *** stuff though lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

i dunno im thinking string theory should win theory of the century

"hmmm it doesnt work ..... lets add more strings make up a few more dimensions for them to occupy and say they are too thin to be seen"

"ok re-run it now this will prove us right!!"

AoKH_newIdea
08-16-2007, 01:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">...when you think about it, its something that could be a huge tool to humanity; and god knows we need it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, that's absolutely the last thing humanity needs. If you think we're bad with the time we've been given, just imagine the damage we could do if we were allowed to have a round 2 (and 3, and 4, and so on).

The constant flow of the space-time continuum is just damage control. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

SCARFACE_47
08-16-2007, 04:13 AM
what if you accidently are your OWN GRANDFATHER

ScytheOfGrim
08-16-2007, 04:17 AM
well...time travelling into the past is impossible, cuz it happened and is not happening again...understand?? it's not like there are infinite amounts of times...or "worlds". you are here and you are here. you are only one. you do not have a copy of you living through what happened to you a second ago...get it??? and the travelling into the future is even more confusing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

you cant go into the future cuz you are still in the present. the "future" doesnt exist. why? cuz when the future finally "arrives" it becomes the present. so therefore, if you wished to time travel into the future all you do is live the present!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i should write a sci-fi novel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

AldirTheKnight
08-16-2007, 04:19 AM
that reminds me of an episode from futurama...

GPNM
08-16-2007, 04:21 AM
I'm not sure exactly how it work...but I theorise it to be something like this.

Based on the concept of the wormhole, one end is older than the other (due to time dilation). Therefore, you enter one side (depending on whether you want to go backward or forward) and come out on the other.

The only thing that I see as being a problem, is the fact that I don't think that time is linear. I do believe that there are multiple "paths" of time and that you can't choose which one you go onto when you travel in time.

Phreaky_McGeek
08-16-2007, 05:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
well...time travelling into the past is impossible, cuz it happened and is not happening again...understand?? it's not like there are infinite amounts of times...or "worlds". you are here and you are here. you are only one. you do not have a copy of you living through what happened to you a second ago...get it??? and the travelling into the future is even more confusing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

you cant go into the future cuz you are still in the present. the "future" doesnt exist. why? cuz when the future finally "arrives" it becomes the present. so therefore, if you wished to time travel into the future all you do is live the present!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i should write a sci-fi novel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
What about the parallel universe theory?

ScytheOfGrim
08-16-2007, 06:03 AM
it's wrong http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

im always right.

remember rule #1??? scythe is always correct.

rule #2: in any case that scythe is incorrect, refer to previous rule http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

SCARFACE_47
08-16-2007, 06:09 AM
this is like the one with jet li
it isn´t about the multiverse, it is just beating the snot outta everyone
random guy: but what if...
I: shut up
but ?
smACK YOU IN THE FACE
we need one of those what if machines from futurama
what if scythe was 50meteres high

FableB
08-16-2007, 06:24 AM
I agree with Scythe and the future, you can't travel to the future because there is no future yet, I will put it this way: If you are the only one traveling forward through the time, this means you are the only one with the speed of the light, so the others can't travel with you, can't do things as fast as you are to "Build" the future you are waiting to see.

And should think about the friction you are going to suffer, or the friction the spaceship you are in is going to suffer, you will certainly die, because you are going to be the light...

benthepigeon
08-16-2007, 06:32 AM
Scythe is right, you can't travel into the future coz i hasnt happened yet, and you cant realy be sure what is going to happen (someone could change their mind about something) and, like he said the history has already happened.
I heard somewhere that it is completely impossible to travel faster than light, so it wont happen.
As for the parralel Universe thingy, I dont think that there would be a whole new universe created just for different individual choices, results, events etc, as thats just stupid.

Zarveck112
08-16-2007, 07:26 AM
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2000/07/20/speedlight000720.html

Time-travel not possible? Nothing can move faster than the speed of light?

benthepigeon
08-16-2007, 07:35 AM
sorry, nothing with mass can travel faster than the speed of light, or at least that hasnt been proven wrong yet (as it says in this article). Also from this article:"nothing can go faster than the speed of light in a vacuum" and space is a vacuum (if you didnt know)so you cant travel faster than the speed of light in space.

spazzoo1025
08-16-2007, 09:59 AM
superman did it! lmao

Mazena86
08-16-2007, 10:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ScytheOfGrim:
well...time travelling into the past is impossible, cuz it happened and is not happening again...understand?? it's not like there are infinite amounts of times...or "worlds". you are here and you are here. you are only one. you do not have a copy of you living through what happened to you a second ago...get it??? and the travelling into the future is even more confusing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

you cant go into the future cuz you are still in the present. the "future" doesnt exist. why? cuz when the future finally "arrives" it becomes the present. so therefore, if you wished to time travel into the future all you do is live the present!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

i should write a sci-fi novel http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And it would be the most boring schi-fi novel ever. Lol.

Anyways, timetravel is possible. I recall something about quantum foam, yes. And something about creating a small black hole and stabilizing it and stretching it. No, it's not from a bad sci-fi novel either. It was a document about some people that have dedicated their lives on E=mc2 and stuff like time travel.

And I believe there are many layers of excistence! There is a world where I was never born. There is a world where I'm already dead etc.

FableB
08-16-2007, 11:01 AM
I thought the black holes have an enormous gravity that even light is sucked through it, why do you think humans can survive it?

Phreaky_McGeek
08-16-2007, 11:10 AM
Hence the "stabilizing" - crushing people into nothingness wouldn't get us very far with time travel.

Clonage2006
08-16-2007, 03:09 PM
Time travel to the future is entirely possible, we do it every day. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FableB
08-16-2007, 03:15 PM
Who's "we"? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

spazzoo1025
08-16-2007, 04:17 PM
(in my most-nerdiest voice) as stated in Episode 319, issue # 1, Superman is able to reverse the time flow ex-capacitator of the earth by constantly traveling at a super-omega fast speed of exactly 13.56439712 billion miles per every quantum hour. Thusly, reversing all time itself, and, while negatively affecting our current time-flow paradox, he was able to bring the lovely Lois Lane back from the dead.
BEST.ISSUE.EVER. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

lmao ok, im done, i know i know, no hating. but i had to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

chewie1890
08-16-2007, 04:59 PM
There are 'issues' of specific episodes for Superman? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

In the words of the hilariously famous Douglas Adams describing one of the possible effects of time travel:

When oil started to run low people began looking for alternative ways of getting fuel, and looking for places that had a plentiful amount of it. That place? The past. They looked back and saw that the people of the past had plenty of oil, of course they opened up specific 'Oil Reserves' for the people of the past.

Later they realized that the rods they used to go into the past to siphon the gas would have to be destroyed and the knowledge of how to build one would have to go with it. The reason? Because the people in their future were going back and stealing the gas that they had stolen from the further past.

Personally I think that it's highly unlikely we will ever have time travel. Here's my reasoning. I think that if time travel was possible and we went back and started correcting horrendous things about the past, why haven't our histories changed and we become unaware of those happenings because someone went back and changed it?

Besides I don't think it would really be plausible for us to have one history and then just have the entire thing just change instantly, it would seem like such a giant shift wouldn't be possible.

ArrowDynamicsX
08-16-2007, 09:15 PM
There are a few problems with travelling at the speed of light.

First, if you managed to reach the speed of light, according to the theory of relativity, you would not age, therefore the "time travel" to the future would be the equivalent of cryogenic freezing. The universe would still move around you, but you would feel like you weren't moving at all.

Second, to reach the speed of light you have to get an infinite amount of thrust. The faster you go, amount of energy required increases exponentially due to the fact the the object becomes more massive when travelling at near light speed. Last time I checked, nothing has infinite energy.

If you managed to exceed the speed of light, then according to general relativity, you could theoretically go backwards in time, but keep in mind, time is relative so it can get messy.

Then there's the choice of the parrallel universes, or singular. If it's singular, anything you try to do will end up being exactly what has already happened in history, because history has already been made with the time travellers included.

With multiples, you could alter events and change history in a different timeline, like the Back to the Future movies.

Don't worry about time travel, if it ever manages to be created, we will not be around to see it. But do tell your children to tell their childen to tell their children etc. to pick you up on August 17, 2007, and hope that the one universe theory is right.

And I thought I'd never use my High School Physics class in real life. And it doesn't help my brother majored in astrophysics and thought I cared about his classes when I was 12.

Skaevola
08-16-2007, 09:45 PM
Here's my view: People say time is like a river, flowing swiftly and surely in one direction. They are wrong. Time is an ocean in a storm.
I win.

Seriously, though, according to this scientist-guy I know (NOT my science teacher), even traveling faster than the speed of light doesn't really hurdle you backwards in time, just see projections of that time moving through space; you can't actually interact with them.

I believe that time-travel is impossible on any human-achievable scale. They say that wormholes contain the power to travel back in time; unfortunately, wormholes are so small that we can't manage to fit a single atom through one. That's not big enough for a person!!! *cackles wildly*
Furthermore, I believe that it's not possible because the past no longer exists, and the future does not yet exist. You can't travel to something that doesn't exist. The alternate universe stuff is interesting, though... on that subject, we should all read Stephen King's The Dark Tower (it would be my third time -- best books ever).
Instead of that, let's, as a nation, discover Cold Fusion so as to create weapons of inconcievable horror, as well as some awesome teleporters and storm-trooper style clone armies.

SmokehtheFirst
08-16-2007, 10:01 PM
Time isn't malleable. No matter how you think, no matter what movies you've seen, no matter what equations you solve, time travel is impossible.

If it was possible, how come no one from the future has come to visit us?

Skaevola
08-16-2007, 10:12 PM
Here's an idea my big brother and I came up with: we should have a giant time-travelling convention right in the middle of Washington D.C, and advertise it really well, and make sure everybody in the world knows about it, so everyone will remember it for hundreds of years. If anyone shows up there from the future, we'll know time-travel is possible. If not, we can focus on creating planet-destroying lasers and a slightly more advanced electric guitar.

spazzoo1025
08-17-2007, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by chewie1890:
There are 'issues' of specific episodes for Superman? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.
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http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif no idea just thought it would sound more nerdy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

ArrowDynamicsX
08-22-2007, 10:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Wingf00t:
Here's my view: People say time is like a river, flowing swiftly and surely in one direction. They are wrong. Time is an ocean in a storm.
I win. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Dang it, you do win! Freaking Sands of Time reference...

Zain0
08-23-2007, 12:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SmokehtheFirst:
If it was possible, how come no one from the future has come to visit us? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe someone did, but in the future time travel is forbidden and has a death penalty to it, maybe someone did visit us but then got killed and they went back in time to kill him/her so him/her could never go back in time to visit us at all. AHHH!

ScytheOfGrim
08-23-2007, 12:39 PM
but why is there a death penalty for it?

why wouldn't future dudes come to the present to make us smarter and our technology more advanced therefore most likely impacting their technology making them smarter and more advanced, then they return again to make us smarter thus making themselves smarter...etc...?

i'll tell you why, because that's a paradox and time travel IS-NOT-POSSIBLE, period.

SCARFACE_47
08-23-2007, 12:45 PM
time travel tz i won´t like to go into future, i saw futurama and......well actually if you get frozen and wake up 1000 years later is that time travel??

cooldude6681
08-23-2007, 01:28 PM
I'm operating on 3 1/2 hours of sleep, but I'd still like to contribute to this thread. So I'll just copy&paste my ideas from a previous time travel thread over at the splinter cell forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by cooldude6681:
My idea:

According to relativity, the faster you move, the slower the world around you seems to move through time, yes? So if one were able to move fast enough, the world around them would move so slow that time would reverse, causing the fast-moving person to travel backwards in time. I suppose this idea could also work for travelling forwards in time, where the person has to move so slow the world around them speeds up.

Or maybe I've got it reversed, I forget. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>And it looks like I do indeed have that backwards, after reviewing an earlier post by Toga.

From this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/393107431/m/9991071615?r=7321012615#7321012615) thread.
If you're into physics and stuff, it's a good thread, less of course the talk about Guitar Hero. And ignore the dual signatures, this was from back around the time the forums crashed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif