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Ducksplat
01-05-2007, 09:41 PM
Howdy!
Been lurking for ages, first post.

I'm getting a new computer and I thought I would really break the bank (such as it is) and see about some associated toys. Has anyone used the Ergodex DX1 Input system?
http://www.ergodex.com/content.php?id=12 http://www.ergodex.com/content.php?id=12

it is a pad on which you can place 25 key/buttons anywhere you want and key macros to them. I thought it might be kind of neat to have a logical sort of array of game and plane functions.

If anyone has used it with Pacific Fighters, I'd be grateful to find out what they thought of it.

Thanks in advance

Ducksplat
01-05-2007, 09:41 PM
Howdy!
Been lurking for ages, first post.

I'm getting a new computer and I thought I would really break the bank (such as it is) and see about some associated toys. Has anyone used the Ergodex DX1 Input system?
http://www.ergodex.com/content.php?id=12 http://www.ergodex.com/content.php?id=12

it is a pad on which you can place 25 key/buttons anywhere you want and key macros to them. I thought it might be kind of neat to have a logical sort of array of game and plane functions.

If anyone has used it with Pacific Fighters, I'd be grateful to find out what they thought of it.

Thanks in advance

FluffyDucks2
01-06-2007, 08:43 AM
My m8 has it and loves it....but you might want to wait for the new product from CH Products which is even more refined for flight sim use http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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Ducksplat
01-06-2007, 10:01 AM
Thanks for the reply.
Seems to be exactly the same thing, for a good bit more money... ($150 US vs. $190).
Hmmmmm

JG301_Per
01-06-2007, 10:28 AM
I use it since almost a year back and I love it! If you got the money to spare, go get it!
Looks really nifty if you make a nice little template to use as a background for your keys.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VFS-22_SPaRX
01-06-2007, 11:32 PM
The CH Products Multi-Funtion Panel has been released. Yes it is a little more pricey then the Ergodex, but it is worth the extra money ( I have one and am working on writing my review of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

Plus for the CH

1. Extremely programmable using the CH Control Manager. You can program multiple modes. You also have all the scripting abilities.
2. Ability to connect more then one Unit at a time. Infact you can connect up to 16 MFPs (Ergodex only allows you to connect 1 at a time)
3. 64bit OS compatibility (Ergodex is only 32bit compatible with no 64bit drivers coming soon)
4. CH Products Top Notch Support (Ergodex support has been somewhat lacking as of late) Just check out www.ch-hangar.com (http://www.ch-hangar.com) and see the activity of the CH Reps.


Yes the Ergodex will do basic key macros, but you will not have any intermediate or complex scripting that is quite helpful with many Flight Sims.

If you have any questions, drop by the www.ch-hangar.com (http://www.ch-hangar.com) forums or feel free to ask them here and I will answer them.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ducksplat
01-07-2007, 11:23 AM
Hey, Thanks a bunch one and all for the replys.

I just might save my pennies a bit longer and go for the CH. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
01-07-2007, 02:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Hey, Thanks a bunch one and all for the replys.

I just might save my pennies a bit longer and go for the CH. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


IMHO, you would be further ahead http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. If you play different types of games, also consider getting a second set of keys and a tray http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. I know they add to the expense, but they are well worth it. Can always add them on later too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"Why do they call it common sense when it is so uncommon!?!?"

George "Lefty" Whitman: "it is not the plane, it is not the pilot. It is the opportunity. The best pilot in the world is useless if he got surprised or caught in a bad position. "

GreyFox5
01-07-2007, 10:51 PM
I have one and I love it!!!

You can setup the macros from the cool Ergodex manager or just do it from within the game - thats what I did I just programmed the Ergodex with recording the keyboard shortcuts I already had in IL2 so that was the easiest way and I still have the keyboard as a backup.
It's the only non-Saitek device I have and its a great tool for any program!

It looks like the CH-Products version is setup to work with the CH programming manager so that would be great if I had that setup. Either way there worth the money its a super product!

Here is mine-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/DSC00599.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/DSC00600.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/DSC00601.jpg

There is a template behind the plastic cover inspired by Jason's at GoGamer.com

His - http://www.simhq.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=142&t=001513<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/Il2-009_327X125.jpg
Check your "6" M8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Ken-Ghost-King
01-08-2007, 01:33 PM
Personally, I'd get one of these ---&gt; HERE (http://www.provantage.com/ch-400-602%7E7CHPU00P.htm)

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VFS-22_SPaRX
01-08-2007, 02:28 PM
Hidly Ho there Ghost.

S~

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"Why do they call it common sense when it is so uncommon!?!?"

George "Lefty" Whitman: "it is not the plane, it is not the pilot. It is the opportunity. The best pilot in the world is useless if he got surprised or caught in a bad position. "

Ducksplat
01-08-2007, 09:16 PM
Thanks again for the advice. I found one Canadian distributor, CDRom Shop http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/w95/pub/ch_products.html http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/w95/pub/ch_products.html

They want $250.00 CDN for it. Its a mild winter up here, perhaps I can get away with not paying the heating bill...

Jim

VFS-22_SPaRX
01-08-2007, 10:30 PM
Duck,

You could goto www.ch-hangar.com (http://www.ch-hangar.com) and ask Debby if there are any other CA retailers stocking it. Might find it cheaper http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

SPaRX

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"Why do they call it common sense when it is so uncommon!?!?"

George "Lefty" Whitman: "it is not the plane, it is not the pilot. It is the opportunity. The best pilot in the world is useless if he got surprised or caught in a bad position. "

Padser
01-09-2007, 03:49 AM
~S~

I'll make you one of these for 200 plus shipping.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a109/johnfsknight/LED.jpg

Toodle-pip,

Pads

GreyFox5
01-09-2007, 04:22 PM
Nice switch box - what are you using to program it?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v476/GreyFox5/Il2-009_327X125.jpg
Check your "6" M8 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Padser
01-10-2007, 03:23 AM
~S~

It has a joystick controller chip designed & built by a fellow called Leo Bodnar which allows up to 36 switches (6 x 6 matrix) and 8 potentiometers (I use 4 in this version, providing elevator, rudder and aileron trim and prop pitch controls)

The box connects via USB and runs via Windows default HID driver (i.e., it is treated like any other joystick/games controller and can be calibrated, tested, etc., via the game controller settings in the Control Panel).

I use it in combination with Total Game Control (http://www.digitaltransforms.com/) to program multiple keystrokes and what-not if and when required.

Pads

MaxMhz
01-10-2007, 04:42 AM
I'm waiting for the <A HREF="http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/" TARGET=_blank>
Optimus OLED keyboard </A>...

Also coming this year is the Upravlator (http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-upravlator/) from the same company. They also have a 3-key OLED keyboard available now - bit expensive but on the right way.

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zenTera
01-12-2007, 02:59 AM
Forget these pads. I haven't touched my Ergodex for more than a year. Go and get yourself a touchscreen instead. They are not more expensive than these pads. And then use Touch-Buddy - a free program that does everything better than Ergodex or the like. Source for that one: www.touch-buddy.com (http://www.touch-buddy.com)

VFS-22_SPaRX
01-12-2007, 07:13 PM
Here are a couple of teaser Pix http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9773/mfpil2bq7.jpg

This is my IL2 setup. Brackets with Red Text = Red mode, Brackets with Green Text = Green mode

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/1469/mfprowu7.jpg

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9634/mfprohandzh0.jpg


This is what I use for Red Orchestra. Red text = red mode, Green text = green mode. The laout of the keys is VERY comfortable. My wrist is thanking me for acquiring the MFP http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

Here is a Group Shot showing what all I have.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7038/mfpgroupshotpc5.jpg

I have basically created two key layouts that I will use for any game/app. That way, all I have to do is change tray and background image for what I am currently doing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

SPaRX

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"Why do they call it common sense when it is so uncommon!?!?"

George "Lefty" Whitman: "it is not the plane, it is not the pilot. It is the opportunity. The best pilot in the world is useless if he got surprised or caught in a bad position. "

Tully__
01-17-2007, 05:49 AM
It's hard to tell from the photos, has anyone seen both units side by side? From here it looks like the only difference between the units is driver/profiling software, level of support and the brand decals on the units.

Admittedly having suffered through 2-3 years of appalling driver/profiling support from Saitek about 5-8 years ago, different software support is a potentially very big difference....despite a huge improvement in Saitek's drivers there are still areas where both CH-Products and the 3rd party drivers for Saitek's X-45 are hands down better than the factory Saitek drivers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ken-Ghost-King
01-17-2007, 08:08 AM
Standard CH MFP has 25 physical buttons. The MFP has a Green Mode and a Red Mode which can be selected on the fly with the two buttons and their associated colored LEDs in the top right corner of the unit. These modes are available as STANDARD. Meaning no need to implement modes in your Control Manager. Now you have 50 button positions. Now lets assign "shifted" functions to each of the buttons in both Red and Green mode. Now you have 100 button positions. BUT WAIT THAT"S NOT ENOUGH! Lets then turn on the CMS mode control in the Control Manager so we have FOUR Control Manager modes EACH with a Green mode and a Red mode that are both programmed with "shifted" functions. Now you have 400 button positions. Not enough you say.... well fine.
Extended CH MFP has 50 physical buttons. Time to bust out that slide ruler... double the numbers of the Standard MFP at each bump. Soooo..... Green and Red modes gives you 100. "Shifted" functions in Green and Red mode gives you 200. Then with the Control Manager CMS modes you have hit 400 button positions.
Now I know what you are think'n.... "that's "cool" but it's not "kEwL". So what if I were to tell you you could then addon to your CH MFP with MORE MFP's. In fact what if I told you you could do all of the above on a 50 button MFP on SIXTEEN MFPs and have all of them connected and running giving you 12,800 button positions!
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So lets talk emulation, ok?
The CH MFP is no different than any other CH USB controller in the Control Manager. If you can do it to a button on a Combatstick then you can do it to a button on the MFP. So what does that mean? Well let me give you a quick hit list.....
Joystick Buttons
Joystick Axis
Mouse Buttons
Mouse Axis
Keyboard Keys
Keyboard Macros
Combinations of ANY of the above
Want to move your mouse to a certain location with one press of a button?
No Problem
Want to add a single count to an axis in one direction or another?
No Problem
Want to press a button just once and have It navigate through your Comm Commands for you?
No Problem

Ergodex DX1 = only one programmable keypad via their programming software.
CH Products MFP (per your description a relabled DX1) = up to 16 keypads or joysticks or throttles or pedals or throttle quadrants and can be either combined to one or left to 16 seperate CM Devices. In my case, a, FighterStick, ProThrottle, Throttle Quadrant, ProPedals, DT225 TrackBall, CH MFP Xs 2 equalling 7 controllers all wrapped into one, or 7 seperate CM Devices.
CH Products MFP will be able to be programmed in 64 bit as well as 32 in Control Manager 4.2. Thanks CH and Bob!

DX-1 cannot replicate joystick buttons or axis?. CH MFP can

DX-1 will not work in 64Bit XP????????. CH MFP can

DX-1 cannot move a mouse cursor?????? CH MFP can

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VFS-22_SPaRX
01-17-2007, 03:04 PM
Tully, or the simple answer, for the most part the same Hardware but with 100x better programming and support.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"Why do they call it common sense when it is so uncommon!?!?"

George "Lefty" Whitman: "it is not the plane, it is not the pilot. It is the opportunity. The best pilot in the world is useless if he got surprised or caught in a bad position. "

Tully__
01-17-2007, 07:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VFS-22_SPaRX:
Tully, or the simple answer, for the most part the same Hardware but with 100x better programming and support. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's what I suspected. And it's one reason why I'd recommend that people buy a genuine Saitek Cyborg rather than the cheap chinese copies that can be found on the internet (the older Cyborg Gold/3D style, I haven't seen Evo clones yet). Bad as it used to be, the Saitek driver/profiler is now far superior to the generic drivers used by the clone and much worth the price difference.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VFS-22_SPaRX
01-17-2007, 08:50 PM
Tully, there are some differences in the hardware. But the main concept and functionality of the base unit is the same. And you are correct, for the little bit of difference in price, it is well worth it. Nothing worse then spending that kind of money on a piece of gear only to find it lacking in the future.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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"Why do they call it common sense when it is so uncommon!?!?"

George "Lefty" Whitman: "it is not the plane, it is not the pilot. It is the opportunity. The best pilot in the world is useless if he got surprised or caught in a bad position. "

Tully__
01-17-2007, 09:23 PM
Same with the Cyborg clones. If they were straight copies you could download and use the Saitek software but the HID identity chips in them are at least one difference and the Saitek software doesn't recognise them. Also some other components are different at least in quality.

I really like what I've seen of the CH stuff and would be inclined to stongly recommend it over that alternatives to anyone who has the necessary funds. Even if the designs were identical it's odds on that the component quality is better in CH's offering. They have worked hard for their reputation and are not likely to knowingly endanger it by marketing poor quality gear.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Padser
01-18-2007, 03:17 AM
~S~ Just to fully endorse Tully's comment re the quality of CH products equipment.

I've had my fighterstick, throttle and pedals set-up for several years now and have had no problems.

The control manager software and scripting options are also extremely effective.

They may be expensive, but it's much more expensive in the long run to buy cheap (again, and again, and again...)

Ducksplat
01-19-2007, 03:55 PM
From what I've been reading here, I'm definitely going to get the CH-products MFP once I save some loot. I got my new computer set up and a copy of '46, and it looks great.

Now I can get blasted by all sort of new planes and the old stand-bys. Makes going down in flames seem more, well, more intesting. I haven't tried it online yet, but perhaps this weekend.


I bought CH pedals a few years ago and except for noisy spring that gets in the way of smooth movements from, say, a little rudder left to a little right, I like them quite a lot. I can't afford to replace them anytime soon, but has anyone tried the Saitek pedals? They are supposed to have adjustible tension.

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions.