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Huckebein_UK
06-12-2005, 01:27 PM
This skin file was created as a result of a request by EnsignKarl1. It represents an Fw 190A-8, lately of Jagdgeschwader 4, forced down during Operation Bodenplatte on New Year's Day 1945 and captured by US forces. Flown to America for testing, at an unknown point in its captivity it was 'refurbished' in this rather striking all over red scheme. Even the undercarriage struts were re-painted. I have speculated as to the most probable colour of the ETC rack and undercart fairings had they been left on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, as well as using a bit of artisic license when deciding which of the originally RLM 02 areas of the plane would have been repainted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Phas3e/ajn.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/grab0000.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/front14.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/Plan.jpg

Comments and critiques, as always, very welcome, and I hope you enjoy using this skin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. Dammit, forgot to add that this skin is available from http://www.skinnersheaven.com thanks to Seanorris. Cheers mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PPS. Also forgot to add that I was unable to find a way of adding the yellow tips to the prop blades, as seen in the photo, but I don't think that detracts too much from the scheme.

Huckebein_UK
06-12-2005, 01:27 PM
This skin file was created as a result of a request by EnsignKarl1. It represents an Fw 190A-8, lately of Jagdgeschwader 4, forced down during Operation Bodenplatte on New Year's Day 1945 and captured by US forces. Flown to America for testing, at an unknown point in its captivity it was 'refurbished' in this rather striking all over red scheme. Even the undercarriage struts were re-painted. I have speculated as to the most probable colour of the ETC rack and undercart fairings had they been left on http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif, as well as using a bit of artisic license when deciding which of the originally RLM 02 areas of the plane would have been repainted.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Phas3e/ajn.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/grab0000.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/front14.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/Plan.jpg

Comments and critiques, as always, very welcome, and I hope you enjoy using this skin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PS. Dammit, forgot to add that this skin is available from http://www.skinnersheaven.com thanks to Seanorris. Cheers mate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PPS. Also forgot to add that I was unable to find a way of adding the yellow tips to the prop blades, as seen in the photo, but I don't think that detracts too much from the scheme.

robban75
06-12-2005, 02:11 PM
Very cool! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Thanks Huck, for making it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Huckebein_UK
06-12-2005, 02:16 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Anytime. I love skinning Fw 190s, but I just run out of schemes. It's a lot more satisfying when someone requests a skin as well; at least you know it'll be appreciated. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jungmann
06-12-2005, 02:58 PM
Intresting skin. Something picky: it was flown by a lot of the pilots in that A-26 group(386th BG? Somebody should know the tail markings)in the b.g. of the RL pic. Bashed the s**t out of it; you can see they took off the lower lg doors because they were flying it off winter mud. The generals finally took it away from them; nobody knows where it went.

Cheers

Cheers

MEGILE
06-12-2005, 03:21 PM
Brilliant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VF-29_Sandman
06-12-2005, 06:19 PM
maybe it needs slight weathering, but looks like u got it very very close. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

wayno7777
06-12-2005, 08:36 PM
Great job, Huck!!! At first I was gonna ask why we can't mark the prop tips, but looked a lot of pics and found out it must be an American safety thing cause I even came across numerous British planes without tips colored...

Abbuzze
06-13-2005, 02:38 AM
Very nice skin http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Good job.

But you asked for some critique... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
The black area below the canopy is "going down" earlier, at the skin it seem to start below the canopy hood, while at the picture it starts to decrease under the armourd windsceen.

Another thing I took for a failure at the beginning is just a very good paintjob!! The red colour shining through the black one at the wingroot- very well made!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jasko76
06-13-2005, 02:49 AM
Very, VERY nice!

I was wondering why no one made this prominent skin earlier.

Looking at the photo of the real a/c, it looks more like an A5 or 6 - old style canopy, which could have been replaced though, and no bulges over the cowling mgs. It's a blurry old photo so I could be wrong!

Redwulf__26
06-13-2005, 03:25 AM
It was the former mount of Maj. Von Komatski. A Fw190G that was captured at St Trond in Belgium after he bellied it in because of a prop strike (low !). The Commander of the 404th, Col Leo Moon had it painted red and was going to use it to fly around in after the machanics got it going but the brass forbade it.

Huckebein_UK
06-13-2005, 04:29 AM
Thanks for all the feedback people, I really appreciate it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

On the basis of what's been brought up here, I have a few things to say: Firstly, I agree about the weathering to some extent, although I had to entirely remove a lot of weathering layers from my original template to make it come close to what I saw in the shot; it seems quite well-kept except around the exhaust area. I also agree, in hindsight, that the cowl flash isn't correct, and also that it does indeed resemble an MG 17-armed Anton than one with MG 131s. For all these reasons and more, I'm going to have another shot at it, take a bit more time over the flash area and the exhaust louvre area, and make a skin for both the A-8 and the A-6, so that you can fly whichever you prefer in-game.

If only we had an Fw 190G http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif .

I'll try and keep you updated, and I might ask your opinions on WIP shots as well.

Thanks again. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Huckebein_UK
06-13-2005, 04:33 AM
Oh, and, Wayno, regarding the prop-tip markings; most British and American aircraft utilised the yellow tips as a saftey precaution, whereas the most common German solution was the application of spinner art (compulsary from July '44). The tips of this machine's blades have had the appropriate markings added by the Americans, but I can't add them to the skin file due to the awkward mapping of the airscrew blades, which is understandable since German airscrews were almost exclusively monochrome RLM 70 or occasionally RLM 22. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Heliopause
06-13-2005, 07:58 AM
Acc. to Luftwaffe at War by Morten Jessen this was a Fw 190A-8/R2 formely "white 11". It belonged to Gefreiter Walter Wagner who served with 5./JG 4. He landed at St. Trond airfield because he was hit by AA-fire.( jan 1st '45 )
JG 4 was to attack Le Culot but they missed that airfield and lost almost 50% on that mission.It never flew again as the tyres were soaked in hydraulic fluid and had deteriorated to such an extent that it was unsafe to take off.
R2 comes from Rustsatz 2 wich comes down to extra guns for attacking the heavies...(bombers).
The code on the fuesalage should be OO L and not OO I....Great job and keep it up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Huckebein_UK
06-13-2005, 08:21 AM
Do you mean it never flew whilst in American captivity? I'm sure I've read accounts to the contrary. Also, the Rustsatz 2 field modification escapes my memory, but do y'all think I could safely assume that it was removed prior to the 1/1/45 operation, seeing as ground attack was the objective?

Heliopause
06-13-2005, 08:36 AM
Maybe americans took away the extra guns for examination.....These guns would help if you attack an enemy airfield, i think. My book says it never flew with the americans due to deteriorated tyres.
The book mentiones other Fw 190's that fell in american hands
(this was in Tunisia, Fw 190A-5's). These were painted as well very colourfull. But no mention of americans flying these planes.
Rustsatz R1 to R4 deals with bomber attack variants( extra guns )

Heliopause
06-13-2005, 08:49 AM
I am opening a new discussion with same tittle so i can put pictures as well...(photoalbum) talk to you later....( i have read your answer on the paint forum as well)

Huckebein_UK
06-13-2005, 12:24 PM
Ok, the 'Rustsatz-2' conversion was the fitting of MK 108s in the outer wing panels, replacing the MG 151s, so it won't affect the skin. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

On another thread Heliopause noted that my own 'faded panels' layer had interfered with the finish of the skin and made it look unlike the actual machine - any thoughts about whether to delete this layer or not? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Heliopause
06-13-2005, 01:22 PM
Did you see my fotoalbum? Holds intersting photo,s!!! Its in General Discussion Forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Huckebein_UK
06-13-2005, 03:52 PM
Yes I saw it, and it's great! As a result of the photos you posted I've updated the skin. Here's the new version - how do y'all like it?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/grab0001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/grab0002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v164/Phas3e/ajn.jpg

As you can see, I've toned down the 'stressed metal' texture that I use on my Fw 190s, since it doesn't suit such a plain scheme so well, I don't think. I also toned up the streaking layer, and added a lot more subtle dust/ wear & tear around the exhaust louvres. The faded panels and panel line highlights have been toned down also. Finally, I think I've got the flash curved correctly now, although tbh I won't have compared it until I see this post myself; not since the painting stage at least. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Better? Worse? Please comment. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, I've decided to 'adopt' this machine, and am currently engrossed in an attempt to skin it in it's Luftwaffe livery, immediately prior to Bodenplatte. I'll keep you updated, but here's a very early WIP shot. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v451/Huck/US190/Wagner11.jpg

EnsignKarl1
06-14-2005, 02:29 AM
Thank you for making this skin. I was getting to think nobody had taken it on. As I mentioned in my initial request, more pictures of this AC in both its original German and then repainted schemes are in the book "War Eagles in Color" by Jefferey Ethell. Unfortunately, the book is currently at my brother's house, so I am going from memory. It was never flown by the Americans because A) as stated before the tires were too damaged initially and by the time they were replaced .. B) the commander of the base ordered the AA crews to shoot it down if it ever got airborne. The pictures themselves are of note as well. They were 'kodachrome' and so the colors are not quite right. Any red would have been used so your guess is as good as any for what tone the red was. Also, as it was never flown, the repainted version would have seen no weathering at all. The original german scheme was heavily weathered, including damage from a belly landing before being repainted, which might be interesting to see.

Thanks again,

EnsignKarl1

EnsignKarl1
06-14-2005, 02:36 AM
Oh I forgot, One photo in "Warbirds in Color" shows the airplane from the front right quarter being run up in its original scheme. It shows very well the underside of at least the nose of the airplane, and as I recall it looks quite a mess.

EnsignKarl1

Huckebein_UK
06-14-2005, 04:39 AM
Ok thanks - I've managed to find a short article on the scheme on the internet, so I'll try to make the orignal paint scheme as dirty as it should be. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Heliopause
06-14-2005, 06:03 AM
Looking good!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Also its original paintscheme is nice....When can we download it?

Huckebein_UK
06-14-2005, 11:07 AM
When it's finished! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Seriously though, I only get to work on it for about 1 hour per day during the week, and I want to make the original scheme (hopefully) my best Fw 190 to date. It might take a little over a week I'm afraid, then I'll upload them both at once. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif