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Davinci..
01-26-2007, 03:23 AM
K well this knocked my socks right off tonight.. i was actually looking for reviews for a new eyepiece for my telescope on Astromart.com when i came across this link with "3d" pictures of Jupiter. http://www.the-planet-jupiter.com/3d-pairs.html
it took me a couple mins to get it right, but when i did i was impressed, and thought how cool i would be if this could be applied to il2 images.. And sure enough, it most certainly can.

note: the above site(the jupiter one) will give general instructions on how to get the effect to work. It may take a while to get it, the first few mins i tried i could get the images to overlap but they would be horribly out of focus, but eventually it snaped right to a clear very 3d view. I think the technique is simlar to those old 3d images that were popular many years ago.
When you get it right you'll definatly know!

i spent the last hour and a half putting these images together, they arent that great, i didnt have much time to put nice "shots" together, this is more "proof of concept" then anything.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9558/3dg6zh5.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg62cv5.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg63ig4.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dspikk1.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg64sw4.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg65xb9.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg66gy3.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg69md0.jpg

If you cant get it to work dont panic, it take a little practice, but they do very much so work. It seem the closer the object is to the "camera" the more it shows off the 3d effect. The background(hills and whatnot) have depth too, as can be seen in the last pic, its just harder to bring out.
also i have NO IDEA if this image hosting will work or how long it will last, so if anyone can save the images and put them up somewhere that does work/will last that would be great.

good luck, and have fun with it.

Davinci..
01-26-2007, 03:23 AM
K well this knocked my socks right off tonight.. i was actually looking for reviews for a new eyepiece for my telescope on Astromart.com when i came across this link with "3d" pictures of Jupiter. http://www.the-planet-jupiter.com/3d-pairs.html
it took me a couple mins to get it right, but when i did i was impressed, and thought how cool i would be if this could be applied to il2 images.. And sure enough, it most certainly can.

note: the above site(the jupiter one) will give general instructions on how to get the effect to work. It may take a while to get it, the first few mins i tried i could get the images to overlap but they would be horribly out of focus, but eventually it snaped right to a clear very 3d view. I think the technique is simlar to those old 3d images that were popular many years ago.
When you get it right you'll definatly know!

i spent the last hour and a half putting these images together, they arent that great, i didnt have much time to put nice "shots" together, this is more "proof of concept" then anything.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9558/3dg6zh5.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg62cv5.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg63ig4.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dspikk1.jpg

http://img260.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg64sw4.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg65xb9.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg66gy3.jpg

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dg69md0.jpg

If you cant get it to work dont panic, it take a little practice, but they do very much so work. It seem the closer the object is to the "camera" the more it shows off the 3d effect. The background(hills and whatnot) have depth too, as can be seen in the last pic, its just harder to bring out.
also i have NO IDEA if this image hosting will work or how long it will last, so if anyone can save the images and put them up somewhere that does work/will last that would be great.

good luck, and have fun with it.

Pollack2006
01-26-2007, 03:44 AM
If you can do those "Oh no, not another bloody dolphin!" stereogram pictures you should have no trouble with these.

major_setback
01-26-2007, 03:59 AM
Those are really good.

These pictures are made in a similar way:

http://members.aol.com/hagarain/index.html

I don't know why I haven't thought of making pairs like that myself, I've been interested in 3D pictures scince I had a Viewmaster as a child. Viewmaster used to do some really good 3D slides. I've even got a number of their discs with aircraft pictures on - 3D views of Mirrage, Starfighter, Draken etc. as well as a set covering commercial airliners and hellicopters.

Davinci..
01-26-2007, 02:42 PM
I put together another batch of screens, i made these a little larger, and tried to get a better look out of them.
Note: these are made for a 1024x768 screen res, if you are running higher then that they will look very small, i recommend setting your screen res down 1024x768 to view these.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3656/92231851gy4.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3666/31256277fk4.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2880/82769176sf0.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8194/34077812av0.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9845/16604684wu3.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7889/98066000zy2.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4196/12379109pq8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3220/17992711nk6.jpg

Enjoy.

BrewsterPilot
01-26-2007, 02:49 PM
I've never understood what's so 3D*ish about cross-eye stereograms; do you need a flatscreen monitor or what? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

major_setback
01-26-2007, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I've never understood what's so 3D*ish about cross-eye stereograms; do you need a flatscreen monitor or what? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just relax and let the pictures glide apart until you see a middle image. Then concentrate on seperating that image from the outer two.


Nice screens those last ones http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif. I wish we had an easy way of seeing the game in 3D, it would make aircraft identification much simpler. I know you can get 3D glasses, but that doesn't seem to work perfectly, and frame rates are really cut too much to be of any use to me.

Does anyone know how e-dimensional's 3D glases work?
Are the two images polarised? I can't imagine that that's possible, though I know that that is the way 3D slide shows were made a few years back, using polarising filters and two projectors - with the viewer wearing polarising glasses(each lens set at 90* to the other, just like the polarising filter in front of each projector).

Actually I went to the pub tonight before viewing those last screenshots. A few beers actually aids viewing! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Udidtoo
01-26-2007, 03:16 PM
I just intentionally go a little cross eyed and they snap right into focus.

Then after a few minutes of looking at those 3d images I stumble around reaching for the "ghost object" and knocking stuff over. Reached for the wrong water bottle and almost poked a hole in my LCD.

Rammathorn_
01-26-2007, 03:29 PM
I never have had trouble with cross-eyed 3d stuff, but I can't get these images to come close to overlapping, they seem huge.

Davinci..
01-26-2007, 03:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rammathorn_:
I never have had trouble with cross-eyed 3d stuff, but I can't get these images to come close to overlapping, they seem huge. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah its a little tricky at first, be sure to sit back from your screen like at least half a meter, if not more. once you get the images to overlap into one in the middle, just try to get it to focus. When you get it, they will pop out as 3d as anything you've ever seen!!!

flox
01-26-2007, 04:16 PM
Brings back memories of these things:

http://www.genetics.wustl.edu/twlab/images/gallery/thumb_Magic%20eye.jpg

I used to have the trick to those down-- I would focus on the reflection of something (like a light in the room) in the plastic covering they always came in rather than on the picture itself.

The Jupiter thing just kinda made my eyes hurt though &gt;.&lt; Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that I've been staring at a computer screen all day as it is..

Davinci..
01-26-2007, 04:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by flox:
Brings back memories of these things:

http://www.genetics.wustl.edu/twlab/images/gallery/thumb_Magic%20eye.jpg

I used to have the trick to those down-- I would focus on the reflection of something (like a light in the room) in the plastic covering they always came in rather than on the picture itself.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

yeah its the same kinda thing, but for those on a computer i find i have to get very close to the screen.. For these images you have to be much farther back, sit back at least half a meter from the screen, mabey about twice as far as you normally would.

LStarosta
01-26-2007, 04:35 PM
Sweet I think I just LASIK'ed my eyes.

major_setback
01-26-2007, 04:35 PM
here are acouple of good explanations of how to view the images:
http://arch.ced.berkeley.edu/kap2/php/Hidden_Ecologies/?p=106

http://arch.ced.berkeley.edu/kap2/php/Hidden_Ecologies/?p=106

here's the picture from the above site:

http://www.starosta.com/3dshowcase/3dimages/robotP.jpg

This looks like an interesting site on stereo pairs:
http://www.studio3d.com/pages2/hyper.html


Here are some practice pictures for those having diffuculty, and some some one's for those without http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

http://members.aol.com/hagarain/CATWMN.jpg

http://members.aol.com/stoddone/Antelope_sterio.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/41/75789504_db95b74adc.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/LizDDD-758x455.png

I find these very hard on the eyes:
http://www.fourth-millennium.net/cordwainer-vr/tour-stereo-pairs.html



An interesting fact. Stereo pairs of aerial recon photos were/are used to spot ground objects. Wheras you normally set the distance between lenses to the distance between your eyes, in recon you take two different shots at many hundreds of metres apart. When viewed, any ground object willl appear to jump out of the ground due to the added sense of depth caused by setting the 'eyepoints' so far apart. A friend who worked on interpreting such pictures told me about this.


Google Stereo Pairs http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif.

Maj.Kaos
01-26-2007, 04:53 PM
Wow! Way cool! I just cross my eyes until I get three images, then focus slowly on the middle one. A little practice and it happens instantly. Then, for extra fun, I hit the PrintScreen key and save it as a 3d image! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

I'll go to Best Buy after work and test this on televisions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

VonKlugermon
01-26-2007, 07:09 PM
Stereoscopic or stereo imaging is what we called it back in college. We utilized this effect this to look at aerial photos of ground features, (Geology major here). It really makes things pop out at you! We had a viewer that looked like a pair of glasses on stilts. (I've seen photos of WWII intelligence folks using the same device.) Lay the two images down on a flat surface, place the viewer over them, and look straight down. Very similar to "Viewmaster" as major setback said above.

Willy

adlabs6
01-26-2007, 11:39 PM
Nice work, but I did notice one thing.

It seems that I don't get a proper 3D depth on several of the images on this page when I use 'cross' viewing, which means that these images are probably parallel. Check the link below for details on the way this should work. In short, it looks like the near objects are far, while the far objects look near when you try to view a parallel with cross eyes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_imaging

Of the images posted so far, the only ones I've seen that appear to be proper cross eye arrangements are the rock cave, and Elizabeth Taylor. I think this can be fixed by simply reversing the left and right images?

Davinci..
01-27-2007, 12:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by adlabs6:
Nice work, but I did notice one thing.

It seems that I don't get a proper 3D depth on several of the images on this page when I use 'cross' viewing, which means that these images are probably parallel. Check the link below for details on the way this should work. In short, it looks like the near objects are far, while the far objects look near when you try to view a parallel with cross eyes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_imaging

Of the images posted so far, the only ones I've seen that appear to be proper cross eye arrangements are the rock cave, and Elizabeth Taylor. I think this can be fixed by simply reversing the left and right images? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you sure your getting them right?? have you been able to resolve the "second set" of screens?? The left and right images are very much in the right place, and the effect is very well pronouced, and unmistakable.
I cant imagin how you can be getting the distances reversed/mixed up, i dont think that is technically possible with these images. My best guess is that you're not quite getting them focused or something?

here is a new one i did tonight, that probably best shows of the level of depth that you can achieve with these.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/35/12da9.jpg

In this one, you can really see all sorts of different levels of depth in it. From all the tempests, to thier camo screens, to the 4 trees in the middle, the little car between the first and second tree, the tempest between the second and third tree. As well as all the tempests in the back, and all the trees far in the background, are all on thier own comletely different "planes" of depth.

Im getting better at shooting these and showing the 3d effect. You can probably count 10 different levels of depth in this one. Give it a try.

Mysticpuma2003
01-27-2007, 12:55 AM
That's really cool....I sit about a metre away from the screen and slowly go cross-eyed...eventually I 'crossover' and the image becomes a single one and the two images sort of 'blur out'.

Just go cross-eyed slowly, and it will work!

Very nice!

Cheers, MP.

Freycinet
01-27-2007, 01:36 AM
Fabulous work Davinci!!!!

I've enjoyed Il-2 for years and stereograms even longer, I am annoyed I didn't think of this sooner!

The Jupiter images are made for focusing behind the screen, and your images for focusing in front of the screen, i.e. going cross-eyed until they flip into place. The latter ones are much easier to "get" for most people.

Your last tries are certainly better than the first ones. The ones with tracers and the last one with revetments are super-good. Keep at it!

jurinko
01-27-2007, 07:40 AM
The last screenshot is amazing. Several depth layers there! Davinci, how much must be those screenshots moved against each other? If you move them too much, what happens?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

II_JG1.Priller
01-27-2007, 08:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Davinci..:
I put together another batch of screens, i made these a little larger, and tried to get a better look out of them.
Note: these are made for a 1024x768 screen res, if you are running higher then that they will look very small, i recommend setting your screen res down 1024x768 to view these.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3656/92231851gy4.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3666/31256277fk4.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2880/82769176sf0.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8194/34077812av0.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9845/16604684wu3.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7889/98066000zy2.jpg

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4196/12379109pq8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3220/17992711nk6.jpg

Enjoy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In this one with the pictures all the same size, if you scroll slowly once you have the "3d" effect in focus, each set down is already in "3d". Pretty cool.

Philipscdrw
01-27-2007, 09:53 AM
What I do is sit 1metre or so away from the screen, put my inder a handspan away from my nose, focus on my fingertip and then more it towards and away from me until the third image is clear, then shift focus to the third image. It's cool; I want to see if I can use this with CAD to make it easier to visualise 3d shapes...

F16_Neo
01-27-2007, 10:33 AM
Those are really cool stereograms!
If we could have some kind of real 3d in the game, imagine what deflection shooting would be like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The "eye separation" of the shots are a bit exaggerated of course, but makes a nice effect!
Uh now I will try to get my eyes back to normal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
01-27-2007, 01:07 PM
He he, that'll never work for me. I have a bit of strabism in my right eye. Normally it can't be noticed, because if I keep my sight focused, and I do it always, then my eyes look completely normal and straight. But if I relax them too much -as when I try to see these things or I am too drunk- then my right eye wanders a bit up and left, so I can't have the stereo image -Magic Eye remains a mystery for me. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

The good thing is I'm always afraid of having that stupid look that strabism can give you in public, and when I'm flirting I focus my eyes so desperately -to avoid the 'free eye trip'- that the ladies are really charmed by my intense way of staring at them and what they think is the seal of a passionate character. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Rjel
01-27-2007, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
The good thing is I'm always afraid of having that stupid look that strabism can give you in public, and when I'm flirting I focus my eyes so desperately -to avoid the 'free eye trip'- that the ladies are really charmed by my intense way of staring at them and what they think is the seal of a passionate character. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Or a stalker. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VonKlugermon
01-27-2007, 03:02 PM
One thing to make sure of, (and it appears your screenshots have done this), is to slightly alter the point of view of each picture. They are not EXACTLY the same. You have to take into account the slight difference in view-point/viewing angle that each eye has, and incorporate this into your screenshots. (Remember the scene from Wayne's World where he closes one eye, then the other? Camera one, Camera two!)


Willy

Jaws2002
01-27-2007, 04:17 PM
Great images gents. Watching them really comes natural to me after a bunch of Czech biers. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

crim3cost
02-06-2007, 07:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F16_Neo:
Those are really cool stereograms!
If we could have some kind of real 3d in the game, imagine what deflection shooting would be like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The "eye separation" of the shots are a bit exaggerated of course, but makes a nice effect!
Uh now I will try to get my eyes back to normal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In fact, nvidia's stereo drivers just do that, in game real 3d.

Foo.bar
04-20-2007, 07:23 AM
Davinci, did you make some more in the past? Can't wait...

stansdds
04-20-2007, 07:19 PM
The procedure for 3-d using Nvidia cards and the 91.31 driver (the only driver that is capable of 3-d).

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=main/howto/3dflying.htm