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HelSqnProtos
05-14-2006, 04:15 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">S~! Oleg

On behalf of the 13th Hellenic Squadron and HELL WAR Welcome back from your trip,

I hope it was enjoyable and successful for you and your Team.

We have been patiently waiting for your E3 presentation.

I have, (as most pilots have) read everything available on sites like Sim Hq ect....... However I feel compelled to say that releasing 4 screenshots is not really providing a lot of information to the community that can contribute to an accurate picture of the new Engine and its capabilities.

Of particular interest to me is Terrain Modelling and Altitude Modelling, something I feel strongly needs to be done better in B.O.B. - Towards that end I have a few questions for you Sir.

1a) How will the new Terrain Engine compare, feature and resource wise say to the Ranger Terrain Engine located Here (http://web.interware.hu/bandi/ranger.html)

b) High Altitude modelling has been one of the weaker points in IL2 - (I know the original engine was not designed for H.A. fighting, but ground targets) but can we expect better representation,perspective and visibility from higher altitudes? If so a screenshot or two would be nice.

c) Sir imho one of the weak points of our current sim is the low draw distance and object visibility/perspective/scale. What if anything is being done to address these issues. Of particular concern would be smoke columns, buldings 'popping' into view ect......... Has the new engine got anything to address these particular issues and others?

d) The cockpits are obviously beautiful. However there does not seem to be much change to water and clouds (at least from the shots released so far) can you comment?

e) British countryside: I don't expect a shot of the "Cliffs of Dover" but can we get a representative sample of what we can expect flying over rural England. Respectfully, hedgrows and fields are something we DEARLY need in the sim. A few fences, smaller streams and ponds wouldn't hurt either.

Of course I have a million more questions, but if you can find time to answer these or send someone from your staff it would be appreciated. Looking forward to the new B.O.B forum soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Respects and Regards.</span>

HelSqnProtos
05-14-2006, 04:15 PM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">S~! Oleg

On behalf of the 13th Hellenic Squadron and HELL WAR Welcome back from your trip,

I hope it was enjoyable and successful for you and your Team.

We have been patiently waiting for your E3 presentation.

I have, (as most pilots have) read everything available on sites like Sim Hq ect....... However I feel compelled to say that releasing 4 screenshots is not really providing a lot of information to the community that can contribute to an accurate picture of the new Engine and its capabilities.

Of particular interest to me is Terrain Modelling and Altitude Modelling, something I feel strongly needs to be done better in B.O.B. - Towards that end I have a few questions for you Sir.

1a) How will the new Terrain Engine compare, feature and resource wise say to the Ranger Terrain Engine located Here (http://web.interware.hu/bandi/ranger.html)

b) High Altitude modelling has been one of the weaker points in IL2 - (I know the original engine was not designed for H.A. fighting, but ground targets) but can we expect better representation,perspective and visibility from higher altitudes? If so a screenshot or two would be nice.

c) Sir imho one of the weak points of our current sim is the low draw distance and object visibility/perspective/scale. What if anything is being done to address these issues. Of particular concern would be smoke columns, buldings 'popping' into view ect......... Has the new engine got anything to address these particular issues and others?

d) The cockpits are obviously beautiful. However there does not seem to be much change to water and clouds (at least from the shots released so far) can you comment?

e) British countryside: I don't expect a shot of the "Cliffs of Dover" but can we get a representative sample of what we can expect flying over rural England. Respectfully, hedgrows and fields are something we DEARLY need in the sim. A few fences, smaller streams and ponds wouldn't hurt either.

Of course I have a million more questions, but if you can find time to answer these or send someone from your staff it would be appreciated. Looking forward to the new B.O.B forum soon. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Respects and Regards.</span>

AKA_TAGERT
05-14-2006, 05:23 PM
here yah go

http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/looking_down_on_earth.jpg

Tator_Totts
05-14-2006, 08:18 PM
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Chivas
05-14-2006, 08:38 PM
I'm with you Proto's and can't wait for further news and screenshots. From what I've read Oleg didn't show much of the terrain at E3, but the word is that the clouds and water were outstanding. I'm sure we will be getting screenshots in due time as the terrain starts to flesh out. It didn't sound like the terrain was anywhere near completion for screenshots. I guess Oleg could release a screenshot but some people don't bother to read and realize the screenshot is a work in progress and immediately start trashing the sim.

goshikisen
05-14-2006, 08:45 PM
I'd like to know if the world of SW:BoB has roads and railroad tracks with radius curves in them as opposed to the abrupt 45 degree turns we see now. This alone would make a huge difference.

chris455
05-14-2006, 11:43 PM
I would like to know if SoW/BoB will support the Ageia physx chip.
Also will radio direction finding (such as "Knickebein") be implemented?

Mysticpuma2003
05-15-2006, 03:54 AM
I'd actually like to see curved rail tracks/ rail heads/ shunting yards/ rail stations AND...... the ability to strafe a steam engine, but rather than the 1 frame animation from moving train, to smoking and static train, I would love it if they could do what Shockwave did with Firepower for CFS3.

Trains still keep on running...BUT... with jets of steam issuing from the bolier on the engine, before eventually exploding...truly, truly amazing to see.

Cheers, MP.

Darkbluesky
05-15-2006, 05:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

1a) How will the new Terrain Engine compare, feature and resource wise say to the Ranger Terrain Engine located Here (http://web.interware.hu/bandi/ranger.html)

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This Ranger terrain engine is impressive, and it do not seem so fps eater as I would think.
I would love to read some official comment on applying it or similar or why it can't be applied. Just to know that they have consider a terrain engine like this.

96th_Nightshifter
05-15-2006, 07:27 AM
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Vrabac
05-15-2006, 08:23 AM
Strange, but I must agree with Protos. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif More info would be much appreciated. Than again, it's probably all part of keeping us on our toes out of expectation.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-15-2006, 03:17 PM
Patience.

We just learned we don't have to wait another year - at least not according to the plan.

Why make such a noise, now? Can't we just get something and be happy with it for more than 4 days?

Foo.bar
05-15-2006, 11:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Why make such a noise, now? Can't we just get something and be happy with it for more than 4 days? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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mazexx
05-15-2006, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Patience.

We just learned we don't have to wait another year - at least not according to the plan.

Why make such a noise, now? Can't we just get something and be happy with it for more than 4 days? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, you have a zoo with a cage full of hyenas. You don't feed them for a few months and then throw them an old bone (or rather four). Do you expect them to sit tight wating patiently for the next bone to arrive when they really want a fat zebra to chew on? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not that they would fight less when the zebra finally arrives and some of them think that it tastes like antelope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif OK, they have an old gnu that they have not really finished yet but that does not matter - the smell of the fresh zebra is getting stronger and then the old gnu tastes kind of stale even though nothing is really wrong with it...

We want more bones! I agree with Protos that a terrain bone would be nice!

/Mazex

Darkbluesky
05-15-2006, 11:27 PM
There are several ways of understand these posts; simply that someone reads this and take note of one of the things that would be nice to know about for future development updates...that's all, at least IMO.

Although maybe, people with more expertise in these forums knows better how some comments could develop on time... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
05-16-2006, 01:38 AM
hmmm, mazexx, so you either discribed the real meaning of "teaser", admitted that no news would be better or that you are really hungry - or any combination of these. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

mazexx
05-16-2006, 02:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
hmmm, mazexx, so you either discribed the real meaning of "teaser", admitted that no news would be better or that you are really hungry - or any combination of these. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What I'm really getting at is the sad nature of mankind and thus the forum members here. We want everything tomorrow but we don't want stuff made in a day... When we get good stuff we want better stuff and the old things are expended and boring. We want those screenshots even though we know that Oleg feels that there is still work to be done on the landscape to please us. It's a loose - loose situation for him. I guess he's kind of used to that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

In no way do I put myself as anything else than a hyena. I really do want those screen shots badly now and I will probably whine if they are not good enough when they arrive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The final touches of the 3D engine adds 50% of the atmosphere and it's most likely not there yet in the form of eye candy, lighting stuff and such. Oleg has always been a perfectionist and thank god for that. He only shows stuff that he is content with. In the BoB project he is now content with some of the cockpits, and has been so for a while. Thats why we only get them. The landscape is probably 75% done or something like that, and we will not see it until it's 95% done. Thats the way he's always done it.

Still, I'm only human and therefore I want the screenshots tomorrow...

/Mazex

Capt.LoneRanger
05-16-2006, 02:27 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Well said.


I'd like to see those screenies, too, but, honestly, it doesn't kill me, if I get to see them in the next weeks or in the next month. See what was done to the screenies of the Hurry-Test-Version. Just a simple semi-transparent skin, but still there are threads popping up, claiming this was the wrong squadron, wrong insignas, etc.

Guess you are correct about the loose-loose situation. Still, I trust in Oleg. He stated, that after a big presentation close to the official release, there will be dev-updates, loads of screenies, etc. He also stated, they made such a big advance, they don't want to give any competitors a chance to pull even until the release is immanent.

Patience, young Padawan, patience.

Darkbluesky
05-16-2006, 04:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Well said.


I'd like to see those screenies, too, but, honestly, it doesn't kill me, if I get to see them in the next weeks or in the next month. See what was done to the screenies of the Hurry-Test-Version. Just a simple semi-transparent skin, but still there are threads popping up, claiming this was the wrong squadron, wrong insignas, etc.

Guess you are correct about the loose-loose situation. Still, I trust in Oleg. He stated, that after a big presentation close to the official release, there will be dev-updates, loads of screenies, etc. He also stated, they made such a big advance, they don't want to give any competitors a chance to pull even until the release is immanent.

Patience, young Padawan, patience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LEBillfish
05-16-2006, 08:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mazexx:
OK, you have a zoo with a cage full of hyenas. You don't feed them for a few months and then throw them an old bone (or rather four). Do you expect them to sit tight wating patiently for the next bone to arrive when they really want a fat zebra to chew on? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not that they would fight less when the zebra finally arrives and some of them think that it tastes like antelope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif OK, they have an old gnu that they have not really finished yet but that does not matter - the smell of the fresh zebra is getting stronger and then the old gnu tastes kind of stale even though nothing is really wrong with it...

We want more bones! I agree with Protos that a terrain bone would be nice!

/Mazex </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm......Well, that's nothing Gnu around here, but is a Gnu way of looking at it. When the players get something Gnu they forget about the old wanting more Gnu things. So what's all this about Zebra's?

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HelSqnProtos
05-16-2006, 09:27 AM
S~!

As usual what was a simple request post for more information gets sidetracked with debates on whether we should have the right to ask. (these stupid comments never cease to amaze) The whole point of a developer forum is requests for information and dialogue/feedback.

Something which has not happened here in a very very long time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The whole secrecy thing has gotten old -- as has the closed beta process and the constant attempts to "spin the message" -- However that is another post.

ORR is the developers forum. The place to come and asks questions on the current and future issues that affect the sim. If you don't want to know - fine - But don't try to stop others from asking.

Simming is different from gaming - by its nature it is a constant quest for realism that REQUIRES input and Dialogue. Unfortunately the gamers are gaining ground.

Vrabac
05-16-2006, 10:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

As usual what was a simple request post for more information gets sidetracked with debates on whether we should have the right to ask. (these stupid comments never cease to amaze) The whole point of a developer forum is requests for information and dialogue/feedback.

Something which has not happened here in a very very long time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The whole secrecy thing has gotten old -- as has the closed beta process and the constant attempts to "spin the message" -- However that is another post.

ORR is the developers forum. The place to come and asks questions on the current and future issues that affect the sim. If you don't want to know - fine - But don't try to stop others from asking.

Simming is different from gaming - by its nature it is a constant quest for realism that REQUIRES input and Dialogue. Unfortunately the gamers are gaining ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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(WTF is wrong with me lately?) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
05-16-2006, 10:08 AM
Well, I'm not quite sure, HelSqnProtos, but maybe it has to do with about two dozen threads like this over 4 different IL2-Boards + some similar on SimHQ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

mazexx
05-16-2006, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LEBillfish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mazexx:
OK, you have a zoo with a cage full of hyenas. You don't feed them for a few months and then throw them an old bone (or rather four). Do you expect them to sit tight wating patiently for the next bone to arrive when they really want a fat zebra to chew on? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Not that they would fight less when the zebra finally arrives and some of them think that it tastes like antelope http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif OK, they have an old gnu that they have not really finished yet but that does not matter - the smell of the fresh zebra is getting stronger and then the old gnu tastes kind of stale even though nothing is really wrong with it...

We want more bones! I agree with Protos that a terrain bone would be nice!

/Mazex </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmmm......Well, that's nothing Gnu around here, but is a Gnu way of looking at it. When the players get something Gnu they forget about the old wanting more Gnu things. So what's all this about Zebra's?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never underestimate monochrome animals! The most interesting beast that is behind the whole hyena plot is naturally the steppenwolf, leaving us restless and unsatisfied until the Zebra has been caught http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

/Mazex

HelSqnProtos
05-16-2006, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
Well, I'm not quite sure, HelSqnProtos, but maybe it has to do with about two dozen threads like this over 4 different IL2-Boards + some similar on SimHQ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does that have to do with ORR??

Far as I know Oleg doesn't post there. He posts here.

So I asked my question here. You know the Developers Forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Further I haven't seen my question replicated on any other board that you mention. My questions are about the core of the sim. Which AGAIN we know nothing................ so again I repeat, if you don't want to know.................... fine. Don't ask, but don't try to censor my thread and stop the discussion.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-16-2006, 10:22 AM
Oleg posts and reads all forums. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

I'm not censoring your thread, I just dare to ask, what it will help, other than creating a hurricane in the bath-tub?

faustnik
05-16-2006, 10:24 AM
There are some answers here:

http://www.simhq.com/_air6/air_220a.html

HelSqnProtos
05-16-2006, 10:29 AM
S~!

Did you read the original post or what??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

There is nothing new in that article and I read it soon as it came out.

All of this has been known for quite some time with the possible exception of the thermal modelling. The whole interview was "lite" which is something even the interviewer noted.

There is no reason for secrecy anymore. There are NO challengers to Oleg at the moment, at least not in WWII sims.

faustnik
05-16-2006, 10:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

Did you read the original post or what??? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

There is nothing new in that article and I read it soon as it came out.

All of this has been known for quite some time with the possible exception of the thermal modelling. The whole interview was "lite" which is something even the interviewer noted.

There is no reason for secrecy anymore. There are NO challengers to Oleg at the moment, at least not in WWII sims. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

S!

Glad I could help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
05-16-2006, 10:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> There is no reason for secrecy anymore. There are NO challengers to Oleg at the moment, at least not in WWII sims. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Can you lend me that chrystal ball of yours, please?

HelSqnProtos
05-16-2006, 11:07 AM
S~!

It won't do you any good till you remove those fanboy glasses that are obsuring your vision.......

Bobsqueek
05-16-2006, 11:56 AM
If Oleg wanted to show pics of that stuff, He would.

But he hasnt.

So he doesnt want to.

Which means he wont show pics of that stuff.

So asking aint gonna make no difference.

End of.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-16-2006, 12:15 PM
I wonder who's wearing fanboy glasses?

There is a remake of B17II TheMightyEighth coming, a sequel to Shockwaves BoBII, 2 Action-Flighsims have been released recently, a third just a few days ago, 2 more are coming. Another 2 flightsims are on the way, both using the IL2-engine - one of them will be a WW1 sim, the other is yet unknown.

How do you know none of these and no other, as BoB secretly developed sim is not going to be released until the end of the year? Not to speak of a possible sequel to CFS and several addons to that...

Don't get me wrong - you're shooting the messenger here. I want those pics as much as you do, but this man is in the buisiness for over 8 years, now, and I guess he knows a lot better what is going on, than any of us. That's all I'm saying, like it, or not.

Brain32
05-16-2006, 12:21 PM
Geeeeeeeez wtf is wrong with you guys Protos is asking a valid question in a right place. Besides if you are not interested why are you bumping this thread with silly remarks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif?

Also from this sticky: http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63110913/m/5011022763

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Purpose of Oleg`s Ready Room:

1) Dialog with the developer:

a) Questions regarding IL-2 series and future flight simulations.
b) Suggestions for current products and future line of products.
c) Personal questions €" but please, be reasonable </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Any further comments?

Codex1971
05-16-2006, 04:51 PM
Tell them nothing OLEG! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Its like sneaking down the stairs on X-Mas eve and opening your present for a sneak preview before the big day... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Don't give in to the spoilt kids http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a362/CodexAssassin/20050818-c2_14.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

HelSqnProtos
05-16-2006, 06:18 PM
......... you contributed nothing to this thread - but whatever thanks for the bump.

Chivas
05-16-2006, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I wonder who's wearing fanboy glasses?

There is a remake of B17II TheMightyEighth coming, a sequel to Shockwaves BoBII, 2 Action-Flighsims have been released recently, a third just a few days ago, 2 more are coming. Another 2 flightsims are on the way, both using the IL2-engine - one of them will be a WW1 sim, the other is yet unknown.

How do you know none of these and no other, as BoB secretly developed sim is not going to be released until the end of the year? Not to speak of a possible sequel to CFS and several addons to that...

Don't get me wrong - you're shooting the messenger here. I want those pics as much as you do, but this man is in the buisiness for over 8 years, now, and I guess he knows a lot better what is going on, than any of us. That's all I'm saying, like it, or not. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hello Ranger

B1711 sequel has been cancelled. There is no sequel to BOB WOV other than a patch or two. BOB WOV will be a deader than it is now when Olegs BOB comes out. All due respect to those still working on BOB WOV but its tough sledding with the poor unstable code they have to work with.
Hopefully Microsoft will do a combat sim based on their new FSX code, but other than that the pickings are slim.
I do have high hopes for the WW1 sim base on Olegs FB code.

slo_1_2_3
05-16-2006, 07:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
here yah go

http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/looking_down_on_earth.jpg </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
DAng my comp will never run that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

jurinko
05-17-2006, 12:14 AM
If present FB engine can do this (http://www.letka13.sk/%7Ejurinko/betamap_scr49.JPG) or this (http://www.letka13.sk/%7Ejurinko/betamap_scr50.JPG), BoB must be impressive. I suppose the detailness of the surface will be higher (now 200x200m is defined by one height point) and the system of ground textures may be completely different.

Capt.LoneRanger
05-17-2006, 12:52 AM
@ Chivas:

Sorry to hear, that B17II was cancelled. The forums were quite promising. But then, it's hard to stand against IL2/FB http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Hopefully we get flyable multi-engined bombers with addons to WoW:BoB.


@Brain and Protos

Okay, you're right. We have the right to demand screenshots of an upcoming game, the quality and realism of the game is depending on our feedback, as no other game(genre), and we also have a right to know how the flight modell and memory usage works in the final, though you are in pre-alpha-stage.

Forgive my ignorance - you're right in each single point. Thank you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

HelSqnProtos
05-17-2006, 12:57 AM
S~!

Apology accepted Sir !!

Welcome aboard. It takes a thinker to say what you said.

ImpStarDuece
05-17-2006, 01:22 AM
Is it just me, or did Protos just completely to fail to understand the basic concept of scarcasm?

Capt.LoneRanger
05-17-2006, 01:44 AM
Why, ImpStarDuece?

I was too lazy to copy and paste, but except the alpha-stage thing, that is exactly, what the initial posts said? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

HelSqnProtos
05-17-2006, 04:37 AM
S~!

Well I guess that confirms it, just you as usual Imp ....

ImpStarDuece
05-17-2006, 07:18 AM
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Capt.LoneRanger
05-17-2006, 08:00 AM
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Vrabac
05-17-2006, 10:14 AM
And here it is at page 3 already. And it all started with one very simple request. Than 3 pages of people asking "how can you request that", while they have absolutely no call in the area request is about. It's such a fun forum... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

JG4_Helofly
05-17-2006, 10:40 AM
It would also be fun to see some pics from damaged aircrafts to see how the dynamic DM look like http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chivas
05-17-2006, 11:11 AM
Ranger

Just finished reading the latest at Simhq and there is two more flight sims coming out that have not been announced. Not sure if they are combat flight sims but the SimHq staff say they should knock our socks off. But it sounds like Oleg will have some competition which bodes well for all combat flight simmers.

They also said Nobody will be disappointed with Oleg's BOB. Although there are a few Nobody's lurking at most forums. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

~Salute~
Chivas

Capt.LoneRanger
05-17-2006, 12:46 PM
Hey, Chivas. Good find. I remembered something about them, but I wasn't sure and assumed it was a sequel from shockwave. But I knew one of them is a WW2-Sim based on the FB-engine. There was an announcement just before the E3 - I just don't have that link any more. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Do you have a link for the SimHQ-threads?

Thanks!

joeap
05-17-2006, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

As usual what was a simple request post for more information gets sidetracked with debates on whether we should have the right to ask. (these stupid comments never cease to amaze) The whole point of a developer forum is requests for information and dialogue/feedback.

Something which has not happened here in a very very long time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

The whole secrecy thing has gotten old -- as has the closed beta process and the constant attempts to "spin the message" -- However that is another post.

ORR is the developers forum. The place to come and asks questions on the current and future issues that affect the sim. If you don't want to know - fine - But don't try to stop others from asking.

Simming is different from gaming - by its nature it is a constant quest for realism that REQUIRES input and Dialogue. Unfortunately the gamers are gaining ground. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif Eagerly awaiting information.

Chivas
05-17-2006, 03:42 PM
Here's a link with a couple of quotes I found interesting.


http://www.simhq.com/_all/all_021a.html

"This year I find myself mildly optimistic that things are finally turning around with regard to flight simulations. Microsoft has finally announced the release of it's potential mega hit Flight Simulator X. It's been three years in development, a bit longer than the normal cycle, but it's nice to finally see and fly the sim after the hiatus. Oleg Maddox debuted his new project in the form of Storm of War: The Battle of Britain, and believe me, no one is going to be disappointed. I'll be happy with those two titles alone sometime around the end of this year. There are a few other things which made me drool, but I can't tell you what they are, or I will have to kill you! Suffice it to say, we are all going to be pleasantly, if not dramatically surprised about what is coming next year."


"There are at least two new unannounced flight sims that you'll flip over when they're announced. Not intentionally teasing... just want you to be aware there's more good stuff coming."

HelSqnProtos
05-17-2006, 04:07 PM
S~!

Well since it seems all the secrecy and fanboy stupidity is in full effect ......... might as well talk about the next REALLY BIG thing for sims.

Fighter Ops (http://www.fighterops.com/downloads.htm)

<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">I am beyond impressed.

This is how a sim should be run !!!!!.</span>

Capt.LoneRanger
05-17-2006, 04:16 PM
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HelSqnProtos
05-17-2006, 04:27 PM
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269GA-Veltro
05-18-2006, 09:37 AM
....fields view in the Oleg's BoB.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

http://www.simhq.com/_all/all_022a.html (http://www.simhq.com/_all/all_022a.htm)

http://simhq.com/_air6/sow_bob/images/Fields.jpg

..town view..

http://simhq.com/_air6/sow_bob/images/Town.jpg

JG52Uther
05-18-2006, 10:04 AM
Oh my!!!! I can see my house http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

9th_simplex
05-18-2006, 10:07 AM
Hmmm...
well the images do show 2 tiles of the new ground textures and no "bird's eye" view down to the ground.. Worst case would be we see them repeated on and on.. 2nd question: how populated will they be with objects and how will they be aligned with the textures.. hmm..

You see, this images don'T show us too much. What we want are images rendered by the game engine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brain32
05-18-2006, 10:32 AM
Thx for the link Veltro http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
BTW the site is currently so slow BOB will be out before all those pictures load http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
I though they solved the speed problem at SimHQ,(I'm a lurker there)...

269GA-Veltro
05-18-2006, 10:48 AM
Yes, SimHQ is very slow now....so a mirror could help http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif:

http://ourworld.cs.com/veltrof2/BoB/Fields.JPG

http://ourworld.cs.com/veltrof2/BoB/Town.JPG

Megile_
05-18-2006, 11:19 AM
Oleg, give up the secret formula to Kellog's frosties!!111111

269GA-Veltro
05-18-2006, 12:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 9th_simplex:
Hmmm...
well the images do show 2 tiles of the new ground textures and no "bird's eye" view down to the ground.. Worst case would be we see them repeated on and on.. 2nd question: how populated will they be with objects and how will they be aligned with the textures.. hmm..

You see, this images don'T show us too much. What we want are images rendered by the game engine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

These images are probably a joke...only a couple of photo posted on simhq. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BTW they are nice.

MB80
05-18-2006, 04:03 PM
These ground screens fit perfectly together, you can add the same one to the Top, the bottom, or left or right.. great work.

ManicGibber
05-18-2006, 05:27 PM
Great, that means textures repeated infinausium?

ManicGibber
05-18-2006, 06:08 PM
That RangerMk2 terrain renderer looks promising Protos except one point, it seems to me that it's years behind what 1C Maddox has to date, a fully functioning flight sim with the current IL2-FB+AEP+PF+PE2. Is there any comparison that can be made with BOB, I wouldn't have thought so? Seriously can one compare a partially completed terrain renderer with a flight sim which is very close to being released for sale to general public.

Chivas
05-18-2006, 09:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ManicGibber:
Great, that means textures repeated infinausium? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I highly doubt that will be the only tile.

actionhank1786
05-19-2006, 01:38 AM
Well i'll just say it, so far it's been 3 pages of not a whole lot of anything.
Oleg's under no contract to release information, when this forum was started, it was to pose questions to Oleg for him to answer regarding Il-2. Not to bother him with posting info and pictures about his next big thing.
Have some damn patience, things will be shown when they're good and ready.
I'm sure Oleg's not reading over the countless posts asking for new info on BOB, laughing maniacally and sipping brandy with a cat in his lap.
The man's working, and we'll all see things about the game when Oleg says it's time.
Nothing's going to change that.

269GA-Veltro
05-19-2006, 11:21 AM
Here a mirror to the water effect movie:

http://www.150gct.it/users/150GCT_Veltro/water.zip

The codec FOURCC Code IV50 here

http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/dow...stl.exe&DwnldID=2846 (http://downloadfinder.intel.com/scripts-df-external/download.aspx?url=/2846/eng/codinstl.exe&DwnldID=2846)

Chivas
05-19-2006, 12:14 PM
Thanks Veltro

Recon_609IAP
05-20-2006, 06:18 AM
Good post - excellent questions to ask a developer.

Now, if the other 90% of the poster on this thread would goto cartoon network's forum and leave this one, we'd all be better off for it.

Visiting this forum, reading a good post, then seeing 3 pages of BS where people try to post lousy humor, personal attacks - most of them acting *as if* they are Oleg deciding what Oleg will or won't do is just plain ignorant and boring.

I as well want to learn more, see more, have more dialog - as mentioned, why the secrecy? What competitor is going to compete on this anyway? We've already seen many flops try to do this right.

I know the moderators would need to work 24/7 on this forum, but perhaps a ban from the ORR for most these guys would allow for a cleaner forum.

(and thanks 269GA-Veltro - at least we have an attempt here to pass along relevant information)

ploughman
05-20-2006, 06:50 AM
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Codex1971
05-20-2006, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Recon_609IAP:
Good post - excellent questions to ask a developer.

Now, if the other 90% of the poster on this thread would goto cartoon network's forum and leave this one, we'd all be better off for it.

Visiting this forum, reading a good post, then seeing 3 pages of BS where people try to post lousy humor, personal attacks - most of them acting *as if* they are Oleg deciding what Oleg will or won't do is just plain ignorant and boring.

I as well want to learn more, see more, have more dialog - as mentioned, why the secrecy? What competitor is going to compete on this anyway? We've already seen many flops try to do this right.

I know the moderators would need to work 24/7 on this forum, but perhaps a ban from the ORR for most these guys would allow for a cleaner forum.

(and thanks 269GA-Veltro - at least we have an attempt here to pass along relevant information) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well as one of those "90%" I would just like to say that I too am wanting updates, which red blooded fan of this sim wouldn't?! But what really gets up my nose is when posters try and intimidate the developer to get things they want or demand...running around and saying "why the secrecy?" or "XYZ in IL2/PF is wrong, will it be fixed in BOB?" is just plain insulting.

If the developer wants to post screen shots and/or videos then that is their decision.

My custom pic on page 1 is my way of saying that some in here act really childish when it comes to asking for things from Oleg, give it a rest guys, when Oleg is ready he'll show you what you'll get in BOB. As "Mazex" said, Oleg is a perfectionist, so lets just all be patient and let him do his thing.

Peace brothers! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

heywooood
05-20-2006, 10:01 AM
E3 is over....where's the loot?

so far all I see are traces of old news and a few wip pics that must be very old if this November is the touted release period.

Too close to the vest Oleg...time to do a little crowing. Let us see (and hear?) a little more please.

heywooood
05-21-2006, 09:29 AM
bump...for the cartoon network...


ya'll know you want it, what is the harm in asking for it.


updates welcome is all I'm saying...