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bigbossmalone
09-06-2007, 09:14 AM
Hi all
Recently, K_Freddie posted a few pics of several NATO warships in Cape Town harbour. These warships were here as part of a NATO coalition war exercise. Today there is a an article in the national newspaper saying that a solitary South African sub, S-101 (one of our newest, but definitely nothing as fancy as some of our European/US counterparts, managed to single-handedly 'sink' the ENTIRE NATO fleet in said wargames. The sub managed to stay undetected throughout the exercise.
I was in discussion with my old man about this, he's a retired naval anti-sub specialist, and he says its not that surprising, as the waters around Cape Point (south of Cape Town) are notoriously difficult to detect subs in. I'll chat a bit more to him about why this is so, but now I gotta get to work.
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bigbossmalone
09-06-2007, 09:14 AM
Hi all
Recently, K_Freddie posted a few pics of several NATO warships in Cape Town harbour. These warships were here as part of a NATO coalition war exercise. Today there is a an article in the national newspaper saying that a solitary South African sub, S-101 (one of our newest, but definitely nothing as fancy as some of our European/US counterparts, managed to single-handedly 'sink' the ENTIRE NATO fleet in said wargames. The sub managed to stay undetected throughout the exercise.
I was in discussion with my old man about this, he's a retired naval anti-sub specialist, and he says its not that surprising, as the waters around Cape Point (south of Cape Town) are notoriously difficult to detect subs in. I'll chat a bit more to him about why this is so, but now I gotta get to work.
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JG53Frankyboy
09-06-2007, 09:18 AM
http://www.navy.mil.za/equipment/submarines.htm

these modern diesel-electric Subs were never easy to detect......................

Monterey13
09-06-2007, 09:20 AM
Highly unlikely. Will have to look into this further.

Stay tuned.

Bremspropeller
09-06-2007, 09:22 AM
LoL, german Bundesmarine Class 206 subs have sunk US carriers during multiple exercises, so it's actually the NATO minus the carriers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

JG53Frankyboy
09-06-2007, 09:31 AM
the mentioned exercice
http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/0709/070905_Amazolo2/article.htm

Monterey13
09-06-2007, 09:39 AM
Simulated...yes.

If the sub had actually fired torpedoes, the ships would have locked on him in an instant, and he most likely would have perished.

I know the USS Normandy has torpedo countermeasures that could have possibly made the torpedoes miss.

Without actual launches, no one can know.

Kudos to them for their ability to hide, though.

Enforcer572005
09-06-2007, 06:25 PM
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Yeah, in a real shooting war, they would usually score well at first, but eventually bite it when their fish give them away. Still, it shows that ASW is still one of the most important jobs a DD does.

I wonder if there were any 688 class SSNs around. I kinda doubt it, but in closed in waters they would hampered.

A good argument for not sinking any more perfectly good Spruance Class DDs as targets.

Dagnabit
09-06-2007, 11:17 PM
Some of the roughest water in the world down there.Also alot of salinity changes, and fast moving currents.
Dag

K_Freddie
09-07-2007, 12:15 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dagnabit:
Some of the roughest water in the world down there.Also alot of salinity changes, and fast moving currents.
Dag </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The older local sub captains are in their backyard so know the conditions like the back of their hands. Any 'newbie' will take losses, but as in normal warfare it's numbers that count.
If I was the ZA cappy I'd launch one full set of torps and then run like hell, silently of course, using all the conditions to my advantage.
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Skoshi Tiger
09-07-2007, 01:18 AM
Stealth is all that counts. The HMS Conqueror sank Belgrano with a WWII vintage Mk8 Torpedo.

to do so it slipped right passed the destroyer screen to within a few kilometers.

I still remember the photo of the Conqueror comming into harbour with its skull & crossbones flying from the tower.

When they're running on batteries the new diesel/electric subs are quieter than the Nuclear ones. They just have limited range/endurance.

Abbuzze
09-07-2007, 03:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skoshi Tiger:

When they're running on batteries the new diesel/electric subs are quieter than the Nuclear ones. They just have limited range/endurance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right, but they have different duties - coast guard for example. And newer designs can stay under water up to two weeks. I think for thair duties it should be enough.

bigbossmalone
09-07-2007, 04:45 AM
Of course, in K_Freddie's original pics, there are clearly pics of his kid fiddling around with various armaments/systems on the ships -
Freddie, did you get the little saboteur to successfully deactivate a few vital systems, mate?
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