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flyingskid2
03-23-2004, 08:59 AM
it just doesn't love me. What should I do? It climbs so slowly, then shutdowns its engine if i use emergency power for 5 seconds. i can't outturn anybody and i can't outrun anybody. I've suffered many deaths just so I can fly this bird. What do I get in response? Indifference.

I'll probably just go back to P-63.

flyingskid2
03-23-2004, 08:59 AM
it just doesn't love me. What should I do? It climbs so slowly, then shutdowns its engine if i use emergency power for 5 seconds. i can't outturn anybody and i can't outrun anybody. I've suffered many deaths just so I can fly this bird. What do I get in response? Indifference.

I'll probably just go back to P-63.

Fehler
03-23-2004, 09:17 AM
Like all MW50 equipped planes, you have to engage the MW50 at low RPM or your engine will go kaput. I suggest turning it on when you start the engine on the ground. Yes, you will have to see that ugly text on the right hand side of your screen forever, but the MW50 will automatically kick in at 100% throttle and not damage your engine.

Above 9000 you can use GM1 nitro boost. Make sure your rads are open as the auto function doesnt work, even though you see a textual message option for it.

The trick to fly the Ta is to ALWAYS have an alt/energy advantage. Fight in the verticle and use hi-low yo-yos when attacking.

It is NOT a good stand alone dogfighter without an extreme energy advantage! It bleeds E fast, so turning is not a great idea.

Shoot to kill and shoot in close with a short convergence. Your target will go boom.

This is probably the most overlooked feature of all the 190's in my opinion. Stay away from servers with externals on. Surprise is your best option... an option taken from all B&Z aircraft in external view servers. (That's why you will notice that most T&B hosted servers keep those externals on or cockpits off.

If you want to fly the best 190, fly the A-5! As someone put it the other day when I was boasting about the plane.. it's a Warewolf!

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crazyivan1970
03-23-2004, 09:18 AM
This is really General discussion topic... but maybe Oleg will comment on this.

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Zen--
03-23-2004, 09:54 AM
Fehler makes some really good points, heed his advice.

I find the Ta152 to be a treacherous beyotch myself, but one that is in many ways even more rewarding than the D9 or the other 190's.

I think in part it's precisely because it can't outrun or outturn anyone that it's more appealing in some ways...it actually requires a higher degree of 'FW mentality' to survive with.


Some things that really help:

Sustained climb rate is 22m/s at 110% power, MW50 engaged, radiator full open and 80% prop pitch. Climb speed varies between 240kph and 270kph depending on altitude (thats indicated, not true airspeed).

You will generally reach 3500 meters or higher before the overheat warning comes on. I don't recommend to run the TA152 hot, but it can be done. I'm very paranoid about engine management, especially in AEP and so I rarely let it stay hot for more than a minute at a time.

To cool the engine, throttle down to less than 80% power or even better, 50% power. I use the lowest possible throttle when cruising simply to keep the engine as cool as possible, obviously when engaged I use all the power I can get my hands on. The trick with the Ta152 is to manage your engine BEFORE you make contact in order to give you the longest possible engagement time.

The Ta with combat flaps is extremely competitive in turning with almost anything else including spitfires, until speed gets to about 240-260kph. At very low speeds the Ta152 is definately going to be outturned by pure TnB fighters, so try to maintain a higher than 300kph speed which generally means avoiding long sustained turns.

If you can't get a shot within 90 to 180 degrees of turn, go vertical instead. (high yo-yo) At least you are breaking the monotony of the fight and adding a vertical component which is better on energy than pure horizontal turning while making yourself somewhat less predictable to other bandits.

Energy bleed is bad in the Ta152 which really keeps it out of the stall fighting arena, but the turn rate is still awesome enough to get you those shots that D9 pilots only dream of, it's just that you cannot follow the enemy through long and sustained turning fights. Short and rapid turns with climbs, mini extensions and dives are great for the Ta though, I've been pretty happy with it in that regard.


The main thing with the Ta152 is to stay fast. I don't think this is true with the D9, it's quite good at low speed and accelerates well enough to get fast again, but the Ta152 is not a racecar and usually gets eaten alive when low and slow simply because it cannot get fast again.

The top speed also limits at-will extension, one must be pretty clever sometimes to get seperation during an engagement. Because of this the Ta152 is not really a get in and sweep the field all by itself kind of plane, but like any FW if used properly inside a big furball it can be deadly.

Confusion really helps the 190 series because it tends to minimize their one on one disadvantages while maximizing their strengths of good firepower and generally good acceleration. As long as one plane doesn't latch onto your Ta152 exclusively, the plane does very very well at low altitude furballing.

Once you get that single guy who is determined to stay with you, you probably need to exit the fight and work only with that one bandit, otherwise you will end up getting shot down fairly quickly.


In general though, as long as you don't have determined planes after you specifically, the Ta152 is a very dangerous plane. In groups, they can be downright frightening at low altitude, because they most definately can turn and have a gunsight that gives more deflection than the regular 190's.


I fly the Ta152 online without a wingman, no voice comms and generally dive into the furballs all alone. Naturally I get shot down a lot, but you learn a lot too which is why I recommend it.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-23-2004, 09:58 AM
Or just throttle back to zero before hitting MW50 button...both to turn it on and before turning it off--not so bad if you plan to use it shortly before hand.

You want to use it at HIGH altitude. Up there it beats all other planes including the jets (their speed advantage vanishes up there) and you find its the best handling plane up high. And up high you will find True Love with Ta. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

For the sea level internet dogfight servers, use Fw instead.

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Zen--
03-23-2004, 10:01 AM
I still maintain the Ta152 is great at low altitude. Perhaps I have lost my marbles though, but that is where the plane gets most of it's action and so is the place I fly it.

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LEXX_Luthor
03-23-2004, 10:04 AM
Yes Ta is "great" at low altitude but so are all the others.

Only Ta is GREAT at high altitude where all others Fear to Fly when Ta is above the Sky. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Zen--
03-23-2004, 10:15 AM
lol

So true, so true

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flyingskid2
03-23-2004, 10:28 AM
ah, there's my problem. i have my throttle programmed to hit the WEP button once the lever goes past the afterburner indentetation (thrustmaster TQS), normally 100%. gotta reprogram this to separate WEP activation.

Thanks everybody for the tips. But Zen, you just divulged an important weakness of Ta152. Now everybody knows to latch onto the plane exclusively, or worse, to gang up on it. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Fehler
03-23-2004, 10:46 AM
I really try to never dip below 300-320 IAS in the Ta because it does handle very nicely at fast speeds.

You got to take the thing up to nose bleed alts and watch for the furball to develop into a "Follow the leader" before you pounce.

I still prefer the A-5 though, even against later war allied planes. It seems to hold E better than all the other 190's, D-9 included. And, it doesnt seem as twitchy as the D-9 to me at least. (Besides it sure is fun beating one of those La-7 crotch rockets in your 1943 Focke WARE Wulf!

I really wonder and ponder on the inclusion of the A-6. What will this plane be like? A suped up A-5? or the more sluggish A-8/9?

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crazyivan1970
03-23-2004, 10:49 AM
Unlike other FW`s...152 does fenomenal spiral climb... not as good as 109...but very close.

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ZG77_Nagual
03-23-2004, 11:17 AM
Aw, you guys are makin me nostalgic. The 190a5 has been my precious since il2 - lately I've forsaken her for the P38 with it's equally wonderous foibles and peculiarities.
The Ta is next on my list of difficult planes to learn -certainly less popular.

D9 is definetly the e meister of the 190s - and very fast. The a5 and a4 are more agile however - with the a4 being the best in that realm - and of course both have better guns than the dora. Dora is a nice one though.

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03-23-2004, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
it just doesn't love me. What should I do? It climbs so slowly, then shutdowns its engine if i use emergency power for 5 seconds. i can't outturn anybody and i can't outrun anybody. I've suffered many deaths just so I can fly this bird. What do I get in response? Indifference.

I'll probably just go back to P-63.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If you love something and your not sure if it loves you back.. Set it free.. if it comes back to you it loves you.. If not hunt it down in a P38L and kill it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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gates123
03-23-2004, 12:07 PM
Nice write up Zen, I concur

crazyivan1970
03-23-2004, 12:23 PM
Zen just told me over MSN that he can whoop anyones behind in TA152, what a guy! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Zen--
03-23-2004, 12:37 PM
What? STHU Ivan lol

I never said anything like that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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ASM 1
03-23-2004, 12:39 PM
As I posted in the "Happy AEP owners thread" on GD

"Fave Plane so far: TA152H - can vaporize just about anything in this, B&Z tactics work well for me, when I get it right! and its not too shoddy at low alt either, roll on the 152C " http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

After a day's play, it's still my fave - try and stay high and fast, or at least high enough to get fast. The one time I didn't I got down low with a P63 (ACE, AI) and couldn't shake the damned thing, or get on its tail... thought I was a gonner but managed to fly around long enough and dodge it to the point where it crashed into a hillside http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Learn CEM as has been said, fly with guns at close convergence and enjoy much love with the TA-152. Especially that which you show to others in your gunsight! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

Perseverence is the key.... but its worth it (and I am no expert by any means!)

cheers

Andrew