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FatBoyHK
12-15-2004, 07:55 AM
Without talking about any historic issue (which is simply a waste of time), I must say I would be very happy to see this plane in PF. Bacisally a corsair with a 3000hp engine and BUBBLE-TOP CANOPY!!!

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The Goodyear Aircraft Corporation is mostly known because of its production of the Corsair. However, it also undertook a measure of design, resulting in the F2G.
Early in 1944 Goodyear was asked to prepare a low-level derivative of the F4U with non-folding wings and powered by 1 Ó” Pratt & Whitney R-4360 four-row radial as the powerplant for the high performance required of a land-based type intended for the US Marine Corps as a low-level interceptor of Japanese kamikaze attack aircraft. Goodyearî–¸ response was the F2G with its fuselage modified to accept the considerably more powerful engine and a bubble canopy similar to that earlier flight-tested on two FG-1As.
Eight XF2G-1 prototypes were constructed out of three FG-1s and five FG-1Ds, and the first of these flew in May 1944. This was about two months after Goodyear had received contracts for 418 F2G-1 fighters with a powerplant of 1 Ó” R-4360-4 Wasp Major radial, rated at 3,000 hp (2.237 kW) or 3,650 hp (2.721 kW) with water injection, and supplied with fuel from an internal capacity of 257 Imp gal (309 US gal, 1.168 liters) that could be supplemented by two 125 Imp gal (150 US gal, 568 liter) drop tanks. The new fighterî–¸ fixed armament was to be four or six 0.50 inch (12.7 mm) Browning M53-2 fixed forward-firing machine guns in the wings with 300 rounds per gun, and disposable stores could be carried by two underwing hardpoints able to carry two 1,600 or 1,000 lb (726 or 454 kg) bombs, or alternatively eight 5 inch (127 mm) rockets. Only five of the F2G-1s had been completed at the end of World War II, and the other 403 were canceled as performance was deemed to be disappointing, together with lateral instability problems.
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JG53Frankyboy
12-15-2004, 08:00 AM
if someone just want fly a plane , out of historical interest, he should stick with MS Flightsim software ore StrikefightersP1 (yes , there are propeller planes to download) where 3.Party planes can be added free to the game.

TgD Thunderbolt56
12-15-2004, 08:15 AM
F2G was a hotshot ride for sure, but why add another plane to the "infrequently allowed" list ala La7, Yak3, Me262. Some of the later Corsair variants were almost as good anyway.

I'd rather see the F4U-4 myself...for more historical accuracy, but it's not a deal-breaker for me either way.

TB

dgaggi
12-15-2004, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FatBoyHK:
Without talking about any historic issue (which is simply a waste of time), I must say I would be very happy to see this plane in PF. Bacisally a corsair with a 3000hp engine and BUBBLE-TOP CANOPY!!!

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The Goodyear Aircraft Corporation is mostly known because of its production of the Corsair. However, it also undertook a measure of design, resulting in the F2G.
Early in 1944 Goodyear was asked to prepare a low-level derivative of the F4U with non-folding wings and powered by 1 Ó” Pratt & Whitney R-4360 four-row radial as the powerplant for the high performance required of a land-based type intended for the US Marine Corps as a low-level interceptor of Japanese kamikaze attack aircraft. Goodyearî–¸ response was the F2G with its fuselage modified to accept the considerably more powerful engine and a bubble canopy similar to that earlier flight-tested on two FG-1As.
Eight XF2G-1 prototypes were constructed out of three FG-1s and five FG-1Ds, and the first of these flew in May 1944. This was about two months after Goodyear had received contracts for 418 F2G-1 fighters with a powerplant of 1 Ó” R-4360-4 Wasp Major radial, rated at 3,000 hp (2.237 kW) or 3,650 hp (2.721 kW) with water injection, and supplied with fuel from an internal capacity of 257 Imp gal (309 US gal, 1.168 liters) that could be supplemented by two 125 Imp gal (150 US gal, 568 liter) drop tanks. The new fighterî–¸ fixed armament was to be four or six 0.50 inch (12.7 mm) Browning M53-2 fixed forward-firing machine guns in the wings with 300 rounds per gun, and disposable stores could be carried by two underwing hardpoints able to carry two 1,600 or 1,000 lb (726 or 454 kg) bombs, or alternatively eight 5 inch (127 mm) rockets. Only five of the F2G-1s had been completed at the end of World War II, and the other 403 were canceled as performance was deemed to be disappointing, together with lateral instability problems.
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Fat,
Only 14 were finished before the end of the war. 4 prototypes and 10 production and none of them saw combat. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif By the way... The F4U-4 was introduced early in 1945, but only saw about six months of combat.

FatBoyHK
12-15-2004, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Fat,
Only 14 were finished before the end of the war. 4 prototypes and 10 production and none of them saw combat. By the way... The F4U-4 was introduced early in 1945, but only saw about six months of combat. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes I am fully aware of that.... and that is the "historical issue" I want to ignore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Really a waste of time to discuss in this way http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

I think, if there are enough uberplanes in this game, instead of banning them we can setup some servers for them exclusively....

Think about car racing, we have different classification such as F1, BTCC, rally, etcetc... if you throw a F1 in a BTCC race of course it is unfair... just like throwing in a BF109Z in a WarClouds server...

Even now we can setup a uberplane server, but the biggest problem is the limited planeset we have... just like car racing, only one or two cars don't make up a class, right? ... if we can have more those uberplane, we can make it happen....Let's imagine a uberplane class including FAU-4, F8F, Ki84, J7W, DO335, BF109Z, La7, Yak3...etc...

My point is, it is really a waste not able to fly these great birds online... If they are deemed uber, let's make a uberclass so that we can fly and compete in them fairly.

Chuck_Older
12-15-2004, 09:50 AM
That plane is more widely known as a civilian racer than as a military aircraft.

Getting data on it in military trim would be a tall order

dgaggi
12-15-2004, 10:11 AM
Yea Fat, I see your point. Good planes shouldn't be excluded just because "uber". It could also be done by using their specific time frame. Like setting a server up for 1945 era planes etc. I previously played Aces High, and they the uber planes "perked". You got perk points for flying an aircraft (say for ex. P-40)and shooting down aircraft that known better performers (ie FW190-D). The futher the spread the more points. Of course it worked the opposite too. If you were flying the 190 and shot down a P-40, you would get next to nothing in perk points. Perked planes would have been the F4U-4, Spit IX, Tempest, Me 262 for example. You could only fly the perked planes if you had accumulated enough points for that plane. If you flew a perked plane and were shot down you lost points. So it didn't pay to fly a 262 all of the time because you could quickly loose all of your points if you were shot down or crashed. It worked really well and could be changed to suit the game. If a lot of people were flying the P-51 (not a perk plane)exclusively, then the points would be adjusted appropriately. Again, this is a strickly on-line game (with usually around 500 people on at once) and is played on HiTech's servers, so they have complete control. I don't think that this is a possibility with PF,FB unless Ubi puts up a dedicated server.

JG53Frankyboy
12-15-2004, 10:21 AM
FAU-4, Ki84, La7, Yak3...etc

are no überplanes, that are just serious wartiemplanes with a good performance , nothing else

FatBoyHK
12-15-2004, 11:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>FAU-4, Ki84, La7, Yak3...etc

are no überplanes, that are just serious wartiemplanes with a good performance , nothing else <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is what the crowd think... I am not 100% agree with them, but with a significant number of the servers banning them, you may start to wonder why http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but anyway it is not my point.... I just want to fly them, and have some fun dogfighting online. Fun means, both guys (the hunter and the hunted) are happy with the planes they are flying.

fordfan25
12-16-2004, 12:35 AM
na airwolf comes first my friend. iv been tring to get that bird in for two years now lol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

FatBoyHK
12-16-2004, 12:39 AM
airwolf? what is it? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

fordfan25
12-16-2004, 12:49 AM
OMG tell me your jokeing. man you could get shot for saying that around hear lol.

this is airwolf a mach 1+ attack chopper.

http://www.severnaparkphoto.com/static18.html

The helicopter "Airwolf" (government file No. A56-7W) was designed to be the ultimate flying machine. Its capabilities included a cruising speed of 300 knots; climbing ceiling of 82,000 feet; onboard computers with topographical and vehicle identification data banks; four 30mm front mounted machine guns; two 40mm wing cannons; and bottom launched heat seeking missiles (Hellfire, Redeye, Copperheads, Sidewinder, Phoenix, Maverick, & Shrike). To avoid duplication, Airwolf's design plans were stored inside it onboard computers
http://www.severnaparkphoto.com/static20.html

this thing would make a f22 cry for its mommy lol.

FatBoyHK
12-16-2004, 03:05 AM
lol, but it is a big http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif thingy!!!

good stuff nonetheless http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

stansdds
12-16-2004, 04:07 AM
Airwolf? AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!! I had just purged that from my memory and now it is once again seared into my brain!

Seriously, I don't know if the F2G Corsairs would have made that big of an impact if they had gone into production. The F2G held a slight speed advantage over the F4U-4 and its greatest claim to fame would be its climb rate, but the stability issue might have been a problem in combat and it would not have had the range of the -1 or -4 Corsair. It would have only one purpose in life, kamikaze interceptor. The war was coming to a close and the new -4 had sufficient performance as an interceptor and could also be used as a fighter-bomber, so there was little need for a dedicated interceptor.

dgaggi
12-16-2004, 06:47 AM
I think I would rather see the F8F Bearcat rather than the F2G. Great performance and better fire power. I prefer 20mm to 50 cals.

JG51Beolke
12-16-2004, 06:48 AM
Honestly though, Wouldn't a flyable Torpedo Bomber make more sense than another Corsair, aside from the F4U-4 that is.

Mjollnir111675
12-16-2004, 08:26 AM
H3ll just throw in tha bi-plane version of the corsair with 12 (TWELVE!!) 50 cals.!!!And of course be "navalized"! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

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