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cabby_77
11-02-2004, 08:33 AM
http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD05MDA

Interesting review... hurts a bit to read it, but man's got a point there in the end of it.

cabby_77
11-02-2004, 08:39 AM
Waah.. sorry guys, old news.

ruxtmp
11-02-2004, 09:05 AM
After reading this review and other posts including my brothers opinion(he has had the game since Oct 28) I have cancelled my direct order from Ubisoft. With the graphic issues, freezes, etc I agree that the asking price is way to high. The only benefit I see would be the addition of the B-24 and A-20 as I play only the european theatre. So to me it would just be a patch and I'm not willing to pay more than $25 for it. I may purchase it if I see a copy of it in a year or two on some EB/Gamestop bargain rack for 19.99 or some used version for less.

PF_Coastie
11-02-2004, 09:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruxtmp:
After reading this review and other posts including my brothers opinion(he has had the game since Oct 28) I have cancelled my direct order from Ubisoft. With the graphic issues, freezes, etc I agree that the asking price is way to high. The only benefit I see would be the addition of the B-24 and A-20 as I play only the european theatre. So to me it would just be a patch and I'm not willing to pay more than $25 for it. I may purchase it if I see a copy of it in a year or two on some EB/Gamestop bargain rack for 19.99 or some used version for less. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, Now I realize that some people really need to stretch the dollar and must follow a budget to survive. But, we are talking about $40 here guys. There is already a patch out for the DGEN bugs and another to follow.

Lets do some comparisons here:

1. 4-6 hours golfing: $30-100 depending on course.

2. Dinner for 2 at average restaurant: $40-50

3. A 2 hour movie at the theater for 2: $20-30

4. Years of entertainment from PF with more FREE flyable planes, campaigns, missions and patches from the most dedicated game developers in history: Priceless!

Geeze guys, I would have paid 60 bucks for this game without hesitation because I know that any problems WILL be fixed by 1C Maddox. I just don't know where you can get a better dollar for dollar value for personal entertainment.

My .02 worth.

T_O_A_D
11-02-2004, 09:44 AM
You forgot 1

$40.00 a month for broadband, so you can post your thoughts on Forums faster.

ucanfly
11-02-2004, 09:58 AM
rxtmp - ALthough I thought UBI may have squandered the opportunity to make PF the breakthru sim that would have introduced Maddox games to the masses, we know darn well that Oleg isn't walking away after this release. You are better off thinking of the IL2:FB/AEP/PF mega Combat flightsim as the premiere simulation of all time that covers the most theatres.

If you do not purchase this you are going to miss out on more than just the Pacific theatre - you are potentially missing out on the continuing developmental improvements coming from Maddox's team in the future (Pe-2 , Tempest, Avenger, etc.) not to mention FM and other improvements. Getting this is a no brainer for anyone who knows Oleg's product support - it is unmatched in the gaming or flightsim world, period.

kalo456
11-02-2004, 10:15 AM
Unfortunately it's hard to disagree with that reviewers conclusions.

The majority of us find the true worth of this sim playing online vs. real human pilots. There has never been an a.i. that didn't have weaknesses or non realistic cheats (xray vision, no Gloc, etc.)
I think the reviewer missed out on how much this opens up the IL2 series for online play and communiity enhancement. So be it.

I do agree and as we all know, Ubi is out for the bottom line. Dare I say to some extent that probably Oleg and team are too? well they definitely borked some things and did not deliver on some promised features. PF is way more of an add-on than a stand alone game. Lets face it, we sim lovers will pay 40-50$ for it, but I think that it should have been sold at add on price. The thought process should have been to give newcomers a taste at add on prices and encourage them to buy FP+AEP gold pack for full price. Oleg had to realize that most simmers already probably have FB+AEP.

Anyhow, I still really like PF as do most of my squad mates and buddies online. Theres so many new exciting possibilities and new stuff around the corner. For me thats worth the price of admission.

Kalo

ruxtmp
11-02-2004, 11:11 AM
ucanfly,
I agree with you that Oleg will not walk away from this sim and most likely will make incremental improvments to PF over time. My current feeling is that I am quite satisfied with FB+AEP and do not see the need for PF. As I mentioned earlier the only thing I truely gain is an AI B-24 and A-20. While this and some other improvements (muzzle flash) are good it is not worth $40. In a year the game will be about $20 at some game store and the free patches will be available immediately. I can be patient for a year. Would you buy a car at full price today if it had some minor glitches and a missing radio? Knowing full well that next year the problems would be resolved and the car would be cheaper because the new model cars need room on the lot.

Weather_Man
11-02-2004, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruxtmp:
In a year the game will be about $20 at some game store and the free patches will be available immediately. I can be patient for a year. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Will probably only be 3-6 months before price drops. I'm sure you'll come around eventually. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I just hope you aren't basing anything on a few negative posts and reviews. The disgruntled are always louder. The game is blast and a welcome addition to the franchise. I think most here will agree.

musickna
11-02-2004, 11:26 AM
I am an offline player exclusively and have bought 'Pacific Fighters', installing it as an add-on over FB & AEP. I do not regret this.

Although there are problems with the commercial retail release, they are more apparent in the Pacific Fighters stand-alone installation (which was the one reviewed), and I am very happy to see, among other things, reduced muzzle flash, more aircraft for the Russian theatre, the waypoint skip feature, and most of all for me, aircraft that do not disappear immediately after taxi-ing to a halt on landing.

These are all tangible and great benefits to the game. Ironically, I haven't spent much time in the Pacific precisely because I am enjoying these enhancements to my FB:AEP existing missions.

However, by the time I do fly the Pacific, I fully anticipate that Pacific Fighters will be patched up to the level of FB and the AEP. It seems clear that Pacific Fighters was rush released because of marketing factors - which was a mistake, I think. I worry about the impact on first time Maddox simulation buyers, particularly offliners who, unlike me, do not regularly visit the forums. But from a personal point of view, I have absolute and complete confidence that Pacific Fighters will be made as good as it can be - so I see no reason at all not to buy it.

NegativeGee
11-02-2004, 11:33 AM
The thing is if ruxtmp, everyone decided to wait for the patch before buying PF would be a commercial flop and we may not then see any further support of the product. Anyway you sound like you are mainly interested in ETO so PF isn't going to appeal to you as much anyway.

Also, saying that it is not worth $XX, YY or whatever is pretty subjective and depends on personal outlook. All that matters is with time and falling prices the cost will cease to be an issue to those on the fence over buying.

Kompan
11-02-2004, 11:53 AM
I have never played or owned IL2. Therefore I have a fresh perspective of PF. After playing it for 4 days (not straight, I work to), I have found it to be a lot of fun. I am not seeing some of the bugs that have been reported in the review. My flight has never crashed into the ground with no apparent reason. The dog fighting is hair raising, but I am able to shoot a few down and complete some missions.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I think the lack of stock missions allows for people to express themselves though creating new ones, either based on reality or fantasy using the mission creator.

I find the review is the opinion of one person, who has been exposed to the entire IL2 series. For those of us new to the game PF is worth the price. I cannot remember a game that has had such excellent graphics.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Seeing not only shadows and waves on the water, but reflections! The entire ship is reflected in the water, that is cool.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

The damage modeling is fantastic! I flew under a bridge to loose a Zero, and was a foot to high. MY tail hit the bridge and took the vertical stabilizer clean off! Now that is modeling. I admit it was a barnstorming manuver, but WOW!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I was in a dog fight with another Zero and we were scissoring back and forth and whoops! got to close and clipped his wing. Both our wings sheered right off! WOW!http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I would have to say the most anoying part of the campaign mission is being yelled at to return to formation, when there is a flock of Zeros passing right by us. Don't they see them? Call me a cowboy, but I choose to ignor the CO and go Zero hunting. As long as I don't run the chance of ruining the mission.

A patch is alway nice in any game, nothing is perfect. But based on my 4 days of game play, I would have to give PF 3.95 out of 5. It would be a 4.25 if the sounds were not so generic.

Great Game! Hours of fun! Worth the price! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BM357_Raven
11-02-2004, 11:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ruxtmp:
After reading this review and other posts including my brothers opinion(he has had the game since Oct 28) I have cancelled my direct order from Ubisoft. With the graphic issues, freezes, etc I agree that the asking price is way to high. The only benefit I see would be the addition of the B-24 and A-20 as I play only the european theatre. So to me it would just be a patch and I'm not willing to pay more than $25 for it. I may purchase it if I see a copy of it in a year or two on some EB/Gamestop bargain rack for 19.99 or some used version for less. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, Now I realize that some people really need to stretch the dollar and must follow a budget to survive. But, we are talking about $40 here guys. There is already a patch out for the DGEN bugs and another to follow.

Lets do some comparisons here:

1. 4-6 hours golfing: $30-100 depending on course.

2. Dinner for 2 at average restaurant: $40-50

3. A 2 hour movie at the theater for 2: $20-30

4. Years of entertainment from PF with more FREE flyable planes, campaigns, missions and patches from the most dedicated game developers in history: Priceless!

Geeze guys, I would have paid 60 bucks for this game without hesitation because I know that any problems WILL be fixed by 1C Maddox. I just don't know where you can get a better dollar for dollar value for personal entertainment.

My .02 worth. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd pay $60 for it too. Wait a minute. I think I did pay $60... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ruxtmp
11-02-2004, 12:59 PM
NegativeGee,
You are right that PF would be a flop but that is the risk of doing business. The PFTO does not appeal much to me and I assume this is true for others. If Ubi predicted sales demand properly I am sure that PF will be a success. If not then I guess we will be stuck with PF as is.
Weather_man
I have tried FB+AEP+PF with the DGEN beta patch on my brothers machine and thought it was OK. The FM and AI are about what I expected. My brother only had some minor issues with system freezes but after messing with his video card settings it seems to run well on perferct with water=1. The new planes did make it appealing because we have a small group of friends and family that play COOP as the Hungarian airforce and we could create some new missions. I will most likely get PF but it will not be anytime soon the few benefits for me does not justify the cost. Although I only played for about 2-3 hours the only thing new is they added some Pacific maps, some new planes, some ships, and a functioning aircraft carrier, and corrected some issues from FB/AEP, basically an add-on. I will gladly pay $20 to $25 for it but no more. The 128 player option still has yet to be proven but FB+AEP provides our group with adequate online play so this is no real gain. Generating a PTO COOP is slightly appealing to our group but some more maps would be nice. The water graphics is just eye candy that none of our groups machines can support.

Fornixx
11-02-2004, 01:10 PM
This is a load of bull!!!
What buggs? Since I bought Il2 i have never ever ever encountered a showstopper bugg. Not in Il2, FB, AEP or PF. Sure there are some graphic glitches and a carreer that has to be corrected, but, Buggs all over the place!?!?!

Come on, have you ever worked on a software project you'd know this is a masterpiece bugg-wise.

Sad review, very sad! Laughable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Skii_
11-02-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fornixx:
This is a load of bull!!!
What buggs? Since I bought Il2 i have never ever ever encountered a showstopper bugg. Not in Il2, FB, AEP or PF. Sure there are some graphic glitches and a carreer that has to be corrected, but, Buggs all over the place!?!?!

Come on, have you ever worked on a software project you'd know this is a masterpiece bugg-wise.

Sad review, very sad! Laughable http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Sundowner.pl
11-02-2004, 02:32 PM
Skii_ I own you one man ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Now Fornixx, I want you to do one thing:

Start up mission editor, and put an aircraft carrier, set a waypoint, no matter what direction, and then another one - so the ship could perform a turn (no mater what direction), The speed, and weather is irrelevant. Now put your plane on that carrier, and sit on it waiting for the turning point...

What you will see is... well... it's ****!

If you would like to see more than an aircraft carrier strafing to side, then release the chocks and watch how your plane bumps on the deck, climbs on top of ship cannon/bridge/anything, and than jump to the water (9,9 points for the style from me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Then after watching that show, come here and tell me that there is NO BUG. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

And about that €œSuper Support€, how long will we have to wait for some bugs to be corrected, how many blood and tears will have to flow, and how many times Gibbage will perform a strike ? Remember P-38 ? remember .50€ ? Hell, For those muzzle flashes we had to wait for 2 years ! And we got them only because we got a €œnew€ game. Jesus Christ people, open your eyes ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Yeah, I€m, very disappointed in PF, I€m going back to LockOn, which I have bough last week for something around 14$ - now that€s a price I pay with satisfaction http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif