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wsiel
12-24-2008, 10:15 AM
Anyone with an interest in flying the IL-2 must buy this book!
It follows the life of Vasily B. Emelianenko who flew the Shturmovik from the first days of the war till the very end.
A great first hand account of flying and surviving in the VVS.

wsiel
12-24-2008, 10:15 AM
Anyone with an interest in flying the IL-2 must buy this book!
It follows the life of Vasily B. Emelianenko who flew the Shturmovik from the first days of the war till the very end.
A great first hand account of flying and surviving in the VVS.

wsiel
12-24-2008, 02:32 PM
Best thing about this book was the lack of polictical mumbo gumbo , just a straight forward account of the suicidal tactics that were used early in the conflict like flying small numbers of IL-2s, unescorted while they watched the fighters from the same bases being loaded with bombs to do ground attack.
I thought only the VVS would use such insane tactics untill I read about the RAF flying rainy day sneak attacks on ground targets across the channel with Spits.

F19_Orheim
12-24-2008, 02:44 PM
+1

The language is crude and simple, the outline of the story is far from perfect, but that is what makes it so good. Reading it was just like the old fella sat in front of me telling ne the story in a stong Russian accent - that's how I perceives it anyway. Well worth the money.

Just my 100 grams http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

My Bookreviews in this (http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2500632/SimHQ_library_book_reviews.html#Post2500632)thread .

AlGroover
12-25-2008, 08:39 PM
It's a great read. I suggest you bookend it with 'Day of the Typhoon' by John Golley. Similar account and style and very interesting to compare the RAF experience of ground attack.

TX-Gunslinger
12-25-2008, 08:57 PM
Awesome read. Good advice. Great book on Soviet Aviation during the Great Patriotic War.

I've had it for I'd guess 2 years now. I bought it because I'd never seen an English translation of Russian combat diary.

S~

Gunny

M_Gunz
12-25-2008, 10:33 PM
Single seat IL-2's were considered bomber interceptors. Compare to Bf-110.

wsiel
12-26-2008, 07:35 AM
This title and "Attack of the Airacobars" are the only books I've found in english about VVS pilots.
Has anyone ever found other titles?

rnzoli
12-30-2008, 03:45 AM
Just finished reading "Red Star Against The Swastika" and I can't help feeling the same what I felt after reading Clostermann's book about a year ago: what a great and humble person the author was.
For WW2 memoirs and recollections, this seems to be far more important than writing skills!

The story about the air gunner's puppy dog was a great metaphore also. (The dog was saved from starvation by a rear gunner, and the dog became very much connected to that person, waiting for him to return after every mission. Later on when the gunner died in a mission, the dog disappeared and they only found her body on the grave-stone of the gunner 2 weeks later.)

True, sometimes the English translation is an additional burnen on the book, some things are nearly impossible to translate without understanding the cultural background, but this book was quite OK in that.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">My friends said to me then:'Those who were killed must live in the book. People must know about them. And write the truth only!
That sounded like a military mission, when nobody asks you whether you are capable of doing it.
I have done my best." </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

F19_Orheim
12-30-2008, 04:45 AM
What also struck me when I read the book, is how similar some situations are compared to il2 (the sim)... like when the aerodrome was attacked by 109's who followed the Il2's back to base

rnzoli
12-30-2008, 08:51 AM
Yepp, it's MUCH easier to imagine what the writer is talking about, when you played IL-2 beforehand http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Although I found something that is a bit different in game and in the book. He speaks of side-slipping as a good way of avoiding the bursts of enemy fighters repeatedly. He describes it as pressing hard on the rudder, letting a wing drop and straightening out and levelling out just above the ground.

I think side-slipping is not that effective in game as described by several memoirs, but I have no clue why is that. Maybe in 3D world, the side-slipping aircraft was able to trick the brain of the persuing pilots, but it doesn't work in 2D game world. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

F19_Orheim
12-30-2008, 02:07 PM
well I use sideslipping a lot when in IL2's similar, and I find it very effective. Maybe not up close, but when you fly with an aftgunner, MOST fighters tend to keep a distance when attacking from 6 o'clock and then side slipping really is helpful.


oh and against AI it works well too

wsiel
12-31-2008, 06:53 AM
Just started reading "Hell Hawks" about the ground attacking P-47's supporting the Allied invasion and push into Germany.
It's interesting to compare the tactics of low level attacks IL-2 style with small bombs and rockets to, P-47's with 2000lbs. of bombs screaming down from 3000 ft. to tree top level at over 400mph.

rnzoli
01-01-2009, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by wsiel:
This title and "Attack of the Airacobars" are the only books I've found in english about VVS pilots.
Has anyone ever found other titles? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I am not sure whether you mean this, but I read another VVS book just now, "Red Star Airacobra".

It was also a very good read, but perhaps the translation was a notch worse. I was lucky to have some Russian language skills. For example the statement "Like hell you go flying in this weather" means NO flight. Even worse, the control stick is sometimes referred to as a "lever" and in some case, "joystick" (no kidding! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif).

Both books are in relation to the web-site www.iremember.ru (http://www.iremember.ru) and its editor. The IL-2 book was published in 2005, the P-39 book was published in 2006. I don't know if any book was published in 2007, but I hope so, or at least I hope they can get some more out. Considering that these books seem to be written only in the recent years, via people close to 100 years old, it's a remarkable achievement and treasure to have them available!

*edit* there was one aviation related book released in this line in 2008: BOMBER PILOT ON THE EASTERN FRONT: 307 Missions Behind Enemy Lines (Red Air Force at War) (Hardcover) (http://www.amazon.com/BOMBER-PILOT-EASTERN-FRONT-Missions/dp/1844156605/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1230830844&sr=8-1)