bolillo_loco

07-05-2005, 04:26 PM

Feel free to challenge my findings by providing data you obtained in the game. I will probably respond and try and duplicate your data. People who respond with feelings and opinions with out any data to back their feelings and opinions will most likely not get a response from me. Its your forum too, so state what you feel I am not telling you what to do I am telling you what I am going to do. I could be wrong here and my data is not conclusive. I am putting it out for reasons of debate.

CONDITIONS

All speeds were obtained using the crimea map via quick mission, 75% fuel was carried, default weapons, no external stores, radiator closed, using 100% pitch and auto pitch intermittenly, (I had no problems with cooking engines while I did this), wind effects turned off. If I forgot to mention something I will correct it later. Climb rates were taken on the crimea map that I made for multi player. the clock started when I released the breaks. All 190s had 100% fuel and ammo w/ no external stores, and the weapon load out was "default". Rates of roll were taken at 10,000 ft and IAS was used. DPS means degrees per second. All Fw-190s rolled nearly identicle so the below figures I feel can be used for all Fw 190 series fighters. Since all Fw 190s rolled too slowly the figure at the end is how much more slowly it rolled when compaired to the naca chart.

RATE OF ROLL

150 mph 90 DPS -20 DPS

200 mph 120 DPS -15 DPS

250 mph 90 DPS -72 DPS

300 mph 90 DPS -40 DPS

350 mph 60 DPS -35 DPS

400 mph 60 DPS -10 DPS

Fw-190A6

*Note the speed in my book given at 7,000 meters is with GM-1 boost which I do not believe we have in this game. I do not have any figures w/o the GM-1 boost.

IN GAME 190A6

S.L. 575 kmh

7,000m 675 kmh

REAL 190A6

S.L. 560 kmh

7,000m 675 kmh

9,200m 630 kmh

IN GAME Fw-190A6 is 15 kmh faster than data on the real A6 at sea level and it is even faster than the real 190A6 at 7,000m even though the real 190A6 is using GM-1 boost while the in game 190A6 is not.

CLIMB

IN GAME 190A6

3,000m - 3:00 minutes

6,000m - 6:00 minutes

8,000m - 8:00 minutes

average rate of climb at all altitudes up to 8,000 meters was 16.6 m/s

rate of climb at sea level for real Fw 190A6 is listed as 14.6 m/s

A6 climbs slightly better at sea level and significantly better at altitude than the real Fw 190A6. It also has a slight to moderate speed advantage over the real data of the 190A6 at low altitudes and at high altitudes w/o GM-1 it has a significant advantage

Fw-190A8

IN GAME A8

S.L. 590 kmh

3,000m 595 kmh

5,500m 675 kmh

8,000m 650 kmh

10,000m 625

REAL 190A8

S.L. 565 kmh

3,000m 595 kmh

5,500m 655 kmh

8,000m 610 kmh

10,000m 560 kmh

IN GAME Fw-190A8 is

25 kmh faster at sea level

15 kmh faster at 3,000 meters

20 kmh faster at 5,500 meters

40 kmh faster at 8,000 meters

65 kmh faster at 10,000 meters

Fw 190A8 CLIMB

IN GAME

3,000 meters 2:50 minutes, average 17.7 m/s

6,000 meters 5:20 minutes, average 20.0 m/s from 3,000 to 6,000

8,000 meters 7:45 minutes, average 13.8 m/s from 6,000 to 8,000

IN GAME VS REAL Fw-190A8

average up to 3,000 meters 3.7 m/s faster than real data

average up to 6,000 meters 10.0 m/s faster than real data

average up to 8,000 meters 8.8 m/s faster than real data

Fw-190A9

IN GAME

S.L. 595 kmh

3,000m 625 kmh

5,500m 685 kmh

8,000m 680 kmh

10,000m 635 kmh

REAL Fw-190A9

S.L. 595 kmh

3,000m 610 kmh

5,500m 670 kmh

8,000m 640 kmh

10,000m 605 kmh

IN GAME Fw 190A9 is

no error at sea level

15 kmh faster @ 3,000m

15 kmh faster @ 5,500m

40 kmh faster @ 8,000m

30 kmh faster @ 10,000m

IN GAME Fw 190A9 CLIMB

3,000m 3:15 minutes, average rate of climb 15.4 m/s

6,000m 6:00 minutes, average rate of climb 18.8 m/s from 3,000 to 6,000

8,000m 8:30 minutes, average rate of climb 13.3 m/s from 6,000 to 8,000

I have no data on the fw 190A9's real rate of climb, but I am going to assume that it is very close to the A8 which would mean that the A9 climbs significantly faster than it should.

Fw 190D9 (1944)

IN GAME

605 kmh S.L.

730 kmh 6,600m

665 kmh 10,000m

REAL Fw 190D9 W/MW 50

612 kmh S.L.

702 kmh 6,600m

635 kmh 10,000m

THE IN GAME Fw 190D9 IS

7 kph too slow at sea level

28 kph too fast at 6,600m

30 kph too fast at 10,000m

CLIMB FW 190D9

3,000m 2:45 minutes, average 18.8 m/s

6,000m 5:10 minutes, average 20.7 m/s from 3,000 to 6,000

8,000m 7:45 minutes, average 13.0 m/s from 6,000 to 8,000

IN GAME FW 190D9 CLIMBS

3.2 - 4.2 m/s too slowly at altitudes below 3,000m

5.7 m/s too fast between 3,000m - 6,000m

3 m/s too fast at altitudes between 6,000m - 8,000m

CONDITIONS

All speeds were obtained using the crimea map via quick mission, 75% fuel was carried, default weapons, no external stores, radiator closed, using 100% pitch and auto pitch intermittenly, (I had no problems with cooking engines while I did this), wind effects turned off. If I forgot to mention something I will correct it later. Climb rates were taken on the crimea map that I made for multi player. the clock started when I released the breaks. All 190s had 100% fuel and ammo w/ no external stores, and the weapon load out was "default". Rates of roll were taken at 10,000 ft and IAS was used. DPS means degrees per second. All Fw-190s rolled nearly identicle so the below figures I feel can be used for all Fw 190 series fighters. Since all Fw 190s rolled too slowly the figure at the end is how much more slowly it rolled when compaired to the naca chart.

RATE OF ROLL

150 mph 90 DPS -20 DPS

200 mph 120 DPS -15 DPS

250 mph 90 DPS -72 DPS

300 mph 90 DPS -40 DPS

350 mph 60 DPS -35 DPS

400 mph 60 DPS -10 DPS

Fw-190A6

*Note the speed in my book given at 7,000 meters is with GM-1 boost which I do not believe we have in this game. I do not have any figures w/o the GM-1 boost.

IN GAME 190A6

S.L. 575 kmh

7,000m 675 kmh

REAL 190A6

S.L. 560 kmh

7,000m 675 kmh

9,200m 630 kmh

IN GAME Fw-190A6 is 15 kmh faster than data on the real A6 at sea level and it is even faster than the real 190A6 at 7,000m even though the real 190A6 is using GM-1 boost while the in game 190A6 is not.

CLIMB

IN GAME 190A6

3,000m - 3:00 minutes

6,000m - 6:00 minutes

8,000m - 8:00 minutes

average rate of climb at all altitudes up to 8,000 meters was 16.6 m/s

rate of climb at sea level for real Fw 190A6 is listed as 14.6 m/s

A6 climbs slightly better at sea level and significantly better at altitude than the real Fw 190A6. It also has a slight to moderate speed advantage over the real data of the 190A6 at low altitudes and at high altitudes w/o GM-1 it has a significant advantage

Fw-190A8

IN GAME A8

S.L. 590 kmh

3,000m 595 kmh

5,500m 675 kmh

8,000m 650 kmh

10,000m 625

REAL 190A8

S.L. 565 kmh

3,000m 595 kmh

5,500m 655 kmh

8,000m 610 kmh

10,000m 560 kmh

IN GAME Fw-190A8 is

25 kmh faster at sea level

15 kmh faster at 3,000 meters

20 kmh faster at 5,500 meters

40 kmh faster at 8,000 meters

65 kmh faster at 10,000 meters

Fw 190A8 CLIMB

IN GAME

3,000 meters 2:50 minutes, average 17.7 m/s

6,000 meters 5:20 minutes, average 20.0 m/s from 3,000 to 6,000

8,000 meters 7:45 minutes, average 13.8 m/s from 6,000 to 8,000

IN GAME VS REAL Fw-190A8

average up to 3,000 meters 3.7 m/s faster than real data

average up to 6,000 meters 10.0 m/s faster than real data

average up to 8,000 meters 8.8 m/s faster than real data

Fw-190A9

IN GAME

S.L. 595 kmh

3,000m 625 kmh

5,500m 685 kmh

8,000m 680 kmh

10,000m 635 kmh

REAL Fw-190A9

S.L. 595 kmh

3,000m 610 kmh

5,500m 670 kmh

8,000m 640 kmh

10,000m 605 kmh

IN GAME Fw 190A9 is

no error at sea level

15 kmh faster @ 3,000m

15 kmh faster @ 5,500m

40 kmh faster @ 8,000m

30 kmh faster @ 10,000m

IN GAME Fw 190A9 CLIMB

3,000m 3:15 minutes, average rate of climb 15.4 m/s

6,000m 6:00 minutes, average rate of climb 18.8 m/s from 3,000 to 6,000

8,000m 8:30 minutes, average rate of climb 13.3 m/s from 6,000 to 8,000

I have no data on the fw 190A9's real rate of climb, but I am going to assume that it is very close to the A8 which would mean that the A9 climbs significantly faster than it should.

Fw 190D9 (1944)

IN GAME

605 kmh S.L.

730 kmh 6,600m

665 kmh 10,000m

REAL Fw 190D9 W/MW 50

612 kmh S.L.

702 kmh 6,600m

635 kmh 10,000m

THE IN GAME Fw 190D9 IS

7 kph too slow at sea level

28 kph too fast at 6,600m

30 kph too fast at 10,000m

CLIMB FW 190D9

3,000m 2:45 minutes, average 18.8 m/s

6,000m 5:10 minutes, average 20.7 m/s from 3,000 to 6,000

8,000m 7:45 minutes, average 13.0 m/s from 6,000 to 8,000

IN GAME FW 190D9 CLIMBS

3.2 - 4.2 m/s too slowly at altitudes below 3,000m

5.7 m/s too fast between 3,000m - 6,000m

3 m/s too fast at altitudes between 6,000m - 8,000m