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The_Pharoah
10-12-2004, 06:15 PM
I posted this on the Simhq forums as well:

With the coming PF and flyable B25 *drools*, does anyone know anything about the B25 bombsight? I assume its going to have one seeing as it was a level med bomber and I just want to know if I'm going to go through the pain of learning a new bombsight (the H111, although easy now, was a ***** to learn initially). Also, does the A20 have a bombsight? I"m assuming the A20 is a med bomber as well.

Korolov
10-12-2004, 07:02 PM
A-20 shouldnt have a bombsight, since its a attack plane and not a level bomber. Traditional carpet or dive bombing should be the rule with it.

LStarosta
10-12-2004, 07:21 PM
We'll tell you in two days, be sure.

stansdds
10-12-2004, 07:28 PM
The B-25 was originally equipped with the Norden bombsight. This proved to be very accurate for high altitude bombing, but was not very useful for low level bombing.

StG77_Fritz_X
10-12-2004, 07:37 PM
No bombsight? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.military.cz/usa/air/war/bomber/a20/a20f.jpg

Everything you always wanted to know about the Douglas A-20 Havoc:
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/a20i.html

To give answer to the question and info taken from website posted above:

Early in the summer of 1943, the Air Materiel Command at Wright Field requested that Douglas study the possibility of installing a transparent, bomb-aimer's nose in approximately one out of ten A-20Gs. This would enable the aircraft to be used as formation leaders on bombing runs, with solid-nosed A-20Gs dropping their bombs on signal from the leader. The A-20J was the result.

For the A-20J, Douglas designed an entirely new nose, which consisted of a frameless, molded Plexiglas canopy. This nose added seven inches to the aircraft's length, and carried a bombardier operating a Norden bombsight. Only the two side-mounted forward-firing nose guns were retained. In the field, these nose guns were often removed to lighten the load if there was no apparent need for them. The crew now consisted of four -- pilot, dorsal turret gunner, ventral tunnel gunner, and bombardier.

And also:

In October of 1941, the Netherlands government in exile ordered 48 DB-7Cs for use in the Dutch East Indies by the Koninklijke Marine Luchtvaartdienst. Serials were DO-101 to DO-148, with company numbers being 6265/6312. The DB-7Cs had airframes similar to those of the DB-7B but had provisions for interchangeable noses, much like those that were provided for the original Douglas Model 7B. One was a glazed nose with a bomb-aimer position and the other was an unglazed nose housing four 20-mm cannon

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DangerForward
10-12-2004, 08:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Pharoah:
I posted this on the Simhq forums as well:

With the coming PF and flyable B25 *drools*, does anyone know anything about the B25 bombsight? I assume its going to have one seeing as it was a level med bomber and I just want to know if I'm going to go through the pain of learning a new bombsight (the H111, although easy now, was a ***** to learn initially). Also, does the A20 have a bombsight? I"m assuming the A20 is a med bomber as well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought our initial B25s wouldn't have the Norden, since I thought they were the solid nose variety. I think Oleg said somewhere that the Norden would come in a future patch. Ofcourse I don't know what kind of sight the solid nose b25s had.

VW-IceFire
10-12-2004, 08:22 PM
I think the A-20G doesn't have a bombsight...solid nose and a concentrated machinegun battery. But we're also apparently getting (maybe) a A-20C as well...and that does have that feature.

RafaelFlanker
10-12-2004, 08:48 PM
USAAC's A-20C featured a Norden N-6 bombsight, designed for low altitude bombing. This bombsight were also featured on the B-24s that took part on Tidalwave Operation. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Anyone got an N-6 bombsight manual or more information on it BTW? Pretty hard to find data about it around..

Future-
10-12-2004, 09:13 PM
From what I know, we will get the B-25 J, which posseses a glass nose... and, I assume, also a bombsight.

Would also be the most logical choice to start, seeing as the allied forces currently have no medium bomber that is equipped with a bombsight.
Axis at least has the He-111.

Resident_Jock
10-12-2004, 11:52 PM
What about the TB-3?

I would love to see a glass nosed B-25B or C. That way we could do a little Doolittle raid action, bwahaha! The A-20 looks like a very fun plane to fly, btw. Like a cross between a Mitchell and a Beaufighter.

xenios
10-13-2004, 01:00 AM
We're getting the B-25J-1NA, which I believe is one of the glass-nosed versions of the J model. Some J's were solid nosed strafer versions with 8 guns in the nose and blisters. I think the glass nosed version would be a more versatile first flyable version because it could be used for level bombing or strafing. (Even the glass nosed version still had 4 guns in the blisters and 2 more in the nose.)

Not all B-25s had Norden sights. In the Med, usually only the lead plane had a Norden; the other planes in the flight dropped their bombs on cue. The Army was reluctant to equip some of the export models with the Norden as well. And of course everyone knows Doolittle's raiders were equipped with 20 cent sights. The Army was absolutely paranoid about Norden sights. They had to be removed after every flight and placed in a locked case which the bombadier was responsible for.

JG7_Rall
10-13-2004, 07:59 PM
It's got a bombsight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

GT182
10-13-2004, 08:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by JG7_Rall
It's got a bombsight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, is it a good representation of the Norden or something worse?

Korolov
10-13-2004, 09:24 PM
Fritz - check the screenshots of the A-20, you'll see it has a solid nose and guns. Hence, no bomb sight.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

JG7_Rall
10-14-2004, 04:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GT182:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by JG7_Rall
It's got a bombsight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, is it a good representation of the Norden or something worse? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can find me a picture of the original Norden I'd be more than happy to compare for you. If I post an SS I'll probably get tar and feathered so I wont do that...not to say I have the game or anything... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

HamishUK
10-14-2004, 05:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG7_Rall:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GT182:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>by JG7_Rall
It's got a bombsight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, is it a good representation of the Norden or something worse? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you can find me a picture of the original Norden I'd be more than happy to compare for you. If I post an SS I'll probably get tar and feathered so I wont do that...not to say I have the game or anything... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

owlwatcher
10-14-2004, 08:17 AM
Alittle OT
This B-25 was setup with the Dolittle sight.

<A HREF="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/owlwatcher/DSC09966.jpg" TARGET=_blank>

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/owlwatcher/DSC09965.jpg

The Bomb sight

[URL=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/owlwatcher/DSC09966.jpg]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/owlwatcher/DSC09966.jpg</A>

I would assume the B-24 was displayed with a norton sight.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/owlwatcher/DSC09927.jpg

adadaead
10-14-2004, 02:12 PM
I hope they will be easier to manage then in He-111. Though its not the bombsight its the separation of pilot and bombamdier, pretty hard to keep plane level and punching in the measurements in the bombsight.

RuskaShmata
10-16-2004, 02:37 AM
Here's your answer...

The B-25J in PF has got a Norden bombsight, though it works exactly the same as Lofte 7D
(a view from it, appearance, etc.).

Boys from 1C seemly didn't have time to model
the true Norden...

Snootles
10-16-2004, 03:04 PM
And how exactly do you know this?...

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adadaead
10-16-2004, 05:43 PM
Hehe we got another pirate in a trap? I think we can get them all by making similar discussion like this one. Better explain how you know this.

VortexDr
10-16-2004, 07:32 PM
The bombsight is very fun to use, can't really post much detail about it yet(dun wanna get into trouble) but i had loads of fun bombing ships etc. It will work like a dream dirt easy to hit things once you get used to it.

Can't wait once i get my copy to fly that plane in russia.

Snootles
10-16-2004, 07:35 PM
Oh boy...

What is happening to the forums these days? All these brand new people showing up to talk about how great their pirate PF copies are. What happened to the quality of "respect"? Come to think of it, what happened to "patience" as well?

TC_Stele
10-16-2004, 09:16 PM
I'm thinking that they probably don't even know the game hasn't been released yet. Yeah, the people under suspicion have about under 10 posts.

609IAP_Recon
10-17-2004, 12:21 AM
"I hope they will be easier to manage then in He-111"

well, as far as He-111, it was hard at first, but after some people showed me and I messed with it on a saturday afternoon, I got better.

Helped me to punch in my numbers before I takeoff.

Toughest part is when you are off a bit and need to line it up better - the pressure if intense.

Helps to move it in small increments.

I'm sure there are some good he-111 guides around - and I assume if you get good at he-111, you'll be ready for the b-25 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WTE_DuStA
10-17-2004, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 609IAP_Recon:
"I hope they will be easier to manage then in He-111"

well, as far as He-111, it was hard at first, but after some people showed me and I messed with it on a saturday afternoon, I got better.

Helped me to punch in my numbers before I takeoff.

Toughest part is when you are off a bit and need to line it up better - the pressure if intense.

Helps to move it in small increments.

I'm sure there are some good he-111 guides around - and I assume if you get good at he-111, you'll be ready for the b-25 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


you've hit the nail on the head. Once you have learned how to use the sight. The best thing to do is work out your route and height you are going to make your run on. So set all your controls ready so all you have to do is hit your wing level button and use your sight to make sure your lined up on target and hey presto bombs away

9th_Trespa
10-18-2004, 03:45 AM
never quitte really got to understand the bombsight , pretty weird with the automatic release thingy, keeps blowing me up at runway when i fondlle with it

ps . the autolevel button is real handy, use it when i come to target and focus on the **** bombsight

pps the number of posts isnt a good measure to see how long a pilot is in the community, switching squads or loosing pw , happens to me all the time

VortexDr
11-05-2004, 07:14 AM
Tsk tsk, Snootles seeing that you don't have a clue who i am how about you get a clue before calling me a pirate hah.

Don't really have to explain myself other then that i was playing the game well before anyoen that leeched it off the net...

Furthermore seeign that you only registered in 2003 and i have been around since early 2001 kind of makes your sad attamept at insulting me worthless...

Philipscdrw
11-05-2004, 07:21 AM
Necromancer.

And December 2001 is not 'Early 2001'

and if you're a beta tester, then aren't you forbidden to tell us that?