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PraetorHonoris
06-29-2004, 07:20 PM
on 29th June 2004 the President of the Federal Republic of Germany, Johannes Rau, retired.

The Wachbataillon (Honor Guard) gave him the honor he deserved.
Here are some pics I took.

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/01CQy7JP.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/GF5qPgKm.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/3Z7B0Rjf.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/5kGdtMNz.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/e2O1O4b9.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/rT1xD5vj.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7306/Aermelband.jpg
Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen"

PraetorHonoris
06-29-2004, 07:20 PM
on 29th June 2004 the President of the Federal Republic of Germany, Johannes Rau, retired.

The Wachbataillon (Honor Guard) gave him the honor he deserved.
Here are some pics I took.

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/01CQy7JP.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/GF5qPgKm.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/3Z7B0Rjf.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/5kGdtMNz.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/e2O1O4b9.jpg

http://www.imagemotel.com/uploaded/rT1xD5vj.jpg

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7306/Aermelband.jpg
Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen"

tsisqua
06-29-2004, 08:03 PM
Very, very nice.

Salute!

HuninMunin
06-29-2004, 08:37 PM
A truely great man.

My Salute.

"Ist das ein Weinachtsbaum?"
"Natürlich ist das ein Weinachtsbaum, oder glaubst du damit wird die Brücke getarnt?"

Halo_819
06-29-2004, 11:39 PM
Well this shows me that the German military still has some pretty cool looking uniforms!

They're still the good guys now, right?
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TheJoyStick
06-29-2004, 11:54 PM
Wow.. I didn't know all-white militaries still existed. That's strange.

HuninMunin
06-29-2004, 11:57 PM
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Well, we don`t have many coloured people here in germany.
Thats the reason that you don`t see blacks on the pics. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

"Ist das ein Weinachtsbaum?"
"Natürlich ist das ein Weinachtsbaum, oder glaubst du damit wird die Brücke getarnt?"

Hoarmurath
06-30-2004, 12:44 AM
Ahem... And what does it have to do with flight sims? I hope we won't have an OT each time a political figure do something... Please. There are specialized forums for this.

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tttiger
06-30-2004, 01:24 AM
Geeze, when I saw the thread title I thought (hoped) it was Dubya retiring...

Well, November is coming soon...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ttt

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Menthol_moose
06-30-2004, 03:51 AM
very spiffy uniforms ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

but hmmm.. isnt the torches a touch "uber" ?
I dont mean this as a troll, but it does bring some memories of the past up.

trumper
06-30-2004, 04:14 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I don't know who this person is but when i looked at the photos i had a feeling of going back in time,i don't mean this to be insulting to anyone or country as i know nothing of this persons history or what he is about, but i did find the contents of the photos a bit disturbing as well.
If i have upset anyone by these thoughts then please accept my sincerest apologies,i was talking about the contents and images in the photos.

Menthol_moose
06-30-2004, 04:24 AM
Thats what I felt too.

Sorry if it offends, and I know it was a long time ago.. but it just puts images into ones heads.

Helmet shape, square jaws, banners and torches.

csThor
06-30-2004, 05:33 AM
I did watch it and the pictures are exaggerating the whole affair. It was rather small - almost "intimate" (maybe 250 people in total). The "Großer Zapfenstreich" is one of the very few military customs the Bundeswehr has (apart from public pledges of the recruits).

The NVA (armed forces of the former GDR) was far more drastic with big parades, prussian goose-step and saber-rattling. I still remember the parades celebrating the founding of the GDR - NVA in their best uniforms and the "March of Corps Yorck".

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jensenpark
06-30-2004, 05:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Menthol_moose:
Thats what I felt too.

Sorry if it offends, and I know it was a long time ago.. but it just puts images into ones heads.

Helmet shape, square jaws, banners and torches.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Same thoughts myself...the helmuts, marching with torches, imagery of the eagle...
Shows you how hard it is to escape long-held stereotypes. Shame on me...

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Barmbek76
06-30-2004, 06:17 AM
Helmet-Shape is US-Shape http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

jagdfreund
06-30-2004, 06:24 AM
German to the front http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Red_Russian13
06-30-2004, 06:36 AM
Congratulations, or...something? What do you say to someone who's President is retiring? If he was a good man, then I'm sorry, if not, then you'll be getting a new one. Interesting photos though. OT or not, thanks. Wouldn't have seen them otherwise.

Red Russian

LEXX_Luthor
06-30-2004, 07:01 AM
Awsum pics.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Same thoughts myself...the helmuts, marching with torches, imagery of the eagle...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The initial reactions are correct. We do see classic cult imagery made famous from WW2 film footage. But then all military organizations through history practice cult-like religious rituals to some extent. I wonder what the Spartan activities were like. Why couldn't they have cameras in ancient times? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif I'd really love to see historic footage of ancient oared warships who's painted colours were said to be more exotic than even World War 1 German aircraft paint schemes.

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Goodwood_Alpha
06-30-2004, 07:20 AM
I thought those pics were good ones.

Come on people, let's go past the stereotypes; its the only way we'll evolve.

VOL_Hans
06-30-2004, 07:24 AM
I, for one, happen to like the German parade uniform style. If it looks a little scary and imposeing, so much the better. The military isn't supposta dress up like a bunch of teddy bears!

Granted, the torches and the large golden eagles on staffs might be a lil unsettleing, but, hey, tradition.

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Chuck_Older
06-30-2004, 08:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Menthol_moose:
very spiffy uniforms ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

but hmmm.. isnt the torches a touch "uber" ?
I dont mean this as a troll, but it does bring some memories of the past up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It shouldn't really surprise you. These are the same basic human stock if you understand what I mean. Teutons will look well, Teutonic. The imagery on the banners and so forth are not traditions from the '30s and '40s, although we in other parts of the world forget that the Scandinavian/Germanic mythology and background isn't far off from each other and that their customs are derived from ancient times, not just from 75 years ago. I mean, look at mythology alone...Germans would know the Norse God Thor as "Donner", and runes and so forth are identified with that Pantheon, if I recall the stories about Freya and her um, association with dwarves and their wares.

As far as the square jaws and helmets go, well, the US Army calls their helmet a "fritz", right? Same helmet design as pictured, seems to me. Does that make the US Army a bunch of Aryans? And facial features are a part of the German makeup, it's not their fault they look like that any more than Eskimoes look as they do. The torchlit parade is simply a grand spectacle. We think of nazi rallies and such because that's what we see in old photos and newsreels. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Skullin
06-30-2004, 08:45 AM
Wow!! German Military still looks Bad-*** !! Like mentioned above, they arent' supposed to look "friendly". glad they kept alot of their custom in there, definitely the coolest looking Military on the planet !

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Capt._Tenneal
06-30-2004, 08:55 AM
Nice pics. I didn't know the Germans went back to "that" kind of helmet design. I thought they would be the last military force to use it. Too many bad memories.

ploughman
06-30-2004, 09:04 AM
Hells bells! That sort of thing could give a vet a flashback. Very Lenni Reifenstahl (sp?). For being totally sinister though, you can't beat a regiment of North Korean goose-stepping at a hip popping 120 paces per minute. Utter nutters.

Happy retirment Herr President. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I.JG53_Steuben
06-30-2004, 09:19 AM
"Nice pics. I didn't know the Germans went back to "that" kind of helmet design. I thought they would be the last military force to use it. Too many bad memories."

They did not! The Helmet is an american Design http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Jirozaemon
06-30-2004, 09:20 AM
As the helmet has been mentioned:

The german helmet-design of WWII. has been adopted by a number of NATO-States inculding the US. So it is not that astonishing, that the design is used by the Germans as well. I´ve spend some time with the federal armed forces so that I can say that the tone and the rituals are quite "civilised" compared to other armies (e.g. France and the US).

These pictures are regularly on display when a high offical retires, so they are quite common (as they are in many other countries). It´s just a signal that Germany finally get´s back to normality. Nothing to worry about. (Reifenstahl is mentioned in the wrong context here !!!)

Regards

Jiro

[This message was edited by Jirozaemon on Wed June 30 2004 at 08:43 AM.]

Capt._Tenneal
06-30-2004, 09:44 AM
Other questions :

Is that a specific Ceremonial Guard unit on those pictures ? And where did this ceremony take place -- Berlin, Bonn, or somewhere else ? Did all branches of the military participate in the ceremonies, including Luftwaffe ? Thanks.

PraetorHonoris
06-30-2004, 09:53 AM
It is in Berlin, at Chateau Bellevue, where the President lives and works.

The unit is the Wachbataillon (honor guard) that belongs to the Sreitkr¤ftebasis (fifth arm of service may be translated with "basis of the armed forces").

The soldiers are wearing uniforms of the Heer (Army), Luftwaffe (air force) and Marine (navy) although they do not belong to any of them.
Every Wachbataillon soldier has all of these three uniform in his locker.

The Wachbataillon is located in Berlin, used for ceremonials only, but they are soldiers and know to fight.

The music is given by the Heeresmusikkorps, which also belongs to the Streitkr¤ftebasis.

BTW: I can only agree with Jirozaemon.

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BlackSqn81
06-30-2004, 09:53 AM
yes it is a special unit, the "wachbataillon". a special unit that does the honours for stateguests, retiring presidents and such...like in every other army the members must fit several qualities ( size, weight, no glasses and so on)...and they represent every part of the army, white is navy, grey army, blue airforce.
The helmet is us/nato-stile, looks different from the nazi-ones..

Jirozaemon
06-30-2004, 09:55 AM
There is a special cermonial unit for these events: the "Wachbatallion".

These soldiers have uniforms of navy, army and airforce but belong to the army. So not every branch has their own unit for such a purpose.
The ceremony took place at "Schloß Bellevue" in Berlin. This has been the venue for the german head of state since 1949.

Greets

Jiro

PraetorHonoris
06-30-2004, 09:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BlackSqn81:
and yes members off every part of the army take part in the wachbataillon, white is navy, grey army, blue airforce.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Not quite correct, look at my post above.

EDIT: Jiro is also wrong. They belong to the SKB.

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Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen"

BlackSqn81
06-30-2004, 09:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PraetorHonoris:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BlackSqn81:
and yes members off every part of the army take part in the wachbataillon, white is navy, grey army, blue airforce.


Not quite correct, look at my post above.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i know, just corrected, didn´t come out in english like i meant in german :-)

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PraetorHonoris
06-30-2004, 09:58 AM
Here is the link to the Wachbataillon (in German of course):

http://www.streitkraeftebasis.de/C1256C290043532F/vwContentFrame/612E7C72ED5C77AFC1256E05004CDD76

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7306/Aermelband.jpg
Jagdgeschwader 71 "Richthofen"