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klemlao
05-25-2007, 05:55 AM
Hi,

I am looking at buying a new display.

Any strong recommendations for a particular model, in the region of 180 - 250 in the UK?

Also, 5:4 or 16:10?

Rig is :-
ASUS A8N32SLi
AMD 64 x 2 3800+
2 x XFX7800GT SLi
2 Meg 2-2-2-5 RAM
700w Storm PSU
Win XP

Must resolve my inability to see the distant dots!

Thanks

klemlao
05-25-2007, 05:55 AM
Hi,

I am looking at buying a new display.

Any strong recommendations for a particular model, in the region of 180 - 250 in the UK?

Also, 5:4 or 16:10?

Rig is :-
ASUS A8N32SLi
AMD 64 x 2 3800+
2 x XFX7800GT SLi
2 Meg 2-2-2-5 RAM
700w Storm PSU
Win XP

Must resolve my inability to see the distant dots!

Thanks

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-25-2007, 06:51 AM
You want 16:9 or 16:10 (the alternative is 4:3 and not 5:4 btw. ) also, make sure you look for something 22" or larger. You should be able to find something decent in your price-range.

Go to newegg or do a google search. The results are too vast to list here, but I'd recommend either a Dell (don't laugh, they make really good monitors) or Samsung. The contestants from Acer and Viewsonic aren't rated quite as highly, but niether are they priced as high.


TB

WOLFMondo
05-25-2007, 07:19 AM
For 250 you can get the latest Asus 22" which by all reports is pretty good. I think you can also pick up a good Ilyama for that.

Check out www.widescreengamingforum.com (http://www.widescreengamingforum.com) for full reviews for almost any widescreen TFT/LCD. There no sponsored by anyone so they don't hold back on their reviews. Well worth looking at before you decide anything.

Ernst_Rohr
05-25-2007, 09:20 AM
Samsung 226BW is a great choice, I just switched, and its a huge improvement.

horseback
05-25-2007, 01:54 PM
I have a very nice ViewSonic 22", but if I run it at max settings, I find that the dots, if anything, are harder to see. Dot size is a function of pixel size, and at max ranges, the dots are supposedly only three pixels.

Generally, you'll find that the dots are easier to see at around 1280x763 than at 1680x1050.

cheers

horseback

Hoenire
05-25-2007, 04:40 PM
Samsung 226BW and don't believe the stuff about A and S panels I have an A panel and its sweeet.

Schutze_S
05-26-2007, 09:21 AM
Worth considering for 237.59

http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx...&cs=ukdhs1&sku=88221 (http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=uk&l=en&s=dhs&cs=ukdhs1&sku=88221)

klemlao
05-30-2007, 06:01 AM
thanks guys

Hoenire, what's all <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">the stuff about A and S panels </div></BLOCKQUOTE> ? Not heard of it.

WOLFMondo
05-30-2007, 06:04 AM
S-PVA allows a wider view and the picture is generally better. I've got a TN panel and an SPVA panel sitting next to each other. The SPVA is noticably superior in almost every way.

klemlao
05-30-2007, 06:46 AM
Samsung looks good if a bit pricey.

Anyone kjnow this one?
LG Flatron L226WTQ-BF

BSS_AIJO
05-30-2007, 10:36 AM
hey,

I got this about a week ago

http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_x22wg_1080p.htm

It is awsome, and I managed to pick it up for 249$ american.


BSS_AIJO

Mysticpuma2003
05-30-2007, 10:41 AM
I got (I know above your requested price) the Dell 2407, which is brilliant! 24", 1920x1200 Res. and inputs for VGA,DVI,Analogue and Component, also has USB2 Hub, Card Reader built in and my favourite is that it swivels upright too!

I have heard that the Asus 22" is a bargain, but so too is the Belinia 22".

Cheers, MP.

Doolittle81
05-30-2007, 12:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
I got (I know above your requested price) the Dell 2407, which is brilliant! 24", 1920x1200 Res. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I may have asked this of you elsewhere, but am I correct in assuming you run FB-PF-1946 with your config.ini set to 'force' the resolution to your monitor's native resolution of 1920X1200?

klemlao
05-31-2007, 01:16 AM
Mysticpuma - that is shameless wallet-waving http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F19_Orheim
05-31-2007, 01:36 AM
OK thanx guys for the inputs on klemlao's question.

Here is another:

I have a 19" CRT (4:3) screen which I am pretty happy with, but unfortunately it is very space consuming, leaving not very much room for other stuff on my desk. Also it starts to get a bit "worn".

I have been thinking of getting a 22" widescreen flat screen for some time now, and I have been looking at the Samsung products (225B and 226B), as they are known for good quality.

My CONCERN though is the resolution. I run the sim (pretty much the only game I play) at 1152x864. This works very well, both for discovering contacts but also for a decent fps (approx 35 with normal settings).

If I get a 22" widescreen I guess I have to run the game at the native resolution (which is 1680x1050). I have tried to run the game on my CRT with 1600x1200 just to get an idea how much FPS loss there there would be, and how much the dots dissappear. I get a 10-15 FPS drop with this resolution and the dots are not at all that visable.

So here is the question. How good is the picture on a similar 22" widescreen if I run the game NOT in the native resolution, but a lower one?

Am I better off with my CRT until I get a better 'puter that can handle the native resolution?

Thankful for any advice and inputs.

WOLFMondo
05-31-2007, 02:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Doolittle81:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mysticpuma2003:
I got (I know above your requested price) the Dell 2407, which is brilliant! 24", 1920x1200 Res. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I may have asked this of you elsewhere, but am I correct in assuming you run FB-PF-1946 with your config.ini set to 'force' the resolution to your monitor's native resolution of 1920X1200? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its the only way to get it running anything other than the default set of resolutions. Changing the res and aspect ratio in the conf.ini does it.

klemlao
05-31-2007, 08:59 AM
Whoah! Good question F19-Orheim!

I used to have a flatscreen 1280 x 1024 but ran it at 1024 x 768 and the monitor 'converted' it to native 1280 x 1024 so my 9600XT video card only had to generate 1024 x 768.

BUT..... was that the best thing to do? Answers please.....

Also, from other threads, I don't expect to get 'true' widescreen in IL2 as to fully widen it you have to lose some top and bottom picture if you keep the game aspect ratio the same. I don't think IL2 runs true widescreen.

I am buying ahead of SOW:BoB and 'cos my old monitor just doesn't show up those dots very well. If I end up with 5:4 in IL2 so be it.

Thanks again for the input guys and I look forward to your comments....

brp51d
05-31-2007, 10:52 AM
The Samsung 226BW has gotten very good reviews. However, I had to return two of them because of various problems. On one, the onscreen controls did not work. On both the graphic quality was disappointing.I tested the monitors on another system and had similar problems. I also, tested the monitors on y system with a different video card with no improvement. Calibration did not significantly improve the display. I may just have had bad luck and I know there are people on these boards who have had very good experiences with that monitor.

Yellonet
05-31-2007, 11:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
OK thanx guys for the inputs on klemlao's question.

Here is another:

I have a 19" CRT (4:3) screen which I am pretty happy with, but unfortunately it is very space consuming, leaving not very much room for other stuff on my desk. Also it starts to get a bit "worn".

I have been thinking of getting a 22" widescreen flat screen for some time now, and I have been looking at the Samsung products (225B and 226B), as they are known for good quality.

My CONCERN though is the resolution. I run the sim (pretty much the only game I play) at 1152x864. This works very well, both for discovering contacts but also for a decent fps (approx 35 with normal settings).

If I get a 22" widescreen I guess I have to run the game at the native resolution (which is 1680x1050). I have tried to run the game on my CRT with 1600x1200 just to get an idea how much FPS loss there there would be, and how much the dots dissappear. I get a 10-15 FPS drop with this resolution and the dots are not at all that visable.

So here is the question. How good is the picture on a similar 22" widescreen if I run the game NOT in the native resolution, but a lower one?

Am I better off with my CRT until I get a better 'puter that can handle the native resolution?

Thankful for any advice and inputs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Using non native resolution will not be that good I'm afraid.
As the pixels (the little diodes really) of an LCD is of a fixed size that area of the screen can only display one color at a time, i.e. if an image is in the wrong resolution it will be displayed incorrectly as image pixels will either be displayed on two screen pixels or none as they where too large or too small for the physical screen pixels.
I've avoided LCD's for this reason.

klemlao
06-01-2007, 10:51 AM
ok now I'm getting nervous.

My rig:-

ASUS A8N32SLi
AMD 64 x 2 3800+
2 Gb Corsair XLPT3200 2-2-2-5 memory
2 x XFX7800GT in SLi mode
2 x 160Gb HDD in Raid config
Jeantech STORM 700W PSU
Win XP
DirectX9c

I get around 40fps in The Black death Track. Less than I had expected at 1280 x 1024 x 32.

At higher resolutions (1600 x 1200) the fps just drops like a stone to around 17.

Am I wasting my money getting a wide screen display. Should I stick with a standard 4:3 format flat screen?

Warhammer_II
06-01-2007, 11:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by brp51d:
The Samsung 226BW has gotten very good reviews. However, I had to return two of them because of various problems. On one, the onscreen controls did not work. On both the graphic quality was disappointing.I tested the monitors on another system and had similar problems. I also, tested the monitors on y system with a different video card with no improvement. Calibration did not significantly improve the display. I may just have had bad luck and I know there are people on these boards who have had very good experiences with that monitor. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just picked up one of these yesterday and was absolutely floored with the results. I can actually read all the text on the dials without squinting and everything else. Big improvement over my old 17" CRT.

Banger2004
06-01-2007, 12:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
OK thanx guys for the inputs on klemlao's question.

Here is another:

I have a 19" CRT (4:3) screen which I am pretty happy with, but unfortunately it is very space consuming, leaving not very much room for other stuff on my desk. Also it starts to get a bit "worn".

I have been thinking of getting a 22" widescreen flat screen for some time now, and I have been looking at the Samsung products (225B and 226B), as they are known for good quality.

My CONCERN though is the resolution. I run the sim (pretty much the only game I play) at 1152x864. This works very well, both for discovering contacts but also for a decent fps (approx 35 with normal settings).

If I get a 22" widescreen I guess I have to run the game at the native resolution (which is 1680x1050). I have tried to run the game on my CRT with 1600x1200 just to get an idea how much FPS loss there there would be, and how much the dots dissappear. I get a 10-15 FPS drop with this resolution and the dots are not at all that visable.

So here is the question. How good is the picture on a similar 22" widescreen if I run the game NOT in the native resolution, but a lower one?

Am I better off with my CRT until I get a better 'puter that can handle the native resolution?

Thankful for any advice and inputs. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just tried it on my shiny new 226B. DO NOT use anything other than native resolution. 1152*864 looks almost as bad as 800*600 on a CRT. At any rate, I found it most dissappionting at that resolution.

This monitor in itself is a gem, at native resolution it really looks the business. Desktop is really sharp. In game (only tried IL2 so far), perfect setting is looking astonishing.

I run a geforce 320mb 8800gts, athlon 3800*2 o/c to 2.7 with 2 gig Corsair memory, and you would probably need to upgrade your graphic card and/or processor to around that spec to use 1680*1050 resolution.

If you do go the route of LCD, you will not be dissappointed, provided you match your computer to the screen. I found my old LG 17in CRT was great in that I could match my previous graphics cards/processors with a suitable resolution. CRTs are more flexible for that.

But I shall not go back to CRT, this is my best prchase for quite a while. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

F19_Orheim
06-02-2007, 03:03 PM
thanx mate.. I'll stick to my CRT until my upgrade this winter http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cheers!

klemlao
06-03-2007, 03:50 AM
I have found the cause of my low FPS in 1600 x 1200.

My monitor is a 19" CRT 4:3
My desktop is set to 1600 x 1200
My IL2 conf.ini is set to 1600 x 1200.

When I run Full Screen = 1 (not running in a window) I get the fps drop.
When I run in Full Screen = 0 (run it in a window) I get 40 - 80+ fps.

Anyone know the way around this?

btw I don't get the problem with 1600 x 1024.

I have played around with these:
ChangeScreenRes=0/1
FullScreen=0/1
EnableResize=0/1
SaveAspect=0/1

but no improvement.

I seems my rig will run the 1600 x nnnn resolutions ok, it's just this window problem in 1600 x 1200 (4:3).

Hope someone out there can help......

Mysticpuma2003
06-03-2007, 04:36 AM
My conf.ini for widescreen.

[window]
width=1920
height=1200
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=1
FullScreen=1
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=0
EnableClose=1
SaveAspect=0
Use3Renders=0

When the game launches the actual setup screen stays square (where you change video options etc), but once the game launches....oh yes....wide-o-vision http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Also if your monitor rotates upright, you can change the ini and have your screen upright, giving you a larger up and down view instead of l-to-r.

Cheers, MP.

klemlao
06-17-2007, 02:47 AM
Guys, many thanks for the advice.

I just got the Samsung 226BW and it's a huge improvement on my old 19" CRT display.

I am running at 1680 x 1050 (Native resolution) and have only one problem:

I appear to be sitting much further forward in Gunsight view. e.g. before in a Spitfire the curved frame just sat inside the edge of the 4:3 CRT screen. Now it disappears out of the sides of my widescreen leaving me a much narrower view which I can't seem to improve. Is there anyway to fix this and get it back to where it was before?


my conf.ini reads:

[window]
width=1680
height=1050
ColourBits=32
DepthBits=24
StencilBits=8
ChangeScreenRes=0
FullScreen=1
DrawIfNotFocused=0
EnableResize=0
EnableClose=0
SaveAspect=0
Use3Renders=0