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JG27_Droz
02-04-2005, 05:12 PM
Got a new X-52. Love this thing. Only one problem.

I now need to move this stick really far in any direction to get any response in game. This is the only game this does this in. All my other flight sims are fine.

Anyone help me out?

I've got X-52 and CH Rudder Pedals. I put my stick settings back to default basically and nothing. I'm not all well versed in messing with the deadband settings and such.

Any help please?

JG27_Droz
02-04-2005, 05:12 PM
Got a new X-52. Love this thing. Only one problem.

I now need to move this stick really far in any direction to get any response in game. This is the only game this does this in. All my other flight sims are fine.

Anyone help me out?

I've got X-52 and CH Rudder Pedals. I put my stick settings back to default basically and nothing. I'm not all well versed in messing with the deadband settings and such.

Any help please?

cwojackson
02-04-2005, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Droz:
Got a new X-52. Love this thing. Only one problem.

I now need to move this stick really far in any direction to get any response in game. This is the only game this does this in. All my other flight sims are fine.

Anyone help me out?

I've got X-52 and CH Rudder Pedals. I put my stick settings back to default basically and nothing. I'm not all well versed in messing with the deadband settings and such.

Any help please? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If you check out the Saitek forum you'll find some customer PF profiles that work pretty good; as you've found out default doesn't.

Also, if you do a search using the forum search engine for X-52 you'll find some informative threads that give real help.

In the end I found one of the profiles from the Saitek forum to work best for me.

How do you like the X-52? I love it, but I do find myself switching between it and my Logitech Freedom 2.4 at times.

JG27_Droz
02-04-2005, 05:20 PM
I personally love it.

the PROFILE isn't an issue. I made my own profile and it works great. The problem is the deadband issue. This is what I have in my conf.ini right now, and need some help with it.

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
RZ=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
FF=0
U=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
V=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
RX=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RX=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RZ=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1U=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1V=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1Z=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1X1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1Y1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RX1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RZ1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1U1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1V1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0

JunkoIfurita
02-04-2005, 05:22 PM
I've got an X52, and yeah when I first got the **** thing I was really bloody annoyed by it.

It has a completely flat response curve, and that means that if you leave the default input settings in the game (that's hardware setups/input) you're going to get jack all response in the initial regions.

There are two ways to fix this. The first is to boost all the sliders in pitch/roll to 100. This will fix your problem, as when a slider is at 100 it's following the exact response of the stick. The default settings (at least on logarithmic response curve sticks i.e. anything but Saitek) are a little less sensitive so as to model the reactions of a WWII aircraft stick.

The only problem with the 100 method is that many say that it makes the stick a little too twitchy.

The second method is simply to experiment. You want pretty high settings in the early (leftmost) response regions so you're eliminating the flat response, while in the outer response regions (rightmost) you might want to ease off a little so that its not so **** twitchy as soon as you move the stick to its limits. Were I to plot that on a graph, it'd look like a reverse logarithmic curve (if that makes any sense)

Let me know how you go.

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cwojackson
02-04-2005, 05:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG27_Droz:
I personally love it.

the PROFILE isn't an issue. I made my own profile and it works great. The problem is the deadband issue. This is what I have in my conf.ini right now, and need some help with it.

[rts_joystick]
X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
Z=1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100
RZ=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
FF=0
U=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
V=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
RX=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1X=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1Y=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RX=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RZ=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1U=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1V=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1Z=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1X1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1Y1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RX1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1RZ1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1U1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0
1V1=0 1 4 9 16 25 36 49 64 81 100 0 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ah, sorry about that. I'm one of the lucky ones I guess. I've never modified my config file and don't have a dead zone problem.

JunkoIfurita
02-04-2005, 05:27 PM
btw its not actually a deadband, its just a flat response curve.

I figured all this out by testing it in the windows joystick properties, side by side with a Thrustmaster Top Gun Afterburner II. With the saitek, when you pushed the stick evenly the x moved outwards at the same rate in all sections of the square.

With the Afterburner, pushing it evenly made the x move much more quickly from the centre, and more slowly in the outer regions.

The rest was simple mathematical inference

Nachtjaeger
02-04-2005, 05:48 PM
If you go into control panel and open up the window for your controller you will find several tabbed pages, one of them is deadzones. They are controlled by two sets of sliders,one for the center deadzone and one for the outside deadzone.I have been using default IL2 settings (0 deadzone,10,20,30ETC..) and setting the center deadzone to zero and moving the outer deadzones in one "notch". This gives nice responsiveness whithout being too twitchy. Hope that helps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Tully__
02-04-2005, 06:40 PM
Check the "Setting sensitivity" section of the "Joysticks..." article in my sig, try "The Authors" settings.