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JG27_Arklight
10-18-2004, 04:53 PM
YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!!!


I'm gonna put money on the Corsair.

Yep, #1 whinemobile is going to be the Corsair.

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Giganoni
10-18-2004, 04:58 PM
Yeah I agree, I think the allied aircraft is gonna get the majority of the whines when I bet they are probably the most heavily researched (and therefore more accurate) fms in the game.

I also bet there will be some whines about Japanese A/C being too tough. Especially the Betty, I bet if some people can't take it out in one pass they'll cry foul. Or better yet if they get killed by the 20mm cannon in the tail.

NegativeGee
10-18-2004, 05:06 PM
The late model Zeros could also have great potential I think like the vintage of the Ki-84.

If we get a later model Betty with armour and self sealing tanks that would be a prime candiate as well.

Future-
10-18-2004, 05:08 PM
#1 Corsair

#2 Hellcat

#3 Zero

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LStarosta
10-18-2004, 05:19 PM
The Hellcat is such a sexy plane, if no one whines about it, I am afraid I will have to. . . Because it's sexy.

FI_Macca44
10-18-2004, 05:27 PM
no ,no ,mno the most whinning will be done about F4f.Yes, I'm sure.....but I might be wrong.

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 05:30 PM
the most whines are going to be from the people who whine about people who whine about a plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cannon68
10-18-2004, 05:43 PM
The second would have to be the "Sniper AI" its always that One shot that will mess up yer day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Oilburner_TAW
10-18-2004, 05:54 PM
Easy...the Avenger

Willey
10-18-2004, 06:04 PM
Maybe Corsair - overmodelled.
Avenger - no cockpit.
Wildcat - can't beat Zero.
Hayabusa - overmodelled FM, but **** guns.

At least that's what I expect to read here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

If it's not aircraft I put my money on the ship guns/flak beeing overmodelled and making frames drop to 1-9/sec.
And missing maps like Bougainville or Rabaul...

Chuck_Older
10-18-2004, 06:16 PM
The Focke-Wulf 190. be sure

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 06:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cannon68:
The second would have to be the "Sniper AI" its always that One shot that will mess up yer day http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ya ill be leading that charge lol.

LuckyBoy1
10-18-2004, 06:41 PM
Why wait for the release?! Let me get it going now. I put in my official whine for the B-29 to be flyable.

Bearcat99
10-18-2004, 06:50 PM
Maybe there wont be any whines... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Oh... wait.... this is UBI... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

NegativeGee
10-18-2004, 06:50 PM
Actually thats a good candiate- remote gunnery system on the B-29... if its accurately modelled it will make the current AI gunners look like noobs http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

SkyChimp
10-18-2004, 07:56 PM
Hellcat, since I have the roll chart for both of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-18-2004, 08:20 PM
All wrong http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif It will be the Ki-61...be sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Obi_Kwiet
10-18-2004, 08:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Hellcat, since I have the roll chart for both of them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...which you'll place on your sig as protest.

diabloblanco1
10-18-2004, 08:43 PM
Take ALL whines with a grain of salt and consider the sources. PF is a very well balanced sim with no glaring errors that I can see.

Eraser_tr
10-18-2004, 09:19 PM
heh...I'll be specific: The wildcat, because it can't beat the zero and the gear has to be raised and lowered manually http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Come to think of it, I need to actually set, raise gear manually when PF is out *grumbles in lazyness*

Snow_Wolf_
10-18-2004, 09:24 PM
well that why Oleg came out with that letter which Bearcat put to protect himself from the possible problem of being call basis or being unaccurate it a good thing he said that I totally agree with him on that post.

Now for the plane that going get the whine i would say

Bombers guys
1)B-25j
2)A-20
3)G4m Betty

Ground attack / Dive bombers
1) Beaufighter
2) SDB
3) D3A

Fighter guys
1) Corsair
2) Hellcat
3) P-400

flyingbullseye
10-18-2004, 09:36 PM
Whinemobile thats good I have to remember that one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-18-2004, 10:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Snow_Wolf_:
well that why Oleg came out with that letter which Bearcat put to protect himself from the possible problem of being call basis or being unaccurate it a good thing he said that I totally agree with him on that post.

Now for the plane that going get the whine i would say

Bombers guys
1)B-25j
2)A-20
3)G4m Betty

Ground attack / Dive bombers
1) Beaufighter
2) SDB
3) D3A

Fighter guys
1) Corsair
2) Hellcat
3) P-400 <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


All are and will be wonderful...sry it will be the Ki-61...be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WUAF_Badsight
10-18-2004, 10:14 PM
if the corsair is overmoddeled it will be the least complained about plane

ElAurens
10-18-2004, 10:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
...sry it will be the Ki-61...be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what is the basis for your claim? Do you think it will be over or under modeled?

Personally I'd be willing to bet that it will not live up to it's real life performance numbers.

sapre
10-18-2004, 11:04 PM
OMG OMG OLEG THE CLIMBRATE OF CORSAIR/WILDCAT/HELLCAT/ZERO/HAYABUSA IS 5KMH FASTER/SLOWER ACCORDING TO MY SOURCE!
U MUST FIX THIS NOW!

chris455
10-18-2004, 11:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:

I also bet there will be some whines about Japanese A/C being too tough. Especially the Betty, I bet if some people can't take it out in one pass they'll cry foul. Or better yet if they get killed by the 20mm cannon in the tail. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe it was Joe Foss, who was once asked about the legendary vulnerability of the Betty and it's tendancy to catch fire.
He thought about it for a moment and said,

"I don't remember it being that easy to shoot down"

Maybe we're all in for a surprise. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

munnst
10-19-2004, 12:54 AM
On behalf of the Royal Navy can I whine about the Swordfish, or rather lack of it.

Thanks.

VVS-Manuc
10-19-2004, 01:05 AM
Oleg will release a patch to please all US-Navy aircraft whiners within two weeks...be sure

WOLFMondo
10-19-2004, 04:31 AM
It will be the Corsair. Guys trying to turn fight in it getting shot down quickly and will come crying and complaining.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by munnst:
On behalf of the Royal Navy can I whine about the Swordfish, or rather lack of it.

Thanks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Im not sure the Swordfish served in the Pacific that much, by that time the BPF was there in force the Avenger and Firefly were on attack dutys.

I think there will be a few whines about planes that should have been in PF. Im really suprised there is no Fairly Firefly as much as there is no P47N. A Spitfire XIV would also be nice in there too.

ploughman
10-19-2004, 04:42 AM
It isn't an aeroplane, but us Brits'll be whining that the RN carriers sink to easily, and everyone else'll be whining that **** thing can't be sunk.

FF_Trozaka
10-19-2004, 05:23 AM
I will whine first about the Kate not being in !

(officially my second Kate whine thus far) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifbanzai!

munnst
10-19-2004, 05:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ploughman:
It isn't an aeroplane, but us Brits'll be whining that the RN carriers sink to easily, and everyone else'll be whining that **** thing can't be sunk. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Carriers, you should be able to flip them with .50's.

_Gadzilla_
10-19-2004, 05:44 AM
Personally, it will be the one I get shot down in.

(Gad mumbling to himself in front of keyboard) "Dang piece of ****(insert plane), (insert no wonder/however did)(insert side) (insert win/lost) the war!"

examples:
Dang piece of **** Wildcat, however did the allies win the war!

Dang piece of **** Tony, no wonder Japan lost the war!

I call it the whine formula, works well both on and offline http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Barred
10-19-2004, 05:52 AM
It does not really mater if every thing is perfect. Someone will whine about having nothing to whine about.

Tvrdi
10-19-2004, 07:55 AM
HERE U ARE - I heard (from my friend who is from Netherland and finally got his copy of PF yesterday in the local store) that F4f Wildcat is good at turns like a6M2 zero....i thought a6m2 was better in turns than wildcat? or Im wrong? whiiiiiiiineeeeeeeee!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

ploughman
10-19-2004, 08:50 AM
2nd hand whine with no evidence, that's vintage stuff. There must be some sort of commendation for that: Order of the Unsubstantiated Whine Once Removed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Barred
10-19-2004, 09:55 AM
If you are in a cockpit it is a white whine.
When you get shot it is a red Whine http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 10:00 AM
Turn rate whines are funny. Different planes have different instantaneous, and constant turn rates at different speeds. There are plenty of instances where an F4F might outturn a zeke. Not that I don;t expect to see the whines http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

tater

WereSnowleopard
10-19-2004, 02:09 PM
It should be so easy....flyable single engine torpedo bombers (both sides).

mine is...
flyable Ki-44 (due to lack of refernce of (cockpit)
flyable Ki-27 (maybe will add in next patch)
flyable PBY (Will it be flyable in next patch?)

Final thing, which I will always see other people whining often are A-bomb and flyable B-29. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Cheer
Snowloepard

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-19-2004, 02:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
...sry it will be the Ki-61...be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what is the basis for your claim? Do you think it will be over or under modeled?

Personally I'd be willing to bet that it will not live up to it's real life performance numbers. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Under or over Im not sure. But many have here in this forum think it should and will fly much similar to a 109. Im afraid they will be dissapointed is all.

-S-

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-19-2004, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VVS-Manuc:
Oleg will release a patch to please all US-Navy aircraft whiners within two weeks...be sure <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No need

diabloblanco1
10-19-2004, 03:23 PM
The idiots have already started about the F4U/1c saying its uber and the guns are uber etc.. BS! Then again this is UBI forums where idiots regin supreme. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

ElAurens
10-19-2004, 03:54 PM
HaVoK, the IJAAF tested the Ki 61 agianst the 109E3, P40, and LaGG 3. In their tests it handily out performed them all. Of course I don't expect it to beat the LaGG 3 we have in FB/AEP, that AC is far too overmodeled.

But the others? We will have to wait and see.

WUAF_Badsight
10-19-2004, 09:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Under or over Im not sure. But many have here in this forum think it should and will fly much similar to a 109. Im afraid they will be dissapointed is all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ah yes but which 109 ?

how much game time do you have piloting Emils ?

because the Ki-61 used the same motor as them , the DB 601

NIGHTBARON
10-20-2004, 12:24 AM
What aircraft everybody gonna whine first... Hmm, This is actually why I rarelly visit the forum.
Well, Im no combat pilot nor those who probably know every single tids, bits, Nuts and bolts in a certain aircraft.
But i think the no 1 whine gonna go for the US planes, Since I bet theres gonna be more than a dozen who will post a detailed performance chart they read in some books/websites wich says US planes should be unbeatable in every aspect since they do win the war.

Then No 2 Whines def gonna go for the japanese planes... Since im sure theres EVEN more than few dozens who will want the japanese planes should be go down in flame with a single shot... since they lose the war.

Personally for me, I only know a simple thing... I only know that back in WW2 every single american pilots know that they shouldnt dog fight a zero...pappy says so anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
( now, i whined... I've joined the club)

Snow_Wolf_
10-20-2004, 04:08 AM
lol the Ki-61 got a very frigile engine like the 109

geetarman
10-20-2004, 12:22 PM
I'll be the first to whine when df'ing Zeros over Iwo Jima and I get shot down by a German ME-262! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

PlimPlam
10-20-2004, 12:32 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-20-2004, 02:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ElAurens:
HaVoK, the IJAAF tested the Ki 61 agianst the 109E3, P40, and LaGG 3. In their tests it handily out performed them all. Of course I don't expect it to beat the LaGG 3 we have in FB/AEP, that AC is _far_ too overmodeled.

But the others? We will have to wait and see. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Then Im correct...many will be dissapointed if they expect what you just posted.

VMF-214_HaVoK
10-20-2004, 02:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by diabloblanco1:
The idiots have already started about the F4U/1c saying its uber and the guns are uber etc.. BS! Then again this is UBI forums where idiots regin supreme. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Remember there is a difference between overmodeled and Uber. The Corsair is not overmodeled as far as Uber or super or above all...well that will be left to personal opinion. Some Ki flyers will find it an easy target. Also it depends on the skill of the pilot. I know guys who can dogfight in IL-2s with great success. It pretty much comes down to which plane you master and how long you play or have played the IL-2 series. If you have alot of experience and are a good virtual pilot then you can make just about any plane you fly Uber.

Uber is probably the most misused word that has to do with aircraft in this forum. Personally I dont think one single plane is above them all. Some people are better then others. Some people just call your plane uber or a noob plane because you killed them and need an excuse to justify it. (Im guilty of it and so are all of you http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif"

As far as the guns being uber. Well thats just silly. All guns are uber versus Jap planes.

IMHO ofcoarse http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

=S=

Giganoni
10-20-2004, 04:19 PM
I'm laying it down right now. My number 1 whine if it is still in PF.

PF was going to include the Type 11 75mm AA as the large calibur AA gun of the Japanese. I repeatedly stated that the Type 11 was RETIRED before WWII began. The main type was type 88 75mm gun. It was much improved over the 11.

Now I know the devs pride themselves on Historical accuracy of Planes and that they are a Flight Sim first, but to include an AA gun that was not used by wwII and only 44 (by some of my sources) were made? Over 2000 type 88s were made. Is this type 11 in PF? Anyone want to tell me?

Hehe, this might be up there with the Forgotten Hope people actually having the knee mortar fire from the knee.

Snootles
10-20-2004, 06:45 PM
My first whinemobile will be the Ki-44 Syoki. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

BuzzU
10-20-2004, 08:04 PM
I'll have red wine with my steak please. Thank you.

heywooood
10-20-2004, 08:09 PM
hmmm.. no whine is aged on PF board... always poured on ahead of time..Pf is not yet 'fully' released.. yet we have oceans of whine and islands of cheeeze already.

Snootles
10-20-2004, 09:10 PM
I'd say the "muzzle flash" and "Fw 190 windshield bar" arguments are very finely aged whine. Of course like all fine whines they are very hard to find these days.

WUAF_Badsight
10-20-2004, 10:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF-214_HaVoK:
Then Im correct...many will be dissapointed if they expect what you just posted. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so the Ki-61 is undermoddeled ?

Stuntie
10-21-2004, 02:30 AM
Nah, the basic whine will be:

"The -insert plane currently being flown here- is sh*t. It's under modelled, undergunned and just plain sh*t. Why? Because I couldn't down all 8 enemy fighters single handed. It can't be me being a p*ss poor pilot, coz I'm the best pilot ever, so it must be the plane. Thats the last plane game I buy. i'm off back to Quake 666"

falco_cz
10-21-2004, 04:30 AM
I don't have PF yet but if Ki61 si modelled correctly there be probably some whine: underpowered (Ha40 was actually DB601 - 1075 HP), slow (560 km/h for '42 planeset) and not as maneuvrable as other Japanese fighters.

Giganoni
10-21-2004, 04:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by falco_cz:
I don't have PF yet but if Ki61 si modelled correctly there be probably some whine: underpowered (Ha40 was actually DB601 - 1075 HP), slow (560 km/h for '42 planeset) and not as maneuvrable as other Japanese fighters. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ki-61 I could reach ~590kph, the Ha-40 had 1175 hp. More manuverable than the 109E, and could attain a high dive speed.

Sources: Ikuhiko Hata Yasuho Izawa Japanese Army Air Force Fighter Units and Their Aces

The Encyclopedia of Weapons of World War II

Complete Book of World War II Combat Aircraft

ElAurens
10-21-2004, 05:33 AM
To quote the "Performance & Characteristics Manual for Japanese Aircraft" published by the TAIC:

Tony 1

SPEED:
302 mph @ Sea Level
361 mph @ 15,800 ft.
215 mph @ 1,500 ft. Cruising @75% power

"TONY is equipped with leak proof internal tanks and armor is fitted behind and under the pilot. Because of better fuel and pilot protection this aircraft represents a distinct imporvement in Jap fighters."

December 1944

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Giganoni
10-21-2004, 05:55 AM
Cool info, I don't place all my trust in TAIC though.

AFJ_Skyghost
10-21-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
Maybe there wont be _any whines_... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Oh... wait.... this is UBI... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


it's a nice dream but it s time to wake up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

ElAurens
10-21-2004, 10:43 AM
Nor do I Giganoni, but, the Ki61-I was one of the AC that was tested, unlike the Ki61-II, whose performance was only "estimated".

My real fear for the Ki61 is that it will be dumbed down too much in the turn. While it was not as maneuverable as a Zero or Hayabusa, it was still more maneuverable than the USAAF aircraft it faced.

We'll see next week I guess.

Gunner_361st
10-21-2004, 01:24 PM
Yeah, another American here waiting eagerly for Pacific Fighters.

As for Whine, I'll do my best to manufacture as much as possible when my B-25 goes thundering over Japanese airfields and leaves lovely little parachutes behind.

Vulching; the fine art of dominating an enemy airfield. Anyone here ever have the nerve to do a touch-and-go at an enemy base online?

Stuntie
10-21-2004, 01:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>...when my B-25 goes thundering over Japanese airfields and leaves lovely little parachutes behind.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Parachutes! You're going to throw the crew out? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif