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Kira1985
09-01-2007, 11:02 AM
When the first jets were build, prop planes pilots were amused by the P-38 incredible maneuverability and pity those jets that felt like gas tanks with wings.
Time has passed and modern pilots wanted something else other than flying tanks. British and americans gave their pilots the Harrier, but... they were still unhappy with its non existant maneuverability.
The russians finally came up with the Su-27 and found out it could pull a nice move which was later called "Pugachev's cobra". But it still wasn't as nice as the P-38's move!
Thrust vectoring control was finally available for modern fighters, but all the pilots pity it took so many years to match the P-38's super move.
Many enthusiasts claim "the P-47/51/spitfire" won teh war", but we all know that's BS. The axis pilots **** their pants when they saw the P-38 pulling this maneuver, and either ran home or surrended at once when not getting killed first.

http://rapidshare.com/files/52700795/P-38_won_teh_war.avi.html

Korolov1986
09-01-2007, 11:09 AM
You is wrong. P-51 won the war.

mortoma
09-01-2007, 11:33 AM
uhhhh....The Wright flyer won the war. Once Orville figured out how to hang those MGs on it, it was all over.

Divine-Wind
09-01-2007, 02:21 PM
Snoopy's Doghouse won the war. If he hadn't shot down the Red Baron, the Deathstar would've moved into position before Luke Skywalker could fire proton torpedoes down the exhaust shaft, and the Battle of the Bulge would have been lost.

jarink
09-01-2007, 02:29 PM
Henry Kaiser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_J._Kaiser) won teh war.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

DKoor
09-01-2007, 02:31 PM
B-17 and Shturmovik won the war

Grand_Armee
09-01-2007, 03:14 PM
Nope. You are all wrong. Trucks won the war.

Those that had the most trucks won the war.

OH...and those supply weenies at the rear. You know who they are....they've got nice shiny web gear while yours is held together with duct tape. They've got clean, round faces while yours is browned by the sun and chisled by privation. They've got a fresh shave while you have stubble because your razor is dull and your shaving water cold.

Whoever had the most of the above...they're always gonna win.

BillyTheKid_22
09-01-2007, 04:55 PM
P-51 won the war!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

zardozid
09-01-2007, 05:29 PM
<span class="ev_code_RED">Am</span><span class="ev_code_WHITE">eric</span><span class="ev_code_BLUE">an</span> Industry won the war...

Without it both Russia and Great Brittan would have had a VERY hard time taking the fight to the Germans...

FPSOLKOR
09-01-2007, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by zardozid:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Am</span><span class="ev_code_WHITE">eric</span><span class="ev_code_BLUE">an</span> Industry won the war...

Without it both Russia and Great Brittan would have had a VERY hard time taking the fight to the Germans...
Without it UK and Russia would have won the war earlier. I recomend you to take a look at Ford and GM history (just a slight example).


Like his father, Edsel's reputation is clouded over associations with Nazi Germany. Questions linger regarding what degree of control Edsel maintained over Ford plants in Germany and Vichy France during World War II, and concerning to what extent Ford shareholders profited from the forced labor the Nazis used at those plants. A U.S. Treasury Department investigation of Edsel for alleged violations of the Trading with the Enemy Act (12 U.S.C. 95a) ended shortly after his death in 1943. Ford Motor Company maintains that it lost control of the plants immediately after Germany declared war on the U.S. in 1941, while admitting that some limited profits were received.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edsel_Ford

DKoor
09-01-2007, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by zardozid:
<span class="ev_code_RED">Am</span><span class="ev_code_WHITE">eric</span><span class="ev_code_BLUE">an</span> Industry won the war...

Without it both Russia and Great Brittan would have had a VERY hard time taking the fight to the Germans...
Without it UK and Russia would have won the war earlier. I recomend you to take a look at Ford and GM history (just a slight example). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>rofl

Hoenire
09-01-2007, 05:44 PM
Can't remember who said it but...

"The last word in air supremacy is a tank on the runway!"

...or something like that.

Korolov1986
09-01-2007, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
Without it UK and Russia would have won the war earlier. I recomend you to take a look at Ford and GM history (just a slight example).


Let's see, a few factories in Germany and France compared to the hundreds spread across the CONUS. Hmm... Yup, you're right, if the US held onto the isolationist policy, the war would have been over much faster.

Ratsack
09-01-2007, 08:45 PM
Allan Brooke won teh war.

Fact.

Ratsack

Rjel
09-01-2007, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
Without it UK and Russia would have won the war earlier. I recomend you to take a look at Ford and GM history (just a slight example).


Yes, I'm certain if both Ford's and General Motors' board of directors had only asked, Nazi Germany would've certainly turned off the lights at any of the factories they came to possess during the course of the war.

scaredycat1
09-01-2007, 10:43 PM
Damm,I coulda swore the Allies won the war....

DuxCorvan
09-02-2007, 05:31 AM
What war? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

JimmyBlonde
09-02-2007, 05:34 AM
Rudolf Hess lost the war in a poker game.

DuxCorvan
09-02-2007, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by JimmyBlonde:
Rudolf Hess lost the war in a poker game.

It was bridge. Versus Wallis Simpson.

MEGILE
09-02-2007, 07:06 AM
Rose Mcgowan won the war with her hex hax

Sergio_101
09-02-2007, 01:39 PM
55,000,000 people lost the war.

The political victory went to the Allies.

Boeing, Krupp and Mitsubishi won the war.

Germans have a hard time explaining how
they got beaten so badly by inferior numbers
of P-51s.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

That's correct, inferior numbers.


Clear political victory went to the US and maybe the Soviets.
Britian lost it's empire.
France lost it's credability.
In the end Germany and Japan are clear victors.

Strange how the aftermath of such a terrible war pan's out.

Sergio

DuxCorvan
09-02-2007, 02:17 PM
Stalin, Germany and Japan won the war:

Stalin became the leader of a world power, annexed half of Poland and part of Finland, controlled half of Europe, eliminated his main rivals in his West and East frontiers and got free of 20,000,000 potential inner enemies.

Japan and Germany shook off the burden of their militaristic pasts to become the economic and industrial leaders of Europe and Asia, respectively.


Now the losers:

The USA became slaves of their own monstrous industry and took the undesirable role of 'world arbiter' they never really wanted, UK and France lost their colonial empires and most of their past relevance, and the Eastern Europe countries became puppets of the Soviet Union.

Tator_Totts
09-02-2007, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Stalin, Germany and Japan won the war:

Stalin became the leader of a world power, annexed half of Poland and part of Finland, controlled half of Europe, eliminated his main rivals in his West and East frontiers and got free of 20,000,000 potential inner enemies.

Japan and Germany shook off the burden of their militaristic pasts to become the economic and industrial leaders of Europe and Asia, respectively.


Now the losers:

The USA became slaves of their own monstrous industry and took the undesirable role of 'world arbiter' they never really wanted.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif I am an American and I agree.

Oleg was the true winner. He got babes on each arm.

neural_dream
09-02-2007, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Stalin, Germany and Japan won the war:

Stalin became the leader of a world power, annexed half of Poland and part of Finland, controlled half of Europe, eliminated his main rivals in his West and East frontiers and got free of 20,000,000 potential inner enemies.

Japan and Germany shook off the burden of their militaristic pasts to become the economic and industrial leaders of Europe and Asia, respectively.


Now the losers:

The USA became slaves of their own monstrous industry and took the undesirable role of 'world arbiter' they never really wanted, UK and France lost their colonial empires and most of their past relevance, and the Eastern Europe countries became puppets of the Soviet Union.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

WN_Barbarossa
09-02-2007, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Stalin, Germany and Japan won the war:

Japan and Germany shook off the burden of their militaristic pasts to become the economic and industrial leaders of Europe and Asia, respectively.


Germany WAS the economic and industrial leader of Europe way before WW2. (with the exception of the '20s) And IMO every country had a more or less militaristic past - history is a row of wars - but shaking off this past isn't necessarly a good thing.

joeap
09-02-2007, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Korolov1986:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FPSOLKOR:
Without it UK and Russia would have won the war earlier. I recomend you to take a look at Ford and GM history (just a slight example).


Let's see, a few factories in Germany and France compared to the hundreds spread across the CONUS. Hmm... Yup, you're right, if the US held onto the isolationist policy, the war would have been over much faster. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come on FPSOLKOR, you're usually sharper than that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif An interesting and dark story to be sure but as Korolov points out, did you bother to see how many factories were actually working for each side. Also, do you really think this was official US government policy?? Just because of one industrialist with possible Nazi sympathies.