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FA_Whisky
09-24-2006, 11:39 PM
At the moment i've got a 6800le graphics card. What would be the best upgrade. Ik think the 7800GS for AGP is the fastest, but a second hand 6800ultra or X800XT are a lot cheaper.
And do you really need shader version 3?

FA_Whisky
09-24-2006, 11:39 PM
At the moment i've got a 6800le graphics card. What would be the best upgrade. Ik think the 7800GS for AGP is the fastest, but a second hand 6800ultra or X800XT are a lot cheaper.
And do you really need shader version 3?

fordfan25
09-24-2006, 11:46 PM
well if you plan to build a new rig anytime soon just keep the card you have. but if you need to upgrade now but still plan to build a new rig with in a year id go for a secound hand 6800 ultra or x800xt. but beware you dont know how hard a secound hand card has been run. and most people who pay the big bucks for those super high end cards are likely to belong to the OCing crowed.

as far as 3.0 shader goes.... not that big of a deal right now. plus i think when DX10 hits 3.0 will be a thing of the past anyway. i dont know how fast the 6800le card is but i will say i cant see spending the cash on a faster card that would be useless on my next build if my current card is near a 6600gt. just seems a waist of mony for so temparary a upgrade. but now if you plan to keep your current AGP based rig for say a year or two then maby it would be worth it. watch the 6800 ultras though thay are power hungry

FA_Whisky
09-25-2006, 01:09 AM
I think a stock 6600gt is a bit faster than a stock 6800le. I run my le at 375Mhz and 800Mhz so it might be a bit faster. But still, a 6800Ultra will be twice as fast i think.
I'm planning to upgrade my system to PCI when i know for sure i cannot play BOB with my AGP rig.

Sergio_101
09-25-2006, 03:32 AM
there is now a 7900gs AGP.

Any choice you listed is excellent.

If money is no object, get the 7900gs.

6800ULTRA is not twice as fast as a 6800LE.
It is about 1.7 X faster in 3D Mark 05.

Sergio

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-25-2006, 08:34 AM
3 good choices:

1. 7800GS

2. 6800Ultra

3. X850XT

All three would offer considerable performance improvements and should be a decent upgrade for another year or so.


TB

panther3485
09-25-2006, 09:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TgD Thunderbolt56:
3 good choices:
1. 7800GS
2. 6800Ultra
3. X850XT
All three would offer considerable performance improvements and should be a decent upgrade for another year or so.
TB </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Currently running 6800GT. Would a 7800GS be a significant improvement? And how does the 7600GT stack up, in your opinion?

Xiolablu3
09-25-2006, 12:24 PM
7600GT is slower than the 6800GT if I remember correctly.

I wouldnt bother getting a 6800Ultra if you already have a 6800LE. Its the same architecture except a faster clockspeed.

6800LE is a great card even now. I would wait until you can afford the very best AGP card, such as the 7800GS before you upgrade the 6800LE, purely to make the upgrade worthwhile.

Wait unitl they come down in price a bit then snap one up. Are you selling your 6800LE and are you in the UK?

Sergio_101
09-25-2006, 03:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
7600GT is slower than the 6800GT if I remember correctly.

I wouldnt bother getting a 6800Ultra if you already have a 6800LE. Its the same architecture except a faster clockspeed.

6800LE is a great card even now. I would wait until you can afford the very best AGP card, such as the 7800GS before you upgrade the 6800LE, purely to make the upgrade worthwhile.

Wait unitl they come down in price a bit then snap one up. Are you selling your 6800LE and are you in the UK? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I got to disagre, having owned all the above
I can say the 6800ULTRA is a whole lot faster
than a 6800LE.
3D mark 03 numbers were 13,000 for the Ultra
and 7,700 for the 6800LE.
10,700 for the 6800GT.

7800GS and 7900GS are faster if your rig can keep them happy.

If you had a 6800GT and wanted an Ultra, I
might argue against it.
But the Ultra is that much faster than the LE.

As to the X850XT vs a 6800ULTRA, it's a dead heat.
But cooling is better on the Ultra.

Sergio

Xiolablu3
09-25-2006, 04:03 PM
I understand that 3D mark scores may be much higher, but what about real world game performance?

Did you see much difference there?

Sergio_101
09-25-2006, 04:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
I understand that 3D mark scores may be much higher, but what about real world game performance?

Did you see much difference there? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

In my case the 6800Ultra had no problems running
1600x1200 "perfect".

The 6800LE ran 1600x1200 perfect, but it was
a bit choppy at times.

Yes, in this sim there was a real difference.
But amazingly in DOOM3 there seemed to be little difference.
But even there, when the shooting started the 6800ULTRA was notacibly less laggy.

Sergio

El Turo
09-25-2006, 04:56 PM
Running my ole BFG-6800gt has me at 8x AA and a notch under max resolution (don't recall the setting off the top of my head).. and I get little to no stutters at any time running perfect. Even when on 8x time lapse for those long cross-countries, it runs at a high rate of FPS.. nearly glass-smooth. I could probably max out my resolution/graphics a bit more, but I'm happy with the eye candy I've got and I always figure, it if ain't broke.. don't fix it.

Personally, I'm going to wait until BoB comes out before I make any new hardware purchases.

edit: Running 3800 dual core AMD with 2 gigs Corsair low-latency RAM, for comparatives and whatnot.

(also.. if anyone is running the AMD dual core setup and hasn't gotten the windows patch for "old" games.. DO IT.. improved my FPS and stability/stutters by such leaps and bounds, I can't even really quantify it.)

panther3485
09-25-2006, 07:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FA_Whisky:
At the moment i've got a 6800le graphics card. What would be the best upgrade. Ik think the 7800GS for AGP is the fastest, but a second hand 6800ultra or X800XT are a lot cheaper.
And do you really need shader version 3? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Apologies for 'jumping in' there, FA_Whisky, but your question seemed so similar to mine....

My present rig is 3.4 GHz 800 FSB, Intel D875PBZ Mobo (AGP 8X) with 2 Gig DDR400 RAM.

Considering my current graphics card is 6800GT, is there any upgrade that would give a worthwhile performance improvement? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif Even though I will be building a new rig soon, with PCIE Mobo, I'm keeping this one for my son and would like to extend its useful 'gaming life' as much as possible.

Any input would be appreciated.

(P.S. - hope you got the answer you were after, FA_Whisky. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Best regards to all, http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
panther3485

R_Target
09-25-2006, 07:52 PM
The 6800le has 1/2 the RAM and half the pixel pipelines of a 6800GT.So a GT/Ultra or X850XT would be a big step up from 6800le. 6800 to 7800 is a decent step up, but 6800 to 7900 is almost double performance in my experience.

panther3485
09-25-2006, 08:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
The 6800le has 1/2 the RAM and half the pixel pipelines of a 6800GT.So a GT/Ultra or X850XT would be a big step up from 6800le. 6800 to 7800 is a decent step up, but 6800 to 7900 is almost double performance in my experience. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So in my case, if I went for a 7900GS, do you think my rig will be able to take advantage of the difference, or would I be better off with a 7800 or even a 7600GT? Or stay with the 6800GT?

R_Target
09-25-2006, 09:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by panther3485:
So in my case, if I went for a 7900GS, do you think my rig will be able to take advantage of the difference, or would I be better off with a 7800 or even a 7600GT? Or stay with the 6800GT? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you'd see a real improvement. When I had my overclocked P4(2.4Ghz at 3.5) and 9800Pro, adding the 6800GT gave me a huge performance increase (almost double). When I switched out the P4 for AMD64, the performance gain was not nearly as great. Then when I traded out the 6800GT for the 7900GT, massive performance jump again.

To me, the real benefit of a high-end card is not necessarily getting 1,000,000 fps, but being able to play at hi-res with perfect landscape detail and high AA and AF with v-sync on. So my max fps in IL2 hasn't increased that much over the years, but it looks a hell of a lot better. If I get 45+ avg.fps in Black Death, I'm good to go.

panther3485
09-25-2006, 11:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by R_Target:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by panther3485:
So in my case, if I went for a 7900GS, do you think my rig will be able to take advantage of the difference, or would I be better off with a 7800 or even a 7600GT? Or stay with the 6800GT? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you'd see a real improvement. When I had my overclocked P4(2.4Ghz at 3.5) and 9800Pro, adding the 6800GT gave me a huge performance increase (almost double). When I switched out the P4 for AMD64, the performance gain was not nearly as great. Then when I traded out the 6800GT for the 7900GT, massive performance jump again.

To me, the real benefit of a high-end card is not necessarily getting 1,000,000 fps, but being able to play at hi-res with perfect landscape detail and high AA and AF with v-sync on. So my max fps in IL2 hasn't increased that much over the years, but it looks a hell of a lot better. If I get 45+ avg.fps in Black Death, I'm good to go. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Looks like I might be hunting for a 7900GS then. I've tried a few local dealers and some of them haven't even heard of an AGP8X 7900GS, much less have one in stock. Must be pretty darn new, I reckon! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

FA_Whisky
09-28-2006, 12:28 PM
Just for the info:
Can get a
7800 for about 260eur news
X850XT for about 225eur new
6800gs/ultra for 100-150eur secondhand.

Never heard of a 7900AGP. If the are there they must be very very expensive compared to the PCIe version or the 7800GS.
I run my le at 375Mhz-825Mhz and 8*6. So i'm getting a little extra out of it.

Monty_Thrud
09-28-2006, 12:37 PM
I'd go for the X850XT then.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-28-2006, 05:28 PM
7900GS is the fastest AGP card available and would be a nice performance increase over the 6800GT, especially if you don't overclock. To fuel the faster card, though, you may want to boost your CPU as well.

Feed the hounds and watch them go...


TB

p1ngu666
09-28-2006, 05:42 PM
when i had a quick poke around www.overclockers.co.uk (http://www.overclockers.co.uk) it was cheaper or atleast not much more to buy a resonable new mobo, and a pci-e card, rather than a another agp card http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

R_Target
09-28-2006, 05:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by p1ngu666:
when i had a quick poke around www.overclockers.co.uk (http://www.overclockers.co.uk) it was cheaper or atleast not much more to buy a resonable new mobo, and a pci-e card, rather than a another agp card http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that's the other option, and what I did. For people still on the P4, it's a problem though. Unless somebody made a s478 PCI-e board.

FA_Whisky
10-02-2006, 02:56 PM
Head that there is a 7600GT that is faster or just as fast as a 7800gs for AGP.