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EmperorxZurg
08-27-2009, 11:10 PM
anything military since this derived from the new AC2 gun, but no swearing or any of that nasty stuff, we're here for blood!

has anyone used a L96 arctic warfare before? I saw a spec that they're supposed to have more range than average snipers.

EmperorxZurg
08-27-2009, 11:10 PM
anything military since this derived from the new AC2 gun, but no swearing or any of that nasty stuff, we're here for blood!

has anyone used a L96 arctic warfare before? I saw a spec that they're supposed to have more range than average snipers.

Xanatos2007
08-27-2009, 11:39 PM
All the AI (Accuracy International) sniper rifles tend to have longer barrels than other firearms, giving them greater range and accuracy. I don't see why more countries don't use them already. They also have fluted barrels... I'm not sure if that helps in achieving accuracy, but it does dissipate heat faster.

To get this thread up & running, let's start by settling this debate once and for all: AK-47 (and its variants) or AR-15 (and its variants)?

AK-47: - Cheaper
- Legendary reliability
- Shorter
- More powerful (original 7.62x39mm)
- Easier to come by

AR-15: - More accurate
- Greater effective range
- Smaller bullet = More ammo
- Higher modularity
- Lighter weight
- Less recoil
- Clearer sight picture

These comparisons are between their original models, modern variants are vastly improved (more modularity, accuracy, caliber changes, relability upgrades, etc).

I agree that an AR-15/M16/M4 is better in some cases, but in general I'd have to go with a Kalashnikov. It has a longer and better service length, the AR-15 had a pretty poor start... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif (massive reliability problems in Vietnam)

Danvish
08-28-2009, 03:19 AM
Well, I can tell you as a soldier what I want in my weapon:

I want him to be as lighter as possible, as accurate as possible and the ultimate thing : reliable as possible. What I do like in the M4 that it can operates in almost every terrain. I used it in the sea the air and the land (desert and snow) and thought it does jam from time to time, all in all, is a good weapon.

Xanatos2007
08-28-2009, 06:37 AM
Does it require "frequent cleaning" as I keep hearing, and if so how "frequently"? I know that the AK... you don't even need a proper cleaning kit for it, IF you have to clean it that is. Some fighters in <can't remember where> would just tie knots in their shoelaces, dip them in motor oil and yank it through their AK barrels a couple of times and that was clean enough.

I see what you mean though; if you're a soldier who's stationed in a camp, an M4 would be a good choice. If you're a soldier out on a lengthy operation in harsh terrain (such as setting up an OP in the rainforest), I'd have to go with the most reliable gun can get my hands on. I know that the XM8 is extremely reliable when compared to the M4; in 2007 a reliability test was conducted between four rifles- the HK416, the FN SCAR, the HKXM8 and the M4 for comparison. Ten of each rifle would fire 60,000 rounds in an 'extreme dust environment'; the XM8 came first with 128 stoppages, the SCAR with 226, the 416 with 256 and the M4 with 882. I wish they threw an AK in there as well, but oh well. This is off the top of my head, sorry for any inaccuracies.

Danvish
08-28-2009, 10:08 AM
Well, the only problem with the M4 is truly the jammings. Since it has many small parts, it gets jam quite a lot if you don't take good care of it. A great underrated weapon is the Israely Galil weapon. Althought it's too heavy for long battles, that weapon simply CAN'T jam. It's made of 4 parts (it's simply amazing), and it keeps on shooting!

Charlie_Romeo
08-28-2009, 10:12 AM
What would you guys take into a battle but u didnt know anything about terrain ect? I know nuthing about guns other from CoD 4 lol. I'd Go
Desert eagle
and a AK - 47 im hearing gd things about it on here lol.

EmperorxZurg
08-28-2009, 10:17 AM
I would use a raging bull over a desert eagle, the desert eagle is good, but to me a raging bull or a magnum has more destructive power than a desert eagle

Account_Deleted
08-28-2009, 10:46 AM
But the raging bull is a type of revolver, which means more re loading time but unless you have that joint clips/ring, but wouldn't thoese give moe % of jams,

I would take a SCAR/XMX 8? or a barrett 50.cal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif
and a USP 3?

as liike CR said. i get these things from COD and other games... so..eh.. might not have correct name...

EmperorxZurg
08-28-2009, 11:25 AM
why a barret? there's a huge difference between a barret .50 cal and a SCAR, one's a sniper and ones small arms. but for the USP .3, I remember they tested i and it wouldn't even go through kevlar, the magnum would do it fine, plus if I run out of ammo, do I want to throw the light USP or the heavy magnum at someones head? lol, but then again I don't know much about guns besides an overall view of them, I'm more a tactician

revoltingbunny
08-28-2009, 12:13 PM
I'll take sticks and stones with an extended ammo clip and an aperture sight. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

davethepaveway
08-28-2009, 12:23 PM
personally with my experience like danvish light accurate and reliable the SA80A2(L85) is good for this. i prefer the clip behind the pistol grip it allows the weapon to be short but have a long barrel and its accurate to 600 meters in the hand of the british infantrymen. as for your l96 artic warfare look up the l115a3 thats got a little over a mile range. me and davish would agree that cleaning rifles is a pain in the backside especially when theres sooo many other things to do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif and after blank firing ex's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

thekyle0
08-28-2009, 12:39 PM
I forget, does the barret use a floating barrel?

davethepaveway
08-28-2009, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by thekyle0:
I forget, does the barret use a floating barrel? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
an awful lot of companies do but most likely not since that barrel weights a ton in barrel wieght

EmperorxZurg
08-28-2009, 06:40 PM
time for guess the specs! lol
try and see if u guys can list everything he has, like the gear and stuff. ENJOY!
PS u might have to click on the pic for a bigger one
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8040/0828091701.th.jpg (http://img200.imageshack.us/i/0828091701.jpg/)

Xanatos2007
08-28-2009, 08:09 PM
I would say... M4A2 with an RIS handguard and an M203 grenade launcher. I'm just wondering why he doesn't have a rear sight.

PS: 'Under-barrel grenade launchers' and 'rifle grenades' are totally different things, so try not to get the names confused.

Azugo
08-29-2009, 04:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charlie_Romeo:
What would you guys take into a battle but u didnt know anything about terrain ect? I know nuthing about guns other from CoD 4 lol. I'd Go
Desert eagle
and a AK - 47 im hearing gd things about it on here lol. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
For my main gun, I'd take the Galil.
Pistol; Probably a Glock.
Obviously a knife and a Kevlar. A canteen, and a first aid kit. Can't really think of much else...

FROGGEman2
08-29-2009, 04:23 AM
Well, all I know is that I don't need tah reload mah crowbar!

Well, a Portal Gun would actually be really nice... hmm... imagine if that was used in combat http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Xanatos2007
08-29-2009, 06:52 AM
For CQB I'd probably go with a P90; high-cap translucent mag, armour piercing, accurate, low recoil, compact, two-stage trigger and ambidextrous for shooting around corners. For a sidearm, either a Five-Seven (uses the same 5.7mm round as the P90, 20 round mag) or a Para Ordnance P18-9. And my trusty Smith & Wesson HRT9B, best bit of kit I own.

There are other options out there, but in a general CQB situation (not knowing how long I'll be there, the terrain, the enemy, etc) that'd be my loadout if i had the option.

Charlie_Romeo
08-29-2009, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
For CQB I'd probably go with a P90; high-cap translucent mag, armour piercing, accurate, low recoil, compact, two-stage trigger and ambidextrous for shooting around corners. For a sidearm, either a Five-Seven (uses the same 5.7mm round as the P90, 20 round mag) or a Para Ordnance P18-9. And my trusty Smith & Wesson HRT9B, best bit of kit I own.

There are other options out there, but in a general CQB situation (not knowing how long I'll be there, the terrain, the enemy, etc) that'd be my loadout if i had the option. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That good, thats good, next time try to be more spacific http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Xanatos2007
08-29-2009, 07:06 AM
You mean 'specific'? What would be your loadout then, if you got to choose?

Charlie_Romeo
08-29-2009, 07:13 AM
i was only joking lol seemed to be the most in depth 1 so far as every1 else pretty much just said a gun none of the other stuff. Didnt mean for it to be offensive.
As i said before i know nothing about guns or anyhting like that except what i learned from Cod4, Fromt that game i would go with an M4 with red dot sight, Deagle, and oviuosly a knife. I would be killed im sure

Xanatos2007
08-29-2009, 07:27 AM
COD4 is a decent game, just finished the Arcade mode again. The M4 and knife seem like decent choices, but I'm still confused as to why everyone loves the Desert Eagle. It's massive, heavy, has a low-cap mag, has recoil worse than a Scottish mule on steroids and Jesus, talk about overkill!

And if you think my previous post was detailed, you should read the short story I had to do for English (if I can find it...).

Charlie_Romeo
08-29-2009, 07:44 AM
i would like to read your story, i like the deagle cause well look at it its beautiful and sounds so powerful, just an awesoome way to kill some1 lol. The M9 is so boring and lack luster when u shoot it like the other pistols

Azugo
08-30-2009, 03:35 AM
I'm not a fan of the Deagle. :l

Xanatos, I totally agree with your choices!

Danvish
08-30-2009, 11:57 AM
Desert Eagle - big gun for people with small "hidden blade".

That pistol is one of the most terrible ones out there. Best handgun is manafactured by Smith & Wouson, thought they are very expensive and not combat suited.

The Barrete M9 is a ****. The Glock is not a bad pistol. The Israeli army uses Jericho, which is quite nice, but badass recoil and it's hard to load it. My fav one thought, is the Colt A1 1911. Excellent safety and recoil.

Azugo, you can't go into battle with the Galil.
It weights around the 5.5 kg for the long version, and 3.5 KG for the short version, way too heavy for an assault rifle for urban terrain.

I still like the M4, it has many cons, but it gets the job done. And let me tell you something, all the times I've fought, I've never used a knife... that's only in the movies, in real life, you prefer bullets.

@Dave, cleaning your rifle after firing range= http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Xanatos2007
08-30-2009, 02:08 PM
You still havn't answered my question: how frequently do you have to clean an M4?

alkarnur
08-30-2009, 04:41 PM
Personally, I'd go for for an M4/Glock 18/Hobbit Warrior set.

The M4 is imo the optimal traditional configuration assault rifle. The only advantage it has over bullpup config rifles is a bit more ambidexterity. If you're fellow soldier fell in battle and he's right-handed, you'd take his rifle (supposing yours jamed for example) and start shooting right away. Whereas not all bullpup rifles have support for left-handed people and the slug would be ejected onto the firer's face. The Steyr AUG (a good rifle) has a part that you switch so that the empty shells are ejected to the left and away from a left-handed person's face. Still, in a combat situation seconds can mean the difference between life and death.

The Glock 18 is the optimal pistol: full-auto capability, 9mm rounds, compact, plastic, light, reliable, many magazine sizes...
A 9mm round may not have the stopping power of a .50 (e.g. Desert Eagle, which by the way is too big and heavy for a sidearm) but neither does it have the recoil: more accuracy. Plus, the glock has larger magazines (and 9mm pistols mags in general house more) and if necessary auto capability.

The Hobbit Warrior is very well designed and manufactured reserve-grip style combat knife. I haven't been able to get one though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif It's also very compact.

thekyle0
08-30-2009, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alkarnur:
a bit more ambidexterity. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Ambidextrous http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif. I know little of firearms, but grammar is my temple. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Charlie_Romeo
08-31-2009, 03:19 AM
for some reason nearly all of my friends and myself have heard that a glock will get jammed and break me and myy sis have a joke about it everytime we hear it mentioned.
Is it a myth that it is not very powerful and will break???

Xanatos2007
08-31-2009, 05:16 AM
I don't know much about the Glock, but I think the reason it's popular is the same as an AK; it's cheap, easy to get a hold of, easy to use and ammunition is in plentiful supply (heck, you can buy 9mm Parrabellum(sp?) rounds at Kmart in the US). Apparently they're reliable, but I'm not sure. I don't plan on getting one anyway.

Charlie_Romeo
08-31-2009, 05:39 AM
rely liked ur story X. Is there a follow up??

I've never fired a gun in my life and while it might be "fun" to some people im dont think id like it, id rather fight with my hands lol

Xanatos2007
08-31-2009, 11:43 PM
The forums are working again! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifAlthough I think it's only temporary... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Glad you liked it and there's no follow-up (yet). Has anyone here ever fired a G36 or an SL8 (civilian version)? It looks like a really good rifle, but I've never heard any field reports about it. Apparently it's only "used by a handful of countries that never actually shoot people".

Charlie_Romeo
09-02-2009, 05:20 AM
i need to know what happen tho X, i need to know!
Nope i aint fired 1 of those not even in a game (which is the only place i would fire a gun)

davethepaveway
09-02-2009, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:

@Dave, cleaning your rifle after firing range= http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha as for the guy talking about weapon cleaning its as often as you can and is a time burner when your bored but when you get back to a harbour after youve had scoff and bivvied up and in the mornings or before your going on patrol.

Danvish
09-02-2009, 12:13 PM
Xana@ usually in the mornings when there's a formation (not sure if that's the correct word, and it's when everyone stands tip top and all gotta be tidy), before missions, after missions, before practice shooting (one each 2 days) after practice shooting and so on...

Glock is a nice weapon, I'm not sure where you heard it will break down if you use it, but it can sustain quite a lot, problem with it - it's just not comftable shooting it. Same with the AK. The human engineering is simply bad.

@CR - I wish I never had to use a weapon http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Xana@ I used a G36 when we did some combined excerices with the German special forces. Personaly I dislike it much, the handling is just not that comftable, though it's accruate as hell, won't jam a lot and has a quick fire power. Another disadvantage - it's heavy.

davethepaveway
09-02-2009, 12:19 PM
dan have you used our british sa80 i would like to hear an foreign opinion on it because we brits thinks its the best

and why have they stolen my picture first they take my sig now my picture what next... my dignity .... my life .... my xbox!

thekyle0
09-02-2009, 12:24 PM
Make sure that the check box is activated for the sig. Mine keeps turning off but as long as I remember to check it I have a sig.

Danvish
09-02-2009, 12:50 PM
Dave@ Nope not yet. How good is it? Have you tried using other weapons?

Ezio_475
09-02-2009, 01:24 PM
I would have

MP5K and USP .45

And obviously a knife http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

davethepaveway
09-02-2009, 03:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:
Dave@ Nope not yet. How good is it? Have you tried using other weapons? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i'd want to mate but im just line infantry mate and as for the sa80 extremly accurate with susats you can get a good 600m but the light support weapon can reach 800m - 1000m there 5kg with a 30 round mag and scope attached. like m4's have to clean them whenever you can but they do a great joband suprisingly comfortable to carry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

alkarnur
09-02-2009, 04:05 PM
A pic of the M4 my uncle got me for my birthday. He fought in Iraq with the Americans, he had a VIP protection company.
http://i46.photobucket.com/alb...karnur/SPM_A0039.jpg (http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f112/Elenalkarnur/SPM_A0039.jpg)
I go to the shooting range from time to time, but not so often these days http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif boatload of work. Too bad I can't shoot real stuff with it, or at least hunt large animals. damn boars don't die from bullets, they need specialized shotgun ammo.

Azugo
09-02-2009, 08:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:

Azugo, you can't go into battle with the Galil.
It weights around the 5.5 kg for the long version, and 3.5 KG for the short version, way too heavy for an assault rifle for urban terrain.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

True, but we don't know the terrain.

Xanatos2007
09-03-2009, 12:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davethepaveway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:
Dave@ Nope not yet. How good is it? Have you tried using other weapons? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
i'd want to mate but im just line infantry mate and as for the sa80 extremly accurate with susats you can get a good 600m but the light support weapon can reach 800m - 1000m there 5kg with a 30 round mag and scope attached. like m4's have to clean them whenever you can but they do a great joband suprisingly comfortable to carry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Is the SUSAT any good? I've heard it's difficult to aim with when compared to other sights (such as the G36 or FN F2000/P90 night sight). Mind you that's coming from people who're not trained with the SA-80.

Speaking of which, what do you guys think of the F2000? It's a bullpup 5.56x45mm NATO rifle with a forward ejection port, making it ambidexterous. It looks kinda chunky, but apparently it's surprisingly light and has low recoil.

Danvish
09-03-2009, 01:27 PM
Never tried the F2000.

But any weapon that is supposed to be an assault rifle and weights more than 3.5 KG - not a good one in my opinion.

davethepaveway
09-03-2009, 04:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:
Never tried the F2000.

But any weapon that is supposed to be an assault rifle and weights more than 3.5 KG - not a good one in my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
believe me mate rifles i use are 5 kg and its an assault rifle it works like a charm and you get used to the wieght dont supose you've done long tabs with the GPMG that would make you feel happy to have the sa80 or so im told http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Xanatos2007
09-03-2009, 04:56 PM
Doesn't the British military use the FN Minimi as their SAW? I thought the 'Gimpie' was for mounting on vehicles and fortified positions.

Danvish
09-05-2009, 12:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davethepaveway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:
Never tried the F2000.

But any weapon that is supposed to be an assault rifle and weights more than 3.5 KG - not a good one in my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
believe me mate rifles i use are 5 kg and its an assault rifle it works like a charm and you get used to the wieght dont supose you've done long tabs with the GPMG that would make you feel happy to have the sa80 or so im told http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a big difference between a SAW and an Assault Rifle and you know it.

The SAW guy doesn't carry all the eq we do.

Myrkah
09-06-2009, 12:15 AM
A Rail gun mounted a Jeep. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
Duh. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Xanatos2007
09-06-2009, 12:27 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Jaridz
09-06-2009, 12:30 AM
Im ex australian army due to an injury i received on a training exercise. We use the f88 austeyr atm as our regular rifle. 5.56mm round, weighs approx 5kg fully loaded or we use the f89 minimi. same sized round but weighs 7.5kg when loaded with a full clip. but i much prfer a knife. much quieter, and gives more satisfaction cos ur close enough to see the person breathe their last. but then, i have been called a sadist many times, so perhaps that explains alot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Xanatos2007
09-06-2009, 12:53 AM
I noticed that from your sig... wanna get together sometime? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

We had a member who just recently left on a military assignment by order of the Israeli SF (Danvish) who also sustained a leg injury. I'm guessing you're his replacement. The AUG looks like a pretty decent assault rifle, although I prefer my S&WHRT9B as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

PS: How difficult is it to join the SASR?

Jaridz
09-06-2009, 09:31 PM
haha. so long as u dont get in the way of my plans for world domination.....

its very hard to get into the SASR

Xanatos2007
09-06-2009, 11:32 PM
That doesn't help... I know what's involved in passing selection for the British SAS and it doesn't look that tough. And things regular people classify as 'hard' I usually brush off with minimal effort.

And I'm very modest. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

davethepaveway
09-07-2009, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davethepaveway:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Danvish:
Never tried the F2000.

But any weapon that is supposed to be an assault rifle and weights more than 3.5 KG - not a good one in my opinion. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
believe me mate rifles i use are 5 kg and its an assault rifle it works like a charm and you get used to the wieght dont supose you've done long tabs with the GPMG that would make you feel happy to have the sa80 or so im told http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's a big difference between a SAW and an Assault Rifle and you know it.

The SAW guy doesn't carry all the eq we do. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

in the british army the SAW guy carry's all his own **** too mate

Xanatos2007
09-07-2009, 08:08 PM
I don't think the weight of the rifle really matters that much. If you're TABing with 24kg on your back plus webbing an extra kilo isn't going to make much difference. The quality of the rifle is, however.

Jaridz
09-07-2009, 10:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
That doesn't help... I know what's involved in passing selection for the British SAS and it doesn't look that tough. And things regular people classify as 'hard' I usually brush off with minimal effort.

And I'm very modest. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol. all i know is, u have 2 be able to swim 5km fully clothed with boots on carrying ur rifle. at least, thats what i was told by my section commander. and u have to have a grping score of no more than 50mm

EmperorxZurg
09-07-2009, 10:21 PM
50? darn I can only do 49.99999 lol

Jaridz
09-07-2009, 10:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
50? darn I can only do 49.99999 lol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol. do u kno what a grping score is?

EmperorxZurg
09-07-2009, 10:31 PM
ya I'm just joking about how tight they're parameters of letting someone in are

Jaridz
09-07-2009, 10:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
ya I'm just joking about how tight they're parameters of letting someone in are </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

lol. if ur accurate it saves money and time. they alrdy getting paid a motser just to be in the SAS, so the government have to make cutbacks where they can, so they make sure u use ur ammo without wasting rounds

Xanatos2007
09-07-2009, 10:47 PM
50mm grouping at what range? And with what rifle? I know that about a third of SASR troops are qualified snipers.

Jaridz
09-07-2009, 10:58 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
50mm grouping at what range? And with what rifle? I know that about a third of SASR troops are qualified snipers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, to be accepted into the sas, u hav to use the austeyr first, and 50mm at 100m, and i think 80mm at 400m

Xanatos2007
09-08-2009, 03:46 AM
Pfft, I can do that.http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/waffen/violent-smiley-043.gif

Account_Deleted
09-08-2009, 04:07 AM
i think the austeyr werid look especcialy the 41.
43 would look better.

Is it classifiled no what the australian snipers use Xana?

Xanatos2007
09-08-2009, 04:15 AM
They use the AI Arctic Warfare (designated the SR-98), the SR-25 as a DMR (basically an M16/M4 in 7.62mm & a longer barrel) and the AW50F (for anti-material purposes).

davethepaveway
09-08-2009, 10:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaridz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
50mm grouping at what range? And with what rifle? I know that about a third of SASR troops are qualified snipers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

well, to be accepted into the sas, u hav to use the austeyr first, and 50mm at 100m, and i think 80mm at 400m </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

wooooh woooh sounds like aussie SAS mate not british with that rifle bud try sa80 and m16 and its not the entry into thats hard its the training. always !

Azugo
09-08-2009, 10:37 AM
(Off-topic) Dave, you're an Aussie? Like myself. What're you doin' up so late? 2:06AM in South Australia.

davethepaveway
09-08-2009, 11:39 AM
no mate im british and part of her majesty's forces... we never sleep http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif.

Azugo
09-08-2009, 11:45 AM
Oh alright. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
Just thought you were Aussie cause you always say mate.

Jaridz
09-08-2009, 09:12 PM
haha dave. i was talking bout aussie sas mate. we better than the brits anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

EmperorxZurg
09-08-2009, 09:16 PM
ooo, a "which service is better war" anyone want popcorn for this?

Jaridz
09-08-2009, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
ooo, a "which service is better war" anyone want popcorn for this? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha. u ask any1. the aussie sas is 1 of the most respected and feared forces on earth. respected more than US marines. no offense to any americans, but its true.

EmperorxZurg
09-08-2009, 09:27 PM
to what they do, I'm sorry for bringing this up again, but everyone has ONE special thing they do, like Danvish even said, in open warfare, the Special Forces he was training with sucked, but when it came to covert ops, they blew him out of the water, the US marines are better at amphibous assault than you, but ur probably better at infiltration than them, no one is best at everything

Azugo
09-08-2009, 09:39 PM
Jaridz wasn't talking about who's better. The word was respected.
Jaridz, when you say Aussie SAS, just say SASR. (Special Air Services Regiment.)

Aussie, Aussie, Aussie! XD

EmperorxZurg
09-08-2009, 09:48 PM
he said feared after it

Azugo
09-08-2009, 09:56 PM
Feared for the Terrorists.

EmperorxZurg
09-08-2009, 10:10 PM
see, he didn't specify. it could have meant anyone in my opinion. But my bad, continue on with the show of awesomeness

Jaridz
09-08-2009, 11:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by d1sturbedme_468:
see, he didn't specify. it could have meant anyone in my opinion. But my bad, continue on with the show of awesomeness </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

haha. im just a lil patriotic mate. but we are feared by those who should fear us. enemies of the free world so to say

EmperorxZurg
09-08-2009, 11:39 PM
and the marines are feared by others, we are all fearedhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Xanatos2007
09-08-2009, 11:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaridz:
haha. u ask any1. the aussie sas is 1 of the most respected and feared forces on earth. respected more than US marines. no offense to any americans, but its true. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
The Aussie who?

Kidding, they sound alright.

davethepaveway
09-09-2009, 08:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaridz:
haha dave. i was talking bout aussie sas mate. we better than the brits anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
since the proper SAS aka the british special forces trained your ASAS and US delta force and a number of european countries and have one of the hardest training programmes in the world rarely do blank fire exercices have had more sucessful victories in the last 10 years than the whole of frances military history ... i beg to differ

blarson11
09-10-2009, 01:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davethepaveway:
...have had more sucessful victories in the last 10 years than the whole of frances military history ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that part made me lol.

im just gonna throw somethin out there... US Navy SEAL's...

Xanatos2007
09-10-2009, 01:31 AM
SAS is still better. Simple as that. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Account_Deleted
09-10-2009, 01:39 AM
SAS +1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

wait.. even better then SWAT and/or TRG?

Xanatos2007
09-10-2009, 02:15 AM
WAY better, SWAT are just police with bigger guns.

davethepaveway
09-11-2009, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by blarson11:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by davethepaveway:
...have had more sucessful victories in the last 10 years than the whole of frances military history ... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

that part made me lol.

im just gonna throw somethin out there... US Navy SEAL's... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

back in 1990's my mate's brother went to do some training against the 'seals' and even outnumbered 4:1 the british team of 50 line infantry did capture a few platoons of your men with no casualties. only problem of that excersice is there were too many seals so you could really get stealthy enough to do anything substantial

blarson11
09-11-2009, 12:21 PM
i was lied too.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Account_Deleted
09-12-2009, 12:41 AM
Hey anyone ever wonder how the millitary hasn't came up with the idea such as the ODST..
i mena like paratroopers
but in metal pods that are ballistic proof. and heat resistent..

i know it would cost heaps but it could save alot of lifes when you really think about it..

Deploying tin cans in the middle of a heavly fortide place with Anti wepons http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Xanatos2007
09-12-2009, 01:38 AM
Doesn't sound very efficient yet, the whole point of an air insertion is silence. A big hunk of metal dropping out of the sky is going to generate a lot of noise.

Anyway, has anyone seen the new Bushmaster ACR? Knocks the AK & M16 right out of the park. It's got bits 'n' pieces from a bunch of different rifles (mainly the FN SCAR) and very high modularity.

Account_Deleted
09-12-2009, 07:31 AM
Bushmaster..
isn't that australian made?

edit:
well think again..
when someone parashoots in they're exposing their parachute. but that's if it's a secret op mission..

When i think of PT's i think of flanking and fast moving infantry unit.

So if your forces where pinned down. you could drop men in pod from Boa-ing's; fast as possible.. no need to find a safe landing since the pod would take most of the landing damge..

Xanatos2007
09-12-2009, 07:34 AM
No, US (not surprisingly) named after the snake. It's a good rifle though; rugged and reliable, easily field-stripped and maintained, highly modular (several different barrel lengths, caliber changes, Picatinny rails, collapsible AND folding stock) lightweight, ambidexterous, and a bunch of other stuff I can't recall accurately.

Account_Deleted
09-12-2009, 07:42 AM
really?
well i think the ADF is using it alot insted of it's previouse vehicle (sp?)

Xanatos2007
09-12-2009, 07:58 AM
The ACR is a rifle, not a vehicle. And troops on black ops normally perform HALO insertions under cover of darkness, eliminating any chance of getting spotted. And if a squad or platoon is pinned down and needs reinforcements that's when helicopters are sent in with backup. I think the 'pod-drop' method would be useful for deploying supplies.

Account_Deleted
09-12-2009, 08:16 AM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
the Bushmaster ACR
i just read the Bush master part, and i reconizged (sp?) it as a vehicle.
when i looked at it seemed like the FN SCAR at first.
seems alright..

and about the PT thing.
i just had a thought about what if they deploy in shipment containers. you could fit a squad or two in one of them as a drop..
just deploy cusioning inside and parachutes on the out side http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.
and make sure you can open the door from the inside..

only con about it is that there would be only 1 or 2 entrance and exit which means more ambush and trapment..
unless it's like a vessle pod that drops and burst out all enrtance at once..

EmperorxZurg
09-12-2009, 12:08 PM
imagine the speed you would be dropped at A_D. The boeing would drop you around 2,000 ft, I'm pretty sure, the metal container with the mass and gravity would add your speed up to around 300+ mph and even with cushioning you would be lucky to survive that, that's where the fiction came in for HALO. and even if u survived, the pod would bury it self so deep at that speed, the only door would have to be on top and then by the time u get the lid off and climb out and take all ur gear out, the enemy would be surrounding u and u can kiss ur life goodbye

Xanatos2007
09-12-2009, 06:19 PM
Unless they fill the pods with suicide bombers I don't see how they can be used to transport personelle.

Account_Deleted
09-13-2009, 02:29 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif
there's something about you and exploaiona isn't there?

Xanatos2007
09-24-2009, 12:23 AM
Aren't soldiers nice? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCKOa2KLRmk&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div)