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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 09:56 PM
First impression:

Not impressed by the FM in general.
Force feedback seems not to work.
Ground detail is great.





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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 09:56 PM
First impression:

Not impressed by the FM in general.
Force feedback seems not to work.
Ground detail is great.





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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 10:14 PM
Playmates don't impress me.

Not impressed by FM (fat m***ns) in general.
Joystick seems not to work. 3D glasses, neither.
Skin detail is great.

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 10:30 PM
Yeah not to impressed my self to many buttons to have to hit before ya can fire anything



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Rew_
09-27-2003, 10:42 PM
Uhh, how do you fire your weapons?

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 10:44 PM
Rew_ wrote:
- Uhh, how do you fire your weapons?
-
-

C is for changing weapon and D for canon,
but does not work for the MIG.

I could not fire a missile with the MIG.

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Rew_
09-27-2003, 10:45 PM
I tried that in the A-10. No luck. Do you have to acquire a target first? If so, how do you do that?

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 10:54 PM
Its easy really. You need to lock the target up in the Mirage/Mig mission. Switch radar modes with the number keys and hit TAB to track, then let rip with your missiles. In the A10 mission use C and D to change weapons (rockeyes, cannon and rockets), your first target will be locked for you. Hit the ` key (to the left of 1) to switch targets.

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 11:02 PM
Same feelings here.

One thing cinched it for me: the config lets you assign a Cobra-key just like Flanker.

Yet another arcade game with a ******** scripted FM.

XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 11:29 PM
I have to agree in principle. Jets suck...and there is little if any real input required from the "jockey". The new technology may be great for those in combat, but methinks that any real "air war" will be carried out by helios from now on. Speed is wonderful, but there comes a point in combat when it is a true disadvantage. Please...no flames...I respect anyone who staps on a rocket and rides it, but regret that the era of air to air combat is over and it has been reduced to the realm of "electronic warfare". This works, and very well, as long as there is some source of power, but in the end, war will still distill to one on one and technology cannot undo that. We will be fightening with sticks and stones until the earth is no more. Just my meagre thoughts, even if they have no real worth.
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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 11:33 PM
LOL I dont know why any of you are waiting for LOMAC. I get the feeling from reading some of these posts that alot of you are here just to complain and take out your daily frustrations in cyber-space.

I didnt quote the guy's post from further up but it was something to the effect of: "how do you shoot, this game is too hard and stuff" LMFAO!! That is a classic and he should be enshrined in the idiots hall of shame...'be sure'

Some of you kids need to go back to where you came from, playing Half-Life and Ureal Tourney. Surely you were drawn to FB and LOMAC because of the graphics and have found that flight simulators are difficult to learn and even more difficult to master for the mouse clicking Diablo maniacs..."Dude they require lots of buttons and stuff, this is too hard screw this BS, the FM is porked" Go play Marios Party and leave this forum alone. Oh yea and the 135mb LOMAC file you downloaded is a demo if you didnt know. D-E-M-O

Rew_
09-27-2003, 11:50 PM
MackTheGovnah22 wrote:
- LOL I dont know why any of you are waiting for
- LOMAC. I get the feeling from reading some of these
- posts that alot of you are here just to complain and
- take out your daily frustrations in cyber-space.
-
- I didnt quote the guy's post from further up but it
- was something to the effect of: "how do you shoot,
- this game is too hard and stuff" LMFAO!! That is a
- classic and he should be enshrined in the idiots
- hall of shame...'be sure'
-
- Some of you kids need to go back to where you came
- from, playing Half-Life and Ureal Tourney. Surely
- you were drawn to FB and LOMAC because of the
- graphics and have found that flight simulators are
- difficult to learn and even more difficult to master
- for the mouse clicking Diablo maniacs..."Dude they
- require lots of buttons and stuff, this is too hard
- screw this BS, the FM is porked" Go play Marios
- Party and leave this forum alone. Oh yea and the
- 135mb LOMAC file you downloaded is a demo if you
- didnt know. D-E-M-O
-
-

........................

I was wondering how to fire so I asked. Didn't know you had to setup yourself in ground-to-air/air-to-air mode. Dickface. I think you need to take YOUR daily frustrations elsewhere, jesus christ.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 12:10 AM
Anyone wanna provide a profile for a Logitech Wingman Force 3d?

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 12:11 AM
The game does not allow you to fire a missile if its not locked on to anything. Even the sidewinder, it doesn't let you shoot it.

I love how they made the cannon trigger the same as the pickle button. Brilliant.

JerseyD
09-28-2003, 12:24 AM
MackTheGovnah22 wrote:
- LOL I dont know why any of you are waiting for
- LOMAC. I get the feeling from reading some of these
- posts that alot of you are here just to complain and
- take out your daily frustrations in cyber-space.
-
- I didnt quote the guy's post from further up but it
- was something to the effect of: "how do you shoot,
- this game is too hard and stuff" LMFAO!! That is a
- classic and he should be enshrined in the idiots
- hall of shame...'be sure'
-
- Some of you kids need to go back to where you came
- from, playing Half-Life and Ureal Tourney. Surely
- you were drawn to FB and LOMAC because of the
- graphics and have found that flight simulators are
- difficult to learn and even more difficult to master
- for the mouse clicking Diablo maniacs..."Dude they
- require lots of buttons and stuff, this is too hard
- screw this BS, the FM is porked" Go play Marios
- Party and leave this forum alone. Oh yea and the
- 135mb LOMAC file you downloaded is a demo if you
- didnt know. D-E-M-O
-

This is the exact reason that flight sims are "nitch market"
people like you going around calling first person shooter players idiots will ensure that this "nitch market" stays that way for along time.Discoraging "crossover" players like myself from venturing into flight sims.


I'm a grown man who enjoys First Person Shooters and Flight Sims equally.
So I'm only half an idiot in you book I guess/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

It's not all a bunch of kids playing these shooters trust me.The avarage age of the players on my OFP/RvS squad is roughly 30/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif





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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 12:37 AM
Rew.. your question was A-Typical of the type
of person MackTheGovnah22 was describing.

There is alot of unecessary postings on this board
by people who find it easier to post a question
than to read instructions, ReadMe's, or simple
to do through trial and error.

Any SIM worth a grain of salt will take time to learn
and the more complex, the longer it will hold the true
Simmer's attention.

If you want fast and easy.. Jet SIM's are not the way to
go and never have been..

I like it in the middle.. I tried Falcon 4 and it was just
a bit too much for me. I will admit, that I am not THAT
good at multitasking. Although I do enjoy managing the
TB-3_4M-17's 4 engines in FB.

I am still downloading the LOMAC "DEMO" and I am sure it
will be fun to enjoy this "PREVIEW", but right now I
can give my first impression of this thread.

MackTheGovnah22, you were a bit harsh.. could've handled
it a bit more tactfully.. you sound like the "Some of you kids" you were talking about in your reply.

SALUTE.. keep plugging away guys.. and don't be so quick
to judge a game which has not even been released or patched yet!

Remember it took about 4 Patches (IL2 + it's patches) to
get Forgotten Battles to where it is today! The best damn
SIM we have to choose from!! Even with it's little imprefections...

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 12:41 AM
My impression is great so far.Its got a great ridng the surface feel and ground pounding is gonna be a blast.Looks like it will take alot of learning and not many will be up to the task.just put on simple and youll be fine.It looks like its gonna satisfy jetbuffs immensly so well see.

The FM needs some looking into and I was doing some pretty cool looking manuevers.Gotta test more.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:34 AM
yep, it was not good, if you want the best jet Sim, Falcon 4 with Super Pack:

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:41 AM
Mack, you are a real bastard but Im too lazy to comment your post.



Anyway



I've always read that the MIG was a great turner, taht would easily get inside a delta-winged fighter like that Mirage 2000. However, it's quite the opposite in the MIG mission... control is quite sluggish, to tell u the truth.


I think my control settings are still not ok, but, is that really so? Can that delta-winged fighter outtunr the MIG?



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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:50 AM
I think delta turn very well but bleeds energy very fast.

Nic

DayGlow
09-28-2003, 03:19 AM
Col.Tomb wrote:
- Same feelings here.
-
- One thing cinched it for me: the config lets you
- assign a Cobra-key just like Flanker.
-
- Yet another arcade game with a ********
- scripted FM.
-
-

Uhm, the "Cobra" key you talk of doesn't do the cobra, it mimics pulling through the stops on the stick so you can go through the AOA meter. You need it because I haven't seen a joystick yet that has stops on the axis that let you pull through them with 30lbs of pressure.

I'll take a A-10 jock (Andy Bush) saying the FM is the most fluid has ever flown over your comments.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:44 AM
what kinda force feedback do you get on a fly-by wire machine?

well my name was spelled wrong

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:30 AM
Force feed back do's work in high G or damaged, I wouldn't expect it in fly by wire aircraft but I do miss it..I wont buy this one..DM looks like something from CFS days! After FB it's disappointing!! I was expecting more; from all the screen shots it looked great but the first time you see one crash or get hit it like Atari or Nintendo, for a DEMO you'd think they'd put there best foot forward?

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:50 AM
Its geared towards jetbuffs and if you like navigating thru your menus and eveading missles and planning routes thru hostile territory to drop your load its for you.Now if you want carnage from up close and personal battles than stick with FB/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


ANd on a very positve note...we now have a great WW2 and modern jet sim...what more can we ask for.Ill be happy to own both!


Message Edited on 09/28/0301:23AM by Wolfstriked

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 06:48 AM
pfft, my missles never hit so I end up going up close and personal with guns anyways. Damn Mig-29A only has 100 rounds too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif .

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:01 AM
Well,I wasn't overly impressed BUT I keep in mind that 1:It's just a demo and 2: I'm not a big jet-sim fan. There are plenty who probably love it. I've yet to decide whether I'll buy it or not...

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:16 AM
Im very unimpressed also, people say its just a demo. Look at many other demos they represent basically what the game is going to be like.

Not buying this one for sure.




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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:20 AM
I thought it was really fun but very very cunfusing to use.

I would of loved to see have gotten a training mission that shows what each button does like the ones for Microsoft Flight Sim 2004

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:20 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Im very unimpressed also, people say its just a
- demo. Look at many other demos they represent
- basically what the game is going to be like

Very true. I'm the optimistic type though,so I'm hoping Lomac will get the extra polish it needs before the release date.../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:21 AM
Not gonna comment... almost cost me a joystick /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif and frames are not that good. Maybe one day it will be a good one. What was that...2008? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:30 AM
Fly the A-10, pretty basic and it lets you get up close and personal just like an IL-2. DM seems good to me, lose controls, control surfaces, engines, take damage and keep on ticking. Of course the Mig-29 isnt so forgiving as its being hit with missles, though even with that ive had varying degrees of damage also.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 07:37 AM
I thought it was good, but it freezs and stutters a lot. If you get into a spin for some reason the game just starts stuttering like a mad man.

I kept breaking the sound barrier over and over just to hear the sonic boom, then again Im easily amused.

But I do think the full game will be worth buying.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 08:04 AM
Yea!...maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions it may disserve a little more time on my part. When I mentioned the DM, I was talking more about how they looked which probably isn't the best way to judge! AAHhhhh! Oleg..you've ruined me for other flight sims!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 08:57 AM
where is the LOMAC demo? I think I missed a big thing while on the pilgrimage with a heck load of candies.

I flight the Flanker 2.5, and I loved it even without the force feedback and stuff till IL2FB came around.

Any guide to the LOMAC ?

Will god lead my way ? I know GPS does...

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Message Edited on 09/28/0308:00AM by Gyrovaguer

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 10:27 AM
DayGlow wrote:
-
- Col.Tomb wrote:
-- Same feelings here.
--
-- One thing cinched it for me: the config lets you
-- assign a Cobra-key just like Flanker.
--
-- Yet another arcade game with a ********
-- scripted FM.
--
--
-
- Uhm, the "Cobra" key you talk of doesn't do the
- cobra, it mimics pulling through the stops on the
- stick so you can go through the AOA meter. You need
- it because I haven't seen a joystick yet that has
- stops on the axis that let you pull through them
- with 30lbs of pressure.
-
- I'll take a A-10 jock (Andy Bush) saying the FM is
- the most fluid has ever flown over your comments.
-
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Damn, looks like I hit a raw nerve. Sorry your beloved game turned out to be a dog, mister moderator. I was expecting it to be better too.

Rew_
09-28-2003, 10:32 AM
LeadSpitter_ wrote:
- Im very unimpressed also, people say its just a
- demo. Look at many other demos they represent
- basically what the game is going to be like.
-
- Not buying this one for sure.
-

Ditto.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 10:42 AM
LOMAC looks great to me. Very different from FB, but of course it would be. I can't comment on the FMs, but the graphics are superb and the sheer quantity of electronic systems carried by the a/c is going to make for a very involving game.

Definitely going to buy this one.

Think about it, one year ago everyone was very pessimistic about the future of flight sims, but this is actually turning into a golden age. Look what we have or soon will have:

WWI: Knights over Europe ( http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_069a.html )

WWII: FB and Oleg's new sims

Modern jets: LOMAC

Civil flight: FS2004

It's hard to be disappointed with that lot /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 10:56 AM
Where can you download the demo from? Couldn't find it on www.lo-mac.com (http://www.lo-mac.com)

--Edit--
Never mind, read the LOMAC forum, that it was another screw-up from our friends over at UBI...
Best Regards,
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Message Edited on 09/28/0310:04AM by Markus_Svensson

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 11:13 AM
MackTheGovnah22 wrote:
- LOL I dont know why any of you are waiting for
- LOMAC. I get the feeling from reading some of these
- posts that alot of you are here just to complain and
- take out your daily frustrations in cyber-space.
-
- I didnt quote the guy's post from further up but it
- was something to the effect of: "how do you shoot,
- this game is too hard and stuff" LMFAO!! That is a
- classic and he should be enshrined in the idiots
- hall of shame...'be sure'
-
- Some of you kids need to go back to where you came
- from, playing Half-Life and Ureal Tourney. Surely
- you were drawn to FB and LOMAC because of the
- graphics and have found that flight simulators are
- difficult to learn and even more difficult to master
- for the mouse clicking Diablo maniacs..."Dude they
- require lots of buttons and stuff, this is too hard
- screw this BS, the FM is porked" Go play Marios
- Party and leave this forum alone. Oh yea and the
- 135mb LOMAC file you downloaded is a demo if you
- didnt know. D-E-M-O
-
-

Bullseye! I'm with you.



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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 12:39 PM
Not really impressed! I will stay with Maddox products.

Cheers,

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:12 PM
sit back and relax,watch screens,get a lock,push button,sit back and relax,BooM!,have a cup o tea,fart,scratch arse,hear horrible warning sound,punch eject button,sit back and relax as u gentle fall to earth,yaaawwwwnnnnnn.......lock-on? wots dat?

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:19 PM
I'm dissappointed, but not surprised, that the ignorance, bad manners, and uninformed bullsh*t that characterises this forum is not just limited to IL2/FB.

GG guys.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:25 PM
LOMAC misses the flight dynamics from IL-2 FB.

I am a WWII flight sim fan and that will not change after LOMAC

This demo als make me realize how much effort is put in
IL-2 FB.

Since Il-2 I saw CFS3 and the LOMAC and made me aware that
Oleg is still the man.

Looking forward to his new sim!

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:56 PM
Each his own.

Buddy of mine (hardcore) was very pleased with the demo and appeared to really look forward to the game's release, while I decided to cancel my pre-order based on the demo experience.

Doesn't mean that LOMAC is crap, it just didn't click with me...

Did some messing around, finally ended both missions successfully. Thought that this will be a MP game. But in the end it is still a flanker series game and that one didn't feel right to me since ver 1.5.

Hopefully they do well since its good for the business, but personally I am now looking forward to Knights over Europe more than any other sim. That and of course Sturmovik follow-ups.

Lets accept that people can be both hard core and NOT like LOMAC as well, not only FPS-gamerz...right.

Haven't enjoyed a modern jet sim since Tornado and simply jets since Mig Alley, although I had a briliant time flying Me262s in MP FB.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 02:09 PM
Its going to take a while to decifer & make a good controler map

Im not even going to mess with it untill the real release is out

from what I seen so far it looks like fun but the way they name some things in the controls list is beyond me...

IE F1 Cockpit view= a very tight view of the cockpit glass as if it was zoomed in ?

Cant see chit so I uninstalled it probly just a bug or something.

Flew around in external mode for a while tho, think the sound is kinda wierd least on my rig

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 02:15 PM
Do any of you remember the first Il2 demo? Just how porked it was? At least you can maintain level flight in the Lomac demo, you couldnt in the first one for Il2 due to some error with roll.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 02:41 PM
LOMAC is Great in all aspects to me.

Hardest Jet sim ever comes to dynamics, because those planes are so steed and heavy, and none of the flight sims illustrated that before.

IL2FB starts missing my vote if oleg Still just playing those numbers of the planes dynamic. That would really Keep me Busy to get along with my "New Planes" without too much work load to himself. Smart as huh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

P51 vs F15, IL2FB vs LOMAC, I hope the ubi staff won't play too much evil marketing game with us to make any of them delay.

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Message Edited on 09/28/0301:44PM by Gyrovaguer

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 03:18 PM
rhorta wrote:
- Each his own.
-
- Buddy of mine (hardcore) was very pleased with the
- demo and appeared to really look forward to the
- game's release, while I decided to cancel my
- pre-order based on the demo experience.
-
- Doesn't mean that LOMAC is crap, it just didn't
- click with me...
-
- Did some messing around, finally ended both missions
- successfully. Thought that this will be a MP game.
- But in the end it is still a flanker series game and
- that one didn't feel right to me since ver 1.5.
-
- Hopefully they do well since its good for the
- business, but personally I am now looking forward to
- Knights over Europe more than any other sim. That
- and of course Sturmovik follow-ups.
-
- Lets accept that people can be both hard core and
- NOT like LOMAC as well, not only FPS-gamerz...right.
-
- Haven't enjoyed a modern jet sim since Tornado and
- simply jets since Mig Alley, although I had a
- briliant time flying Me262s in MP FB.
-
- Ruy "SPADES" Horta
- http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta
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too bad LOMAC could not have been more like IL-2 in the fact the Demo in IL2 is/was excellent, too bad it couldn't have been made like CFS series where you can actually work the code for planes and cockpits (too bad if you don't like doing that, I do) Too bad that Falcon 4 is still the best and wild that even better with Super Pack addons.... You can actually edit it and make it better, but maybe it will be like Falcon 4 where the flight sim community rescues and good idea that was messed up by developers..

Should hold back to the full sim comes out but going fromt he Demo and what I read, it sounds like the developers do not want anyone else to improve and code and it wil be locked down to whatever they release.. Bargain Bin, here it comes ...

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 03:55 PM
Some people seem to believe that the Mirage 2000 should be an easy kill, well it's not, and it shouldn't be. It lacks the power of the MiG-29 but it's a smaller fighter with a higher ITR and a much better rollrate. The 2000 also features relaxed static stability and FBW. Its E-bleed in turns shouldn't be alot worse than that of the MiG. Use the vertical to get on top of it. Now imagine fighting against a Rafale!/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:02 PM
Don't forget that the DEMO is based on BETA No.5. They are now on BEAT No.10. Final release gonna be much better in everything, including the FM and DM.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:09 PM
bloblast wrote:
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- LOMAC misses the flight dynamics from IL-2 FB.
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- I am a WWII flight sim fan and that will not change
- after LOMAC
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- This demo als make me realize how much effort is put
- in IL-2 FB.
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- Since Il-2 I saw CFS3 and the LOMAC and made me
- aware that
- Oleg is still the man.
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- Looking forward to his new sim!
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09-28-2003, 04:09 PM
Col.Tomb wrote:

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- beloved game turned out to be a dog, mister
- moderator. I was expecting it to be better too.
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lol, I never said it was perfect, but please explain to me how you would do it so it felt more dynamic. So if the LOMAC fm feels canned to you, then what sim are you happy with then?

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:10 PM
Very much agree though, the Mirage 2000 does zoom climb with bleeding a lot of energy. but it advantaged not only on roll rate, it turn rate is very good too. In tactic of boom zoom with missiles, Mirage 2000 would be just like a running duck facing with hunter's gun.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:21 PM
Where did you get this demo? I could not find a place to download it.

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:48 PM
If you hurry, you might catch it here:
http://www.checksix-fr.com/bibliotheque/detail_fichier.php?ID=1379

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:08 PM
The major thing i have to criticize on the Lo-mac demo is the extent of it, UBI/ED would have done better providing an MP mode with the demo to check-out, as well as a functional options screen for quick start missions (atmospherical conditions, E/A, Target(s), loadout etc). The capabilities of the final game are hard to judge from what the demo offers.

Other than that the FM feels predictable, which isn´t a bad thing, but what you´d expect from modern aircraft (Falcon4 is no different in this regard).


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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:11 PM
The LOMAC demo is like a hurricane. SHE BLOWS!

I was all set to plunk my money down but the demo has made me change my mind....

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:17 PM
Hey you guys are really old farts! My bro and I are 40 and 44 respectively! We still go crazy with MOHAA! I used to be a Falcon 4.0 junkie but just ran outta time. MOHAA type games are great jump in for 20 minutes and then go mow the lawn!

Take care!

Happy hunting and check six!

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:29 PM
A real demo that showed some of the features of LO-MAC would have been nice. Instead they chose to give us an early beta with a pair of really boring missions that really don't show anything except that an ATI 9700 Pro is the minimum system spec for straight medium detail /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif . I may or may not buy it. I like flight sims of all era's and enjoyed Flanker 2.x alot. But LO-MAC just eats up too much power right now that my PC doesn't have. If it looks like they correct it in the release version I will probebly get it but otherwise I won't. Aside from the FPS issues it does look very nice. The Mig-29A flight model has some issues such as the max AoA is about half what it should be but things like that are probebly already fixed in the latest beta builds.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:38 PM
http://www.3dgamers.com/dl/games/lockonmac/lock_on.exe.html

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:43 PM
administrator! administrator! they're talking about jets here!

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 06:33 PM
LOMAC will rule just as Flanker 1 - 2.5 has.
Yes you can even DF in it with just guns if you like or dive into all the systems. IMO the spectrum is a lot broader that any prop sim.
Regardless, I simply do not understand anyone who is an avi buff would be so inclined to dis one kind of sim and limited themselves to only say prop sims.

I like em all...even civil aviation sims.

BTW regarding FF sicks, HEL -F'in- LO its called 'LO"Modern"AC'. While FF will prob work in the final version this is till only a DEMO

Flanker Rules...alway has always will.

Mo

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 11:18 PM
DEMOS are always the first few missions of a game. the demo is the game. so for those who think the game will be different think again. the demo is a piece of the game. if you dont like the demo you wont like the game. on a side note everyone on these forums has been waiting for LOMAC but i guarantee almost all will not like it. mark my words. if you love props you wont enjoy jets.

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09-29-2003, 12:26 AM
I enjoy both

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 02:43 AM
Redeth, If demos accurately portrayed the final product, about half the popular games would be unplayable and would have been dumped before they cam out.

This a level5 beta for a sim that has gone to it's 10th level in beta. Its a frigging demo. Not buying it cause of the demo is like saying "I won't buy a car cause my ten speed bike didn't run well." This forum is flooded with guys that don't think anything through. People compare it to IL-2, which it is nothing like, and people complain about dogfighting when Jet to Jet is a completly different animal. It's being compared to Falcon 4, which was a horrible, buggy, unplayable peice of krap when it was released. Falcon 4 had no where near the resolution capabilities when it was released that the simple DEMO has, and the water in Lomac on medium setting is better than the water in FB on perfect!

FM arguements are getting thrown around like test pilot talk at the drink up, and the myth of needing a super rig to drive it out of a slide show status are becoming legendary. I am driving this with a fps rate of 25-45 with a P4 2.4, 512 ddr and a G4 Ti4800 on a 1024 x 768 32bit resolution, with heat enabled. (No mirrors yet, mind you, haven't tried them.)

An old demo has been released for a little over 24 hrs, and the dimwits have already judged the final product. No wonder this forum has a reputation. More thought goes into people's signatures than their posts.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 02:44 AM
Lock On is awesome, the demo runs great (ok, one or two hitches) and don't forget that these are modern planes. The flight models are probably quite representative of the real thing (if anyone will do it, trust Eagle Dynamics).

As for it being 'another bs*it scripted flight model' because of the cobra key, erm, the real plane has that from what I can gather. Don't slate the game because it isn't FB, I am sure it will be as good as/better than FB in many ways, just remember it's a different focus.

You guys who haven't shot the Mirage down or killed the ground targets - try this:

A10-
Switch to A-G, take out the ZSU with a rockeye and take the rest out at your leisure.

Mig
Switch to boresight target mode (key 6 I think), 'look' at the Mirage so that the large green circle surrounds it, press Tab to lock onto it and fire missile. If you don't hit him, switch to guns (C key) and take him out that way.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 02:57 AM
I'm totally puzzled?? Whereabouts can one find this demo that so many are talking about?? Tried www.lo-mac.com (http://www.lo-mac.com) but no luck.

Can anyone advise me?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:11 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:21 AM
sounds to me like your a little overprotective of lomac hedus. every single demo ive ever played was identical to the game. and the missions were identical also. your game that you like will stand or fall on its own merits hedus. you dont like that then TUFF BEANS.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:30 AM
Tuff Beans? Am I on the 6th grade?

I am not overprotective of anything, and I am usually supercritical of sims. I have beta'd 4 air combat sims, and realize that NO demo accurately represents the final product.

I like the looks and feel of Lomac. I KNOW that a lot of effort is going into it. I will wait and see the final product. I usually buy them the day they get out, and I have a book of worthless sims like Luftwaffe Commander and Mig Alley to prove it. I think Lomac will be one of the good buys.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:37 AM
Someone please tell me where to dl the damn demo!?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:00 AM
http://www.3dgamers.com/dl/games/lockonmac/lock_on.exe.html

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:07 AM
I wasnt too impressed either...but I prefer prop combat sims anyway. It just seems more up close and personal to me. I may buy it still though since the graphics are very good and once the final comes out with a manual hopefully it will be a little easier to configure.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:11 AM
try kazaa for download i think you type lomac_demo but im not sure i got it from some germen site ask around in the lomac forum. my thoughts on the demo are that if you dont mind investing ALOT of time maping your controlls onto you flight stick and tring to remember what does what then it sould be a cool game as far as what it take to run the DEMO im geting about 25 to 35 fps on med graphics on 1023/765 or something.im in the teens when over a town and im only running a p4 1.6 512ram and a 9500pro it stutters a littel so im gussing more than 512 of ram would be a good idea but its still totaly playble and even on low settings it looks VERY good. how ever i would guess that the actule game will through alot more enemys at you not to mentuan wingmen so id say anyone with less than a 2.0 p4 and like 800 something of ram might want to think about waiting till thay got a faster pc just a gusse though. and im proud to say i shoot down the m2000 lol of course i crashed as i was landing so i prob. better shut up lol

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 05:37 AM
you can get the demo here
http://www.3dgamers.com/games/lockonmac/#filelist
http://www.92ndfg.com/files/lock_on.exe

as for the demo, i Was very busy trying to keep the freaking plane in the air

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 06:06 AM
woooooooo i have the demo and its amazingly complex to master. there are about 120 or so commands you need know if you wish to master flying those jets. its like comparing 1st grade math to astro physics when comparing lomac to fb. its unbelievable.

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 10:05 AM
RedDeth wrote:
- woooooooo i have the demo and its amazingly complex
- to master. there are about 120 or so commands you
- need know if you wish to master flying those jets.
- its like comparing 1st grade math to astro physics
- when comparing lomac to fb. its unbelievable.

Ever played Falcon 4 with SP3 ?

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 10:33 AM
well, i'm trying to fly it,but there are so many knobs and lights and switches and b*tches telling me how to fly, and the last thing i wanna hear is a b*tch telling me how to fly my damn plane!!!

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fluke39
09-29-2003, 10:45 AM
hmmm

lomac don't impress me much

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Zayets
09-29-2003, 10:52 AM
Well,LOMAC that we have now is just a demo. Nothing more , nothing less. I heard that skin will be not customizable , which is sad. Takes away from fun and personalization. On the other hand , system requirements are huge. I had to turn down lot of things to have a fluent play.But again , code is not sorted out yet , but it gives an idea. IMHO ,if a P4 2.4 Ghz/1GB RAM/Ti4600 could not handle reasonably a game then I don't know what to believe. Is incredible , they are working for what, 5 years now on this game and 5 years ago . Is really bad. I wonder what will happen when there will be lotta planes in the air and some ground battles. With Black Death I have an average of 29-30 fps although sometimes it drops to 15 fps but only for a moment. In Lomac , without any tunning I had 15 fps in the Hog mission. Is crazy. Toneed down AA and some details and reached an average of 30-35 fps on hog and about 40-50 in the MIG,but if you come close to the grounf in MIG fps will drop to 20-25 fps. That's a difference. I find that firing weapons is ... different but I havee no problems now. Downed the Mirage while I was using helmet mount sight on the MIG , was a great stuff. Avoiding missiles IMHO is random, releasing flares and chaffs will help but not always. Also I think that the Mirage stays way too good on your tail. I like that sonic boom on the MIG and I like how it handles. I'm no jet expert , but I think FM is good. Landing is too easy if you ask me. If I had no problems in the Hog , I've thought in the Mig willbe difficult. Not at all. But! Let's wait. I , for one , I will buy the game , if not for the play , then for my collection /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 11:03 AM
Sternjager wrote:
- well, i'm trying to fly it,but there are so many
- knobs and lights and switches and b*tches telling me
- how to fly, and the last thing i wanna hear is a
- b*tch telling me how to fly my damn plane!!!


Ha.. my thoughts exactly.

XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 11:20 AM
I just can't believe you lot. You are slating a DEMO (beta 5, they are already on Beta 10). /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Why not just wait and see what happens when it's out, the fact of the matter is that Lock On will be awesome and, as aircraft buffs, I cannot see how you can't be impressed by it.

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09-29-2003, 11:42 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 01:04 PM
can't install... help! Dl 123mb but when click on the icon, the file just unzip and ...that's all nothing come out???

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 01:48 PM
Well I liked the demo. I think I will buy LOMAC even if it just for the Hog.

I mean COME ON! Who isn't excited by the idea of getting the nose pointed and unleashing that 30mm Cannon!! Do you people have no soul? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I enjoyed the MiG too - Peformed a "Cobra" with the Mirage on my six and after a brief TopGun moment I grinned ear-to-ear as My A-11 flew home and splashed him /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Does anyone have a link to these <ahem> modified missions? I saw that they a *.mis format file and an XML file but I tried editing them and just buggered up the mission (good job I made a backup!) without changing the T.O.D or weather etc - anyone?

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 03:01 PM
I downloaded the demo and installed it .
I'm not impressed .
Maybe I should wait for the real thing , the demo seems buggy .
I really had trouble getting the thing to run smoothly . Probably just my own hardware though .
I'll stick to FB for the time being .

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 04:25 PM
The readme does say that Frame Rates have NOT been optimised, and I found I could get 40 fps on my machine by lowering the details a little - still looked good.

My Specs :

2400+ Athlon XP 512MB RAM Radeon 9700 Pro Running at 1280x1024.

Try reducing the Visibility to Medium and water to low - much improved FPS over water and land that way.

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