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jaybee333
08-15-2005, 11:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifSince 4.01 and other patches aircraft information has been lacking in the objects list texts. All the new aircraft show up in the quick mission builder list but that is all. I am especially interested in the late war Japanese planes like the: Ki-61-l Hei, A6M7-62, A6M7-63, Ki-46-lll Kai-Otsu, N1K1-Ja, N1K2-J, KI-100-l Ko. I have flown the Ki-61-l Hei on a server or two and have found it to be quite good.
Is there any resource or fan site that has written up the specs on these planes? You know things like HP, armaments, top speed, etc.
Thanks for the help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

jaybee333
08-15-2005, 11:00 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gifSince 4.01 and other patches aircraft information has been lacking in the objects list texts. All the new aircraft show up in the quick mission builder list but that is all. I am especially interested in the late war Japanese planes like the: Ki-61-l Hei, A6M7-62, A6M7-63, Ki-46-lll Kai-Otsu, N1K1-Ja, N1K2-J, KI-100-l Ko. I have flown the Ki-61-l Hei on a server or two and have found it to be quite good.
Is there any resource or fan site that has written up the specs on these planes? You know things like HP, armaments, top speed, etc.
Thanks for the help. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
08-15-2005, 11:09 AM
That's volumes of info you're requesting jaybee....What would you like to know about the Ki-61-1 series?

jaybee333
08-15-2005, 11:19 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifYes,please,really just Ki-61-1 Hei and also A6M7-62,63 if its not too much trouble.

But aren't there fan sites that post that kind of info in their PDF's?
Seems to me that I used to have quite a comprehensive listing of info from one of the French or German fan sites, pre 4.01.

Anyhow, thanks much for your efforts to help me educate myself. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

JG53Frankyboy
08-15-2005, 11:41 AM
"A6M7 dive bomber
By late 1944, most of the larger Japanese aircraft carriers had been sunk, and the Japanese Navy instructed Mitsubishi to begin development of a version of the Reisen capable of being used as a dive bomber operating from smaller aircraft carriers. The A6M7 was designed to meet this requirement.
The A6M7 differed from the A6M6c in having the under-fuselage drop tank installation replaced by a special bomb rack capable of carrying a single 551 pound or 1100 pound bomb. A strengthened and reinforced tailplane was provided to accommodate the stresses of dive bombing. In place of the centerline drop tank, provisions were made for two 77 Imp gall drop tanks to be attached underneath the wings outboard of the 13.2-mm machine guns.

Production of the A6M7 began as the Model 63 in May of 1945. It was hastily produced both by Mitsubishi and Nakajima and issued to Navy dive-bomber units. The exact numbers built by either company is not known. The bomb-release mechanism proved to be more reliable than the makeshift racks fitted in the field to earlier Zero Fighters that often failed to release their bombs. This problem did not of course affect the Zeros that were expended in Kamikaze attacks. Some of the A6M7s were also expended in this fashion in the closing months of the Pacific War.

Specification of A6M7 Navy Type 0 Carrier Fighter Model 63:

One Mitsubishi NK1F Sakae 31 fourteen cylinder air-cooled radial, rated at 1130 hp for takeoff, 1100 hp at 9350 feet, 980 hp at 19,685 feet.

Dimensions: Wingspan 36 feet 1 1/16 inches, length 29 feet 11 3/32 inches, height 11 feet 6 5/32 inches, wing area 229.27 square feet. Weights: 6945 pounds loaded.

Armament: One 13.2-mm Type 3 machine gun in the upper fuselage decking, two wing-mounted 13.2-mm Type 3 machine guns and two wing-mounted 20-mm Type 99 cannon. One 551-lb or 1102-lb bomb could be carried underneath the fuselage centerline. Two 77-Imp gall droptanks could be carried underneath the wings."

from here
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/a6m.html#RTFToC1

some thoughts about the game:
the Model 63 has in game no MW injection, "only" fuel injection - so it has a Sakae21 engine.
the Model 62 has this MW equipted Sakae31 engine.

as the second number is telling an engine gange , it have to be otherway round as in game to be correct.
there fore the A6M5c Model52 is also wrong, it had no MW Sakae31 like in game. the 52c is actually a A6M6c Model63

also weird is that there wingtroptanks are availabe but no fuselage bomb with them http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
the only reason for them was that the ZeroBomber was able to carry a bomb AND droptanks

LeadSpitter_
08-15-2005, 02:23 PM
http://www.j-aircraft.com/ is a descent site lots of sourced information here. Check Resources

jaybee333
08-15-2005, 02:27 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gifThanks for the responses Billfish and Frankyboy.
Billfish do you have any information on the Ki-61-1 Hei?...like max speed at level, armaments?
How about a late Zero, I was hoping to find a late Zero with a more powerful powerplant and stronger armaments. How about the A6M5 a,b,and c? How do they stack up?

JG53Frankyboy
08-15-2005, 03:01 PM
the Zero you are locking for would be the A6M8 Model 64.
but none of them were produced.


here you get an overview of the Ki-61
http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/ki-61.html

LEBillfish
08-15-2005, 04:18 PM
Again jaybee...Just on say the Ki-61 could fill volumes. In my perhaps 6 month search for information I without exageration have collected perhaps 30 books, numerous undisclosed reports of which the stack printed out is perhaps 10" thick, and have easily bookmarked perhaps 500 websites or more......

and I am still far from learning it all, even just a fair amount of it. One HUGE obstacle having been trying to learn how to read Japanese enough to say this is that Kanji, that is that one.

WHat I would suggest you do is perform searches on the web...Yahoo, Google, Lycos with these terms...

Ki-61
Japanese Tony
Hien

and look over what you find...HOWEVER...do not take it as fact as you'll quickly find much of what you will find is incorrect....Even in many published books....

After you do some searches, ask "specific" questions....That will make it much easier to answer you vs. typing out 1,000 pages of info for you.

I'll be more then happy to answer you then and we can do it here so everyone can learn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

LEBillfish
08-15-2005, 07:22 PM
p.s....

As to your two questions the information I have is as follows:

Max speed for Ki-61-1 Hei...Unlisted, however should be between 580(1d) & 592(1b) km/h...

Armament was 2x12.7mm Ho-103 Machine guns in the fusalage set above and behind the engine offset to accomodate side by side ammo cans & 1 German Mauser 151/20 cannon in each wing.

URL for Gun information (http://gunsight.jp/b/english/data/ja-gun-e.htm)

VW-IceFire
08-15-2005, 07:49 PM
All I know about the Ki-61-Hei is the weapons. The 61-Hei is a modification of the other major variants and it has two, as already mentioned, Mauser MG151/20 20mm cannons in either wing. These guns were sent via ship from Germany to Japan for fitting on these aircraft. They were a limited production run.

What were missing is the Ki-61-Tei which was the most produced version which had two Ho-103 12.7mm machine guns in either wing and two Japanese built 20mm cannons (I forget the name) in the engine decking.

JG53Frankyboy
08-16-2005, 04:37 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/2991061432/p/1

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LEBillfish
08-16-2005, 07:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/26310365/m/2991061432/p/1

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"Semi-OT"

Actually....Much of that thread is VERY incorrect....Hence my warning above about websites and even books.....

My research is now to a point of convincing historians to share their personal notes from actual plane inspections and translated Kawasaki/IJAAF documents and records. What I've found is since 1945 there have been some massive errors passed down and that grew worse with time. Worse still, we have more current books being based off of earlier "incorrect" books, translated from some Slavic "incorrect" book, translated from some "incorrect" English record, mis-translated from some coded and deliberately vague Japanese record.

Sadly, no one has yet published a "Corrected" publication (at least that I can find) and if you think the above is bad you should try tracking down a unit....

Ok, so what?.....Well, this info, the correct info is 60 years old. Those old records are being slowly destroyed by time, getting buried under the mass of new information, or stuck away in some guys drawer to be published then *poof* He's gone and they get thrown out with his underwear.

So, it is important to find multiple sources, reference them, compare, and then finally once you have the "truth"....Perpetuate it backing it up with facts and sources.