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tomtheyak
01-12-2007, 09:17 AM
I've been appalled at the some of the responses and the general attitude to newcomers and/or people who play at settings that might include icons, Wonder Woman view etc.

May I remind you that this game in it's current status would not be here without it's community, but ergo that community depends on keeping interest alive and fresh blood coming in. The way some people are attacked for broaching simple questions or showing enthusiasm for some apparently *low* form of the game is unforgivable and downright obnoxious. People are here because they enjoy the game or want to learn how to get the best out of it for them.

If someone wants to fly u/l ammo with no spins and stalls then thats his/her decision; that is how they best enjoy the game.

It's not up to anyone else to harangue them for it.

And if someone comes in here asking the obligatory favourites 'where's my gunsight' or 'plane stuck on carrier, won't move' question, why spend the time being obnoxius or ordering them to use the search function when it's just as easy to type in the helpful answer? Bear in mind they don't know its an FAQ.

The fishing post a few weeks ago is a case in point. Should it matter? No. I'm glad to see that a few members of the community jumped in to help straight of. And as for them being mocked for their 'gullability', well I say more respect for them. When in doubt I know I try to err on the side of pleasentness.

Perhaps some posters here should try that too.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tomtheyak
01-12-2007, 09:17 AM
I've been appalled at the some of the responses and the general attitude to newcomers and/or people who play at settings that might include icons, Wonder Woman view etc.

May I remind you that this game in it's current status would not be here without it's community, but ergo that community depends on keeping interest alive and fresh blood coming in. The way some people are attacked for broaching simple questions or showing enthusiasm for some apparently *low* form of the game is unforgivable and downright obnoxious. People are here because they enjoy the game or want to learn how to get the best out of it for them.

If someone wants to fly u/l ammo with no spins and stalls then thats his/her decision; that is how they best enjoy the game.

It's not up to anyone else to harangue them for it.

And if someone comes in here asking the obligatory favourites 'where's my gunsight' or 'plane stuck on carrier, won't move' question, why spend the time being obnoxius or ordering them to use the search function when it's just as easy to type in the helpful answer? Bear in mind they don't know its an FAQ.

The fishing post a few weeks ago is a case in point. Should it matter? No. I'm glad to see that a few members of the community jumped in to help straight of. And as for them being mocked for their 'gullability', well I say more respect for them. When in doubt I know I try to err on the side of pleasentness.

Perhaps some posters here should try that too.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Tom
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carguy_
01-12-2007, 09:25 AM
Yeah,listen to the man.

After my first replies in that particular thread I was presented with an irresistible offer of a permanent ban via PM.

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waffen-79
01-12-2007, 09:32 AM
Well this is a SIM after all and you have to be able to climb up in the difficulty settings being "Full REALISM" the goal

It just makes a whole new experience when you are fyling full real, you have conversations like:

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Indianer, 7'clock low
rgr, can u id?
I'm on it, can't see it's markings
it's definatly a 190

need support at grid B4 bearing 120
=======

But some chaps here just RELY in the somewhat defensive tactics like not beign seen to survive and score some kills

They couldn't last a minute on the so called "ww arcadish servers"

I say..if you know your ride, and always fly cockpit ON no matter the server, then you're good everywhere....

some servers I can reccomend are the UKDed ones

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slappedsilly
01-12-2007, 09:59 AM
Tomtheyak is right! I look at Hyperlobby and The all seeing eye, and wonder why ANY developer would be interested in making an online flight sim game. There doesn't seem to be enough interest to me. So to treat anyone that has bought the game with disrespect and discourage them is a sin against yourself! This goes for servers who ban new players with no warning or conversation. Hats off to the 334th, they seem to make sure violators understand before letting the axe fall.

BrewsterPilot
01-12-2007, 10:08 AM
I'm sure it'd soon be better if some morons here would stop posting those idiotic, meaningless fake threads.

Mods could start with an IP search if the "beginner" seems fake and have a bit more punishment, like a two week ban or so for the faker.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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SeaFireLIV
01-12-2007, 10:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I'm sure it'd soon be better if some morons here would stop posting those idiotic, meaningless fake threads.

. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. tomtheyak, you`ve seen some of the fake threads that have fooled well meaning people such as mysel into wasting our time. It`s those fakers you should be complaining too as they put us all off helping the genuine folk!

I knew someone was going to post a thread on this, well that`s my reply.

If idiots didn`t post waste of time `help a new guy` threads we wouldn`t have this problem.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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XyZspineZyX
01-12-2007, 10:20 AM
Brewster-

here's where the pic comes from:

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carguy_
01-12-2007, 10:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
It just makes a whole new experience when you are fyling full real, you have conversations like:

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Indianer, 7'clock low
rgr, can u id?
I'm on it, can't see it's markings
it's definatly a 190

need support at grid B4 bearing 120
======= </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PFFFT what a n00b!
There are NO conversations during missions!

More like

==========================
-cons B4@3k,three ,no ID hdg 256,
-rgr,reds for sure, my pos C7 eta 7mins keep em pinned down dont lose alt
-rgr; engaging.

===============================
etc.


Keep conversation out of the radio and cut messages as short possible to make maximum info flowing through the cable.

You gots some more to learn,boy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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MEGILE
01-12-2007, 10:31 AM
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tomtheyak
01-12-2007, 10:42 AM
@ Waffen: I'm not sure I agree with you 100% on that.

As a full switch player I agree that the whole process of searching, finding and engaging the enemy (and not necessarily destroying) is of and by itself fun and absorbing - but many don't find it that way.

I assume a that you, as I, have hobbies, including this one, because we enjoy those particular past-times. Thats what it's about. Enjoyment. Fun.

Some people get that from a round of golf. Others by walking ten miles for no apparent reason or by dressing up in period costume and acting said period out with others.

Some people wanna play a vague representation of air combat without the impairments. Because they enjoy it.

The ladder is there if they feel that the experience is getting stagnant or they're looking for a new challenge, they can notch up the difficulty setting, but throwing some people in at the full-swtich deep-end may only put them off.

@Carguy, Seafire & Brewster: That entire episode is one I think we all need to forget. I only brought it up as an example of the trouble with some of the posters we have here. I agree it was childish, pointless and divisive and what possesed the culprit to behave in such a deliberately antagonistic fashion is frankly beyond me.

However, it did I feel show for better or for worst some of the true colours of some of the posters here.

And Carguy, thats no slight against you - Hats Off for spotting the culprit early on. I confess that I smelt a rat, but as I say I erred on the side of caution as I wasn't convinced. And to you who offered advice, well, console yourself that you treated others as you'd hope to be treated yourself if you came here as a noob.

Do as you would be done by gents. Can't say fairer than that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Matz0r
01-12-2007, 10:42 AM
This place need a FAQ...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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russ.nl
01-12-2007, 10:42 AM
And then to think that a lot of the hardcore full real fm whiners don't even play the game full real. They often use icons and wonderwomen for some sort of lame excuse.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BrewsterPilot
01-12-2007, 11:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:
Brewster-

here's where the pic comes from:

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2796/7ffb9f51c23d5648bd11e44yt7.jpg

I'd like my sig line to read "I won the contest and all I got was this lousy text line" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh shutup. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
I meant what the photographed item is and where it has been made...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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x6BL_Brando
01-12-2007, 11:45 AM
Strangest of all is the reaction of certain types in the HyperLobby to the settings a person hosts with. Comments are passed, even 'earnest' pages are sent, usually b1tching about the fact that icons and/or padlock are switched on. As if it wasn't a public lobby and people shouldn't have a choice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Personally I don't fly in no-cockpit view and I don't fly in servers or coops when this function is enabled. Do I feel as though I'm missing out? Answer - yes, sometimes, if the other settings are to my taste. Do I harangue the host or send disparaging pages? Answer - no, it's not my business how they choose to fly. If they invite me in I might mention it - but never from that nose-in-the-air attitude of I'm better at this computer game than you are.

It's like answering the door to evangelical types - ludicrous & a bit sinister at the same time.

Choctaw111
01-12-2007, 12:55 PM
I must be open minded and see both sides here. Yes there are new people coming into this sim all the time and that is nice to see. However it should be there goal to someday fly with cockpit view on, limited ammo, stall and spins and so on. All I am trying to say here is that you can take a very experienced pilot who flies full real all the time and put him in an "arcadish" type server and that great pilot will get murdered in there and that is the truth. That great pilot will be scanning the sky, weaving back and fourth and checking his six while the others will be checking their maps with icons to find him. The situational awareness of the experienced pilot is obviously much better than those who rely on the map with icons to locate enemy planes but will that pilot stand a chance in that server? All that pilot can rely on is his/her dogfighting skills once they are bounced by the ones who are used to using the easy difficulty settings. Even though those easy difficulty settings are available to the pilot who is used to flying FULL REAL, that pilot will not even use them because he/she is not used to using them and doesn't even occur to them to use external views, maps with icons (although I do use to map sometimes to navigate by terrain association so the map icons would automatically be there... and I would hate that!!!!) no cockpit and other things. There are those people out there that always fly with these realism settings turned off and have no desire to ever learn to fly more realistically. Who would win in a dogfight? Who is the better pilot? I have seen already where an "ARCADE" pilot will beat a known "FULL REAL" pilot in an "ARCADE" server and think he is the bees knees. This kind of thing just frustrates the heck out of me. Personally if you want to fly with a bunch of pilots who are SERIOUS about this sim then fly on a FULL REAL server. I will never fly on anything less than a FULL REAL server after the things that I have seen in an arcadish type server. To fly in a FULL REAL server you have to know your stuff very well to survive and to do that takes a lot of knowledge on how to fly (like where all your gauges are and things like that) and typically an ARCADE only flyer does not posses these skills but will hopefully strive to someday fly full real.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tomtheyak
01-12-2007, 02:07 PM
Guys, lets stay on topic here;

This is NOT a discussion on the relative merits of various difficulty settings. This is about letting people play their game at their own pace and enjoying it without the worry of being attacked or insulted on these boards.

Its also about having some respect towards those who are ignorant, through no fault of their own, about some of the games quirks out-of-the-box.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-12-2007, 02:18 PM
Gah! the newbies should know better.

For example, asking this way: "oh sorry sorry my daddy bought me this thing and i cant raise the gear in the f4f oh help help this is too hard", you'll only obtain boring and paternalist instructions from the eldest and soft-hearted gurus of the forum, apart from giving smart spammers as Dux and others futile excuses to insert their dull jokes and itchy puns there -and you got it coming for being such a si$sy kiddie (the kind of flaccid geek everybody beats up in school yard).

But if you have a positive and assertive attitude: "lol what a cr*p lol you cant even raise gear in f4f lol this game sux cfs is a lot better", you'll have a prompt answer like "bind a key in the control options you moron", you only have to separate the useful answers from the insults and rolleyes smilies, and the Old Wise Men Council will even give you a full list of features and links to utils for the sim -apart from some nice examples of the "Ode to Maddox" local poetical genre.

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Xiolablu3
01-12-2007, 02:19 PM
Its the fault of the people with a strange sense of humour who pretend to be newbies. WHat sort of thrill they get out of this I am not sure, but as such people are more wary of newcomers.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-12-2007, 02:25 PM
Yes. On a serious note, those fake posts have made ppl a bit paranoid lately.

I suggest just forgetting it and acting always as if the post is legitimate. It's better to be mocked at than making innocent people pay for it.

DustyBarrels77
01-12-2007, 04:39 PM
402cdns are a externals off label external view 334th type squad, death to the wussie settings or should we call them cfs settings<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tomtheyak
01-12-2007, 06:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DustyBarrels77:
402cdns are a externals off label external view 334th type squad, death to the wussie settings or should we call them cfs settings </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Riiiiiiiiiight....


Did you get on the internet again without your special helpers permission...?

Better sign off and go stare at some peeling wallpaper, there there.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
01-12-2007, 06:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Yes. On a serious note, those fake posts have made ppl a bit paranoid lately.

I suggest just forgetting it and acting always as if the post is legitimate. It's better to be mocked at than making innocent people pay for it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats all that needs to be said really.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LEXX_Luthor
01-12-2007, 06:37 PM
Real Newbies will see and learn from the helping responses. The real value of webboard help is not helping individual players, but countless millions (well, kinda) who see others' threads and learn from them, learning through the process of bitter Old Timers helping individual players. Kinda neat how it works.

Imagine if all help was given by Emil. We would see millions (well, sorta) more help requests.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
01-12-2007, 06:41 PM
right - I try to always think of the many others who are reading these threads and not actively participating whenever I 'poast' something...rather than just the people I might be replying to directly in a given thread...

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JSG72
01-12-2007, 07:19 PM
Posted Fri January 12 2007 08:17
I've been appalled at the some of the responses and the general attitude to newcomers and/or people who play at settings that might include icons, Wonder Woman view etc.

May I remind you that this game in it's current status would not be here without it's community, but ergo that community depends on keeping interest alive and fresh blood coming in. The way some people are attacked for broaching simple questions or showing enthusiasm for some apparently *low* form of the game is unforgivable and downright obnoxious. People are here because they enjoy the game or want to learn how to get the best out of it for them.

If someone wants to fly u/l ammo with no spins and stalls then thats his/her decision; that is how they best enjoy the game.

It's not up to anyone else to harangue them for it.

And if someone comes in here asking the obligatory favourites 'where's my gunsight' or 'plane stuck on carrier, won't move' question, why spend the time being obnoxius or ordering them to use the search function when it's just as easy to type in the helpful answer? Bear in mind they don't know its an FAQ.

The fishing post a few weeks ago is a case in point. Should it matter? No. I'm glad to see that a few members of the community jumped in to help straight of. And as for them being mocked for their 'gullability', well I say more respect for them. When in doubt I know I try to err on the side of pleasentness.

Perhaps some posters here should try that too.

Tom
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You. Do not always get the answer you would prefer.

I donnot see any on here! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

It is rather unfortuanate that towards the End of this SIMS lifetime http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

You get replies from folks who have "Seen it and done it all"(Forum addicts! Drat! Is that me? Surely not.)

As far as I am concerned I am still a "NOOB".
(Or at least I was deemed to be so a couple of posts ago!). Even though I have been on this Forum since its inception. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif.

Don't Fret, Pet.

The so called experts are waiting for the New Messiah. SOW./BOB.
And are tired of going over the same old ground within this SIM.

I personally am sticking with it. As AFAIK. SOW. Is going to be the most boring SIM. ever made http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Is it just me? or can, anyone sook the truth.

Bearcat99
01-12-2007, 07:45 PM
This sim has varied settings for a reason. When I hear terms like "Wonder Woman view" "Full Real" "Full Swich" "Noob Settings" and such I no longer gag... but I can't help it.. I still wag my head.

The sim is made to flown.. it is made so that a total rookie with no flight sim experience whatsoever can check out the genre... and grow into it if he chooses....and yet the die hard elitist can still find his way to a challenging sortie in the virtual skies. While it is true that some of us do treat newcomers badly... even those of us who try to be "nice" still perpetuate the elitist BS with terms like "wonder woman" view etc.... which.. is a disparaging term actually. It smacks of elitism on the part of those manly men who wouldn't dare fly with those settings.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif We should all treat newcomers... even the bogus ones like newcomers.... there arent many of us.... and if we dont make this genre profitable then BoB may be one of the last of it's kind.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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icrash
01-12-2007, 08:21 PM
Amen Bearcat. Besides if it weren't for being able to cut off spin/stall, get u/l ammo, and not get killed, my nephews wouldn't be asking to play "that cool airplane game".<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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th3wraith06
01-12-2007, 08:50 PM
i actually came into the il-2 community about a week ago and i have found the community to be very helpful thusfar, i also have found a squadron that is very helpful to newcomers too, i haven't really seen any of this harshness to newcomers myself, then again, i cant speak for everyone.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Pirschjaeger
01-12-2007, 09:17 PM
I've been flying for years and to be honest I don't like full real.

When I get off the ground and on my way to the fight I like to hit F2 and look at my plane. The 109 is simply beautiful. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

I welcome all, regardless of how they enjoy the game. It's just nice to see new people as they represent a common interest.

To the noobs; ignore those who judge others based on their choice of settings and remember that those who think they know it all can learn no more. They are intellectually limited. As an eternal noob, I continue to learn and always will.

Focus on those who genuinely give advice. There are many.

The whole IL-2 thing is an educational and enjoyable hobby and hobbies are meant to be personalized.

Fritz, the eternal noob. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-12-2007, 09:42 PM
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Scharnhorst1943
01-13-2007, 12:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
I've been flying for years and to be honest I don't like full real.

When I get off the ground and on my way to the fight I like to hit F2 and look at my plane. The 109 is simply beautiful. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif
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Right on http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Also, for those of us who fly level bombers ... Wonder Woman view is the best way to get True Airspeed for the bombsight. It really boils down to what you want to do, and wheather you prefer fighters or bombers.

Half the reason I stick with this game is because of the external views. Just like Pirschjaeger, I always takeoff and land externally so I can watch my gear go up and down. Just little things like that.

SlowBurn68
01-13-2007, 01:49 AM
I have something to say here on the treatment of newcomers to the forum. (Like Me)

I have found most people on theses forums to be most helpful and rather nice. However, I just got back from serving a two week ban for asking about playing 46 without a CD.

At the time, I had no idea that No CD is a hack, and it's not susposed to be discussed in the forum (I don't even know what a hack is) - I just asked because I have been playing IL-2 forever without the CD, and I know theses forums told me how to do it.

Anyway, the issue I have with the ban, is that I got no warning, nothing. Instead of saying something like "hey that's a hack and we can't discuss it" all I get is "IBTL", "LOL IBTL", etc. then the post is removed without explanation. (what does IBTL mean?)

When I persist with the No CD question (because I have no idea what's going on and what I'm doing wrong) - bam! - two week ban no discussion, no warning, nothing.

So now I know that we should not discuss No CD on theses forums - Fine - I'm all for that. Did I have to be treated like that? Also, there was no way to identify who the admin was that baned me - nor is there any recourse to tell the admins your side of the story.

I know the admins deal with alot of idiots on theses forums, but I don't feel like I was treated fairly.

I said my peace.

Philipscdrw
01-13-2007, 03:29 AM
IBTL = In Before The Lock.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
It just makes a whole new experience when you are fyling full real, you have conversations like:

=======
Indianer, 7'clock low
rgr, can u id?
I'm on it, can't see it's markings
it's definatly a 190

need support at grid B4 bearing 120
======= </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PFFFT what a n00b!
There are NO conversations during missions!

More like

==========================
-cons B4@3k,three ,no ID hdg 256,
-rgr,reds for sure, my pos C7 eta 7mins keep em pinned down dont lose alt
-rgr; engaging.

===============================
etc.


Keep conversation out of the radio and cut messages as short possible to make maximum info flowing through the cable.

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DuxCorvan
01-13-2007, 04:33 AM
SlowBurn... ssssh!
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(You're not supposed even to discuss about discussions about you-know-what) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
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XyZspineZyX
01-13-2007, 06:49 AM
Hi slowburn68 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Your case is an unfortunate side-effect of how it's impossible to be 'fair' to a large group in all cases. Here, as with almost every other forum, when you agree to sign up, you essentially join a club and agree to adhere to all it's rules or risk punishment for breaking them

On one hand I agree, it's not really your fault- you didn't know better.

But on the other, only a very small percentage of people online do not know that generally, a no-CD 'patch' is a hack used to potentially illegally gain access to software- in other words, it's a sign of software piracy. Again, this isn't your fault per se, but the rules are put forth in a sticky topic on this very forum:

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In addition to the limitations set forth above, you will violate the Terms of Use if you in Ubi's sole discretion (or others using your Account) do any of the following:


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Post or communicate "Hate speech."

Organize or form or attempt to organize or form any groups online and/or among other Members or Guests based on slanderous or hate philosophies.

Modify any part of the Sites and/or Software without the prior written consent of Ubi.

Disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms or within Software that include chat functionality with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting [all caps] in an attempt to disturb other users, or flooding [posting repetitive text].

Impersonate another person (including celebrities), impersonate a Ubi employee or a representative of Ubi, attempt to mislead users by indicating that you represent Ubi or any of Ubi's partners or affiliates.

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The points in yellow, particularly the last one, are the potential rules you were breaking- unintentionally, I understand http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm not finding fault, I'm explaining

You received a 'vacation' http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif This is less severe than a permanent ban, which you could have been given

I agree it's harsh given the fact that you were unaware, but the Moderators and Admin won't launch an investigation into the issue if they see things like this http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif They gave you a warning, telling you in efffect to learn the rules this time. It is, to be fair to them, almost unheard of that a person doesn't know a 'hack' or 'crack' or 'no-cd fix' isn't potentially an illegal thing. Sometimes you have to live and learn http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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01-13-2007, 07:07 AM
Dux, you shouldn't mention what you're not supposed even to discuss about discussions about you-know-what. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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KaleunFreddie
01-13-2007, 07:22 AM
Errr!!... I'm thinking of running my game with the play disk in the drive.. would this be OK http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

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01-13-2007, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bearcat99:
The sim is made to flown.. it is made so that a total rookie with no flight sim experience whatsoever can check out the genre... and grow into it if he chooses.... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I'm reminded of my 6-year-old son who plays this game 3-4 days a week (and has been playing it for nearly a year!). He plays on "noob settings", but I think in his case it's totally justified. If this was a "full real" only sim, there's no way he'd be able to play it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WWMaxGunz
01-13-2007, 10:13 AM
Some newcomers are actually new and yet they come with the "this sucks" attitude of born trolls.
And they get the reception they deserve.

waffen-79
01-13-2007, 10:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by carguy_:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
It just makes a whole new experience when you are fyling full real, you have conversations like:

=======
Indianer, 7'clock low
rgr, can u id?
I'm on it, can't see it's markings
it's definatly a 190

need support at grid B4 bearing 120
======= </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

PFFFT what a n00b!
There are NO conversations during missions!

More like

==========================
-cons B4@3k,three ,no ID hdg 256,
-rgr,reds for sure, my pos C7 eta 7mins keep em pinned down dont lose alt
-rgr; engaging.

===============================
etc.


Keep conversation out of the radio and cut messages as short possible to make maximum info flowing through the cable.

You gots some more to learn,boy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

aww, come on mate, cut me some slack here http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif, you got to know that not everybody here are pro pilots, but like some say:

"whatever blows your hair back" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

point is; it gets a LOT immersive flying full realism. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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steve_v
01-13-2007, 11:32 AM
The topic is <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Treatment of newcomers... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please keep your comments on topic.

Rubylust
01-13-2007, 12:10 PM
Whenever I join a forum I read the rules and then rely on my favorite function assuming it works, that's the search. Anything and everything it seems to me has been discussed.

I'm still into this wonderwoman but marveling at the sophistication. It'll be a long time before I do it in the cockpit, especially with no icon indicators. For the Battle of Britian, I hhope its made without arrows.

JG53_Valantine
01-13-2007, 01:23 PM
Just keep hammering away at it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Eventually you will get there! The first kill you make with cockpit on is such a reward - especially as you have to fight hard to get it ans stay behind your target! Either way, we are all flying the same game - all be it in our own ways, the ways that are FUN to us or what we ENJOY http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

DuxCorvan
01-13-2007, 02:01 PM
Steve scares the newcomers. He should have a kitty a puppy or something lovely as avatar. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

KaleunFreddie
01-13-2007, 05:05 PM
Zee must have stepped on the V... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Ah! newcomers, are not we all, in times like these http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Te all ye newcomers.. olde and new. Yah need a skin thick as a cows.. bhind?, te play here.
Not only will ye be shot down on the servers, ye will be shot down on the forums, aye!
Pick yeselves up and say te the rest 'booger ya all' (you might get BANNED FOR THAT), 'booger ye all'.

I'll be back, on der servers, te shute ye wee tails and ye wings from under ya. AND on dah forums,
te show you my victory sign (you might get BANNED FOR THAT), te show you my victory sign..

yeh yeh yeh..... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif
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major_setback
01-13-2007, 05:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomtheyak:
I've been appalled at the some of the responses and the general attitude to newcomers and/or people who play at settings that might include icons, Wonder Woman view etc.

May I remind you that this game in it's current status would not be here without it's community, but ergo that community depends on keeping interest alive and fresh blood coming in. The way some people are attacked for broaching simple questions or showing enthusiasm for some apparently *low* form of the game is unforgivable and downright obnoxious. People are here because they enjoy the game or want to learn how to get the best out of it for them.

If someone wants to fly u/l ammo with no spins and stalls then thats his/her decision; that is how they best enjoy the game.

It's not up to anyone else to harangue them for it.

And if someone comes in here asking the obligatory favourites 'where's my gunsight' or 'plane stuck on carrier, won't move' question, why spend the time being obnoxius or ordering them to use the search function when it's just as easy to type in the helpful answer? Bear in mind they don't know its an FAQ.

The fishing post a few weeks ago is a case in point. Should it matter? No. I'm glad to see that a few members of the community jumped in to help straight of. And as for them being mocked for their 'gullability', well I say more respect for them. When in doubt I know I try to err on the side of pleasentness.

Perhaps some posters here should try that too. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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I would be in favour of warning/banning anyone who was rude to newcomers.
I'm surprised that some people even return for a second post the way that they are treated here (by mods too! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif).<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ken_Det
01-13-2007, 08:08 PM
What waffen said http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I think a lot of us climbed the latter, if not all of us.<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
Well this is a SIM after all and you have to be able to climb up in the difficulty settings being "Full REALISM" the goal

It just makes a whole new experience when you are fyling full real, you have conversations like:

=======
Indianer, 7'clock low
rgr, can u id?
I'm on it, can't see it's markings
it's definatly a 190

need support at grid B4 bearing 120
=======

But some chaps here just RELY in the somewhat defensive tactics like not beign seen to survive and score some kills

They couldn't last a minute on the so called "ww arcadish servers"

I say..if you know your ride, and always fly cockpit ON no matter the server, then you're good everywhere....

some servers I can reccomend are the UKDed ones

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Tully__
01-14-2007, 06:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
I'm sure it'd soon be better if some morons here would stop posting those idiotic, meaningless fake threads.

Mods could start with an IP search if the "beginner" seems fake and have a bit more punishment, like a two week ban or so for the faker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Regardless of whether the post is fake or note, another newcomer is not going to know so it's important to treat ALL newcomers as genuine.

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F19_Ob
01-14-2007, 08:20 AM
good Topic. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

Being a newcomer is always difficult, and here we often take the flying jargon and terminology for granted.

We really should take good care of any newcomer and try to help adapting them. As the author says " our community depends on keeping interest alive and fresh blood coming in".
Actually the advanced flightsims survival depends on a great number of peoples interest in it.
The learning curve is very steep for a pilot who wants to become an expert.
Plenty of stuff can discourage him/her on the way.
I'd like to paint it like this; 'If he gives up, we just lost some more hairs on our balding head.'

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T_O_A_D
01-14-2007, 09:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Mods could start with an IP search if the "beginner" seems fake and have a bit more punishment, like a two week ban or so for the faker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that would be great if this Forum software worked properly. It can take up to 15 minutes to do that, and then odds are 99% of the time it will say Page not found. This software is weak to say the least. I tried the otherday to search one out, on an obvious fishing trip to me, and got page not found. Well with no facts to base my assumtions and the thread wasn't out of hand I just moved on.

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SlowBurn68
01-14-2007, 10:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Mods could start with an IP search if the "beginner" seems fake and have a bit more punishment, like a two week ban or so for the faker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that would be great if this Forum software worked properly. It can take up to 15 minutes to do that, and then odds are 99% of the time it will say Page not found. This software is weak to say the least. I tried the otherday to search one out, on an obvious fishing trip to me, and got page not found. Well with no facts to base my assumtions and the thread wasn't out of hand I just moved on.

If your an old Hand, and caught fishing without a license, I will take your rod and reel, baot and all away for a spell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

What does "fishing" or "fishing trip" mean?

Rjel
01-14-2007, 10:51 AM
One aspect of this discussion that makes my blood boil is when a newcomer asks a question that might have been answered a hundred times. It isn't that he asks the question again, it's when the response is a nasty worded "use the search function". Criminy, if you've got the time to answer the question that way, take the time to just answer the question. If you don't know the answer, don't show your self indowed superiority by being snotty in your reply.

We need to remember, this sim has been around a long time. You might come up with several pages of information to wade thru to find what is needed when doing a search. What a turnoff for someone trying out a sim like this for the first time. Sometimes, most times, it's just a simple question that takes a couple of lines to help out. Why turn someone away if it's that simple?

I don't think this questionable type of behavior is limited to just this website either. It seems to be on a lot of sim related sites. Too many egos sometimes.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LStarosta
01-14-2007, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Mods could start with an IP search if the "beginner" seems fake and have a bit more punishment, like a two week ban or so for the faker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that would be great if this Forum software worked properly. It can take up to 15 minutes to do that, and then odds are 99% of the time it will say Page not found. This software is weak to say the least. I tried the otherday to search one out, on an obvious fishing trip to me, and got page not found. Well with no facts to base my assumtions and the thread wasn't out of hand I just moved on.

If your an old Hand, and caught fishing without a license, I will take your rod and reel, baot and all away for a spell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where do I obtain said license?

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Pirschjaeger
01-14-2007, 12:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
It seems to be on a lot of sim related sites. Too many egos sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the part that cracks me up. Although I enjoy the flying virtual WW2 airplanes, it hasn't gotten me any babes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's face it, we're not exactly a bunch of Fonzis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Rjel
01-14-2007, 01:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
It seems to be on a lot of sim related sites. Too many egos sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the part that cracks me up. Although I enjoy the flying virtual WW2 airplanes, it hasn't gotten me any babes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's face it, we're not exactly a bunch of Fonzis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? Just the opposite has happened to me. It's helped my career too along with winning the Nobel Prize. Yup, lifes been grand since I started flying IL2. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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LStarosta
01-14-2007, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
It seems to be on a lot of sim related sites. Too many egos sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the part that cracks me up. Although I enjoy the flying virtual WW2 airplanes, it hasn't gotten me any babes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's face it, we're not exactly a bunch of Fonzis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Speak fo yoself, busta.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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BrewsterPilot
01-14-2007, 01:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BrewsterPilot:
Mods could start with an IP search if the "beginner" seems fake and have a bit more punishment, like a two week ban or so for the faker. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well that would be great if this Forum software worked properly. It can take up to 15 minutes to do that, and then odds are 99% of the time it will say Page not found. This software is weak to say the least. I tried the otherday to search one out, on an obvious fishing trip to me, and got page not found. Well with no facts to base my assumtions and the thread wasn't out of hand I just moved on.

If your an old Hand, and caught fishing without a license, I will take your rod and reel, baot and all away for a spell. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know.
50% of the time I try to log on here it takes AGES to load if it loads at all, and 25% of the time when it actually loads when I click on a topic it says something like

"Error the requested page (123456789) was not found".
Ubi, care to get some stronger servers & clean the bugs out of the forum software?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DuxCorvan
01-14-2007, 01:55 PM
Yup, I've got the white "system error" screen quite a few times lately.

BTW, I propose the derogatory, patronizing and discouraging terms "beginner" and "newcomer" to be forbidden and ***-filtered, and use the more positive and politically correct "future expert" instead, or even "our new friend".

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han freak solo
01-14-2007, 03:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Fonzis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif OMG Fonzis http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VMF-214_HaVoK
01-14-2007, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Rjel:
It seems to be on a lot of sim related sites. Too many egos sometimes. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's the part that cracks me up. Although I enjoy the flying virtual WW2 airplanes, it hasn't gotten me any babes. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's face it, we're not exactly a bunch of Fonzis. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Speak fo yoself! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Taylortony
01-14-2007, 03:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
Well this is a SIM after all and you have to be able to climb up in the difficulty settings being "Full REALISM" the goal </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Why? I personally have been playing this game since the first day of release of the original IL2 in the UK.......... I have felt absolutly No urge to climb up the settings to Full
Realism as you say. In fact I loth the Full Realism setting as it is far from real life.

There is nothing Full Real about it....... It is a game played on a home PC in front of a Monitor and always will be, true it is a good game, but a game all the same.... period.

You do not have any comparison to the views sitting in real fighters, trust me the ones you have in game are nothing like it.



And now for the treatment of New Users, I must admit I do stick my oar into posts asking people if they do not know then shut up and do not spam the threads.........

These people are here to have a good time and enjoy their new game, to come into a new forum and post asking for help and get instantly pounced on and derided by some anally retentive person acting like some prepubescent Schoolboy with an urge to rub up against something shouting noob, you need to be flying "Full and Not So Real" etc etc etc and such like dross...

It does nothing to further the new users enjoyment of the game and help with their queries, in fact it does the opposite, all you do is drive off people that think, hey I would like to give this a go online.......... but if the holier than yo attitude of some people in here in these threads is anything to go by I don't think I will bother......... so we lose another potential online player and the decline starts to set in.......

Funny thing is, I have been around this forum for a long time, perhaps too long, but you know, some of the stupid posts I see are from people I can remember coming onto the forum for the very first time asking for help, which I as others did....................

Some of those same people I can remember helping out get started in here too....perhaps they should remember that before they deride newcomers with their limited cranial capacity..

Luckily I was helped out by some really helpful people and have tried to maintain that standard as my personal level by returning the favour to others.....

LEXX_Luthor
01-14-2007, 07:00 PM
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Taylortony:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Realism as you say. In fact I loth the Full Realism setting as it is far from real life. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I prefer hardcore FM/DM/WM/ET (ET=Elevator Trim) all the way, despite occasional accusations to the contrary (http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif). But, everybody here knows you TT are as hardcore FB/PF aircraft skin modder as they get, and what you say makes alot of sense -- "Full Real" is not Real Life -- and is pretty much why I say modelling an immersive air war environment, or air warfare situation (not just natural environment), is the blade that cuts across the traditional and limited cfs webboard idea of flight model gameplay settings. Hardcore air warfare simulation, immersively modelled, can be played equally well with "hard" or "easy" gameplay settings. Someday, the developers will figure this out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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gkll
01-15-2007, 12:04 AM
With the new guys - try and give some balance, use your common sense. And try to avoid elitism....

A while back some guy shows up and wants some advice on dogfighting... as a noob the description of the problem is pretty vague and hard to sort, but I get the sense he is just boring in trying to get a kill... a real knife fight scenario. And he's getting slaughtered and wants some advice. The advice back is.... don't knife fight. TnB is for noobs, start with E tactics right away, a close in fight is for losers etc etc. I mean not exactly that blunt but thats the feel of it, pretty clearly. So this is helpful? ...it's an example parallel to the relentless and illogical elitism around 'Full Real' or more tactfully (or correctly) 'Full Switch'.

The tone of that thread was not the best... I wondered if we lost a sale? Because I agree the numbers are down and venue stagnating, lot of fractured and entrenched views on things.... probably not a good sign.

Anyways a guy shows up, give fair and balanced advice and use your common sense.... this guy could hardly tell you what was happening, he had no idea. Clearly he was going to need help with the close-in stuff first, you guys remember the puzzle in geometry this game was initially... we didn't pop onto this game as fully formed experts in 3d estimation using limited 2d input... particularly if it was our first flight sim.

HotelBushranger
01-15-2007, 04:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Well this is a SIM after all and you have to be able to climb up in the difficulty settings being "Full REALISM" the goal </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry but NO you don't have to be able to climb up the settings. You can do whatever you damn well want! That's why you have the option to change the settings in the first place! Attitudes like that only serve to further discourage new players from staying.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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