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Gbucket
09-17-2004, 08:35 AM
This week's development update has been added to the site.


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This week we're showing the Kawanishi N1K-J "Shiden", Kawasaki Ki-61 "Hien" and the Mitsubishi G4M1-11 Betty.

The update is available now by clicking here (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development.php)

[This message was edited by UbiRazz on Fri September 17 2004 at 08:37 AM.]

Gbucket
09-17-2004, 08:35 AM
This week's development update has been added to the site.


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<td>http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/170904/Mitsubishi_Ki-67_3_s.jpg (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development.php)</td>

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This week we're showing the Kawanishi N1K-J "Shiden", Kawasaki Ki-61 "Hien" and the Mitsubishi G4M1-11 Betty.

The update is available now by clicking here (http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/fb_development.php)

[This message was edited by UbiRazz on Fri September 17 2004 at 08:37 AM.]

luthier1
09-17-2004, 08:53 AM
Aircraft titled "Mitsubishi Ki-67 "Hiryu" is in actuality a Mitsubishi G4M1-11 Betty.

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actionhank1786
09-17-2004, 09:15 AM
And here i was thinking they were just damn similar...
Thanks for sorting that out


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Gbucket
09-17-2004, 09:20 AM
*cough*, yeah, urm.. Sorry about that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by UbiRazz on Fri September 17 2004 at 08:36 AM.]

wuggle85
09-17-2004, 09:34 AM
fantastic update guys as allways
3 WEEKS NOW

look in the first pictures of the aircraft lined up one thing that struk me THEY HAVE PILOTS IN THEM could this mean a possible taxi waypiont?

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CrazyDonut
09-17-2004, 09:48 AM
Stupid qustion

For me it looks like gunpods on the N1 shiden eeeeh what i know of this plane didnt come with gunpods, i just belived that all 4 cannons was in the wings or is this a special model....???? i realy doent care cause this plane is my ride...not the cats not the f4u but this one...just puzles my mind with those "werry gun pod like" things under the wing

wuggle85
09-17-2004, 09:58 AM
i think thay are gunpods in fact im sure tyhere gunpods

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Tater-SW-
09-17-2004, 10:03 AM
The fact they mislabeled it as a Peggy might mean we can expect a Peggy (why name it a plane type you don't ever plan to have?)

tater

huggy87
09-17-2004, 11:44 AM
Great update guys. I can't wait to buy it.

Any chance of a complete list of aircraft yet? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Penguin_PFF
09-17-2004, 12:06 PM
N1K1-J:

2x Type 97 in the nose
2x Type 99-1 Mod 3, wings;
2x Type 99-1 Mod 3, underwing gondolas.

N1K1-Ja: Same as plain J mod, without Type 97s.
N1K1-Jb: 4x Type 99-2 Mod 4, all in the wings. Very much outnumbered by the J and Ja models.

N1K2-J Shiden-Kai, an entirely different aircraft, carried 4x Type 99-2 Mod 4 like the Jb Shiden model.

sugaki
09-17-2004, 12:09 PM
I wonder if that means the Ki-67 Hiryu is in the game ....that'd be so awesome. Was such a great twin-engined bomber, underappreciated becase by the time it came out it lacked good fighter cover.

CrazyDonut
09-17-2004, 12:24 PM
tx Penguin_PFF ......glad you cleared up some stuff for me... tx again m8

Cloyd
09-17-2004, 01:33 PM
Hmmm, the speed bar in the update shows heading only. Is that new, or did I just miss it? I know this has been a requested feature, but I hadn't seen it before.

Cloyd

weasel75
09-17-2004, 02:16 PM
Great, great, just great1
Looking forward to the release. And I wouldnt even mind if it take a (little!) longer just to be even more polished http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks - W75

BTW: do we get a radiator that can be used in both ways (open and close)??
This would make HOTAS much better and one day I would hope to fly without that text on the right side.

Ohh.. and another thing: head-movement a'la LOMAC .. I mean that you can see, where the pilot is looking to? Does not need to be a high-res, with two bytes (2 axis) per net-package/update this should be detailed enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
In Lomac that is a nice feature, makes screenshots much better, and when flying in close formation in PF this would make the custom pilot-skins really shine http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

9th_Spitin
09-17-2004, 02:22 PM
Enough with the screen shots, give me the game.

How about some screenies with AA and AF on so we can really see the detail.

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Ketalar
09-17-2004, 03:38 PM
Great update! Always fun to see some Japanese planes. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Did anyone else notice something different in the screenies? Look again, closer. Need a hint? How's this:
1) The spinning prop on the "Shiden" looks different, it's not a perfect disc but rather looks split into quadrants.
2) The Speedbar... Look at the Speedbar!!! It reads HDG xxx deg. Where's the ALT and SPD? Are we finally going to be able to select the variables shown in the Speedbar so we can fly full-real with just the HDG shown? That'd be a great compromise for the planes with hiddan compasses!

I know I might be jumping to conclusions, but I'll stay happy until it's being denied by someone on the team. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Ps
Looks like Cloyd beat me on number 2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

joberrick
09-17-2004, 03:44 PM
Nice update guys, thx. Still no Dauntless http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif Even still guys I appriciate it!

Penguin_PFF
09-17-2004, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ketalar:
1) The spinning prop on the "Shiden" looks different, it's not a perfect disc but rather looks split into quadrants.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be a by-product of three things:
1. The Shiden had a big fat 4-bladed prop and
2. The way propellers are constructed for the game and
3. The way propellers are rendered in-game.

There is no "mistake" or "problem", before anybody goes off on some silly tangent... It doesn't look all that different from the few photos of actual Shiden in-flight.

actionhank1786
09-17-2004, 04:01 PM
wait wait, is the Shinder-Kai the version of that big boy we have in CFS2? 'cause i love that thing...mmmmm big cannons
And is the Toryu the Tony?
Isnt that the 2 engined fighter, and if i remember right did some have that "shrang Musik" type thing that some German aircraft experimented with where the Canon's fired up at a 45 degree angle?
I hope so!


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Ketalar
09-17-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Penguin_PFF:
That would be a by-product of three things:
1. The Shiden had a big fat 4-bladed prop and
2. The way propellers are constructed for the game and
3. The way propellers are rendered in-game.

There is no "mistake" or "problem", before anybody goes off on some silly tangent... It doesn't look all that different from the few photos of actual Shiden in-flight.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Penguin: I meant that to be a good thing. Many have complained about the discs, and I figured this might make everyone happy. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Penguin_PFF
09-17-2004, 04:13 PM
A positive statement, in here? My god, what are you, sick? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

I was more concerned with getting the prop color right than about how the disc was rendered, because that was largely out of my control. The spinning prop color is actually a texture custom to the Shiden, because it had a big 4-blade license-built VDM with markings specific to that prop.

VW-IceFire
09-17-2004, 06:50 PM
That Shiden looks very good. I think that'll be a Japanese plane for me to fly and master I think. I like the looks and I like the 4 20mm cannons...I think I like most planes with that sort of armament http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (Tempest, FW190, Shiden? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

Thats the N1K1 Shiden. There's the N1J-2 (or something) thats the Shiden-Kai. Its got all its 20mm in the wings. Not used until the invasion of Japan as far as I know. I think with the N1K1 it was a matter of 2 20mm not being considered enough so they added the gondolas.

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Penguin_PFF
09-17-2004, 09:17 PM
Firepower was a concern with the plane throughout its service life (which was actually pretty short compared to other country's types). They kept tweaking, taking out the 7.7s but adding higher-velocity guns with 100-round drums, then belt-fed guns with magazines, and so on... They really should have been working on durability, speed, performance at altitude, and reliability. Then again that was the overall problem with Japanese aircraft design. They really didn't want to change their core philosophy to counter Allied airpower at all.

Even the Shiden-Kai largely suffered from the same problems as the Shiden... Mechanical reliability and performance at altitude were drawbacks. Range wasn't all that great either.

TimTam27
09-18-2004, 12:46 AM
Congrats to the modellers of the aircraft in the update. All of them have captured the look of their aircraft very well. I am also very relieved to see that the paint chipping has been kept to the appropriate level. The wear on the Shiden in particular looks spot-on.

Penguin-PFF has obviously done his research on the colours too, those on his Shiden closely following the latest thinking by the colour experts at j-aircraft.

xanty
09-18-2004, 02:27 AM
It is indeed a "hat-off" work here. Well done people!

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heywooood
09-18-2004, 12:34 PM
thanks to all the modelers involved - hats off be sure...

xanty - the Kingfisher looks great is it ready for PF as AI already?

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USN_Bostimax79
09-18-2004, 11:07 PM
I love that George-brings a tear to my eye. Can't wait tot climb into some of those birds-Is that Betty Flyable?
Bosti

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xanty
09-19-2004, 01:58 AM
Heywoood... no, not even the main LOD is completed. I am short of time lately, and I needed a break. I am skinning it on my spare time, but it is a slow one. Perhaps for Xmas i can finish it. Sorry. It is not even sure it will be a PF bird. But thanks for the interest.

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GT182
09-19-2004, 08:57 AM
Sweet pics! Oh the agony of waiting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

One thing that still amazes me is the pilots turning their heads to look around at whoever is attacking them. No other flightsim/game that I've seen does that.

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Penguin_PFF
09-19-2004, 10:11 AM
The pilots surprise me too, but in a different way. The George looks for all the world like a big huge radial fighter, but it's actually quite small (12m wingspan, 2,900kg empty weight). Seeing the virtual pilot crammed into what is in fact a rather tiny virtual cockpit is a bit of a surprise.

heywooood
09-19-2004, 10:24 AM
xanty - thanks

I think the work you guys do is tremendous.

you are all extremely talented.

Penguin - engine, pilot, guns and gas....... a few rounds of ammo and nil armour plating.
Some engineers wrapped them all into a perty tight space, no?

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DL Moffet
09-19-2004, 07:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
wait wait, is the Shinder-Kai the version of that big boy we have in CFS2? 'cause i love that thing...mmmmm big cannons
And is the Toryu the Tony?
Isnt that the 2 engined fighter, and if i remember right did some have that "shrang Musik" type thing that some German aircraft experimented with where the Canon's fired up at a 45 degree angle?
I hope so!

Just to be helpful: It's called "Schrage Musik" which means "Jazz Music". It was triggered automatically by the shadow of the target aircraft, you just fly under your target and when you pass under it ugly things supposedly happen to the target. If I remember correctly - I'm doing this off the top of my head - it was mounted on the Me-163 Komet. I am uncertain if it was ever actually employed...but I could look it up.
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Snootles
09-19-2004, 08:59 PM
Actually the "Nick" is the Ki-45 Toryu. The "Tony" in the update is the Ki-61 Hien.

The Hien is most certainly flyable. The Toryu? Haven't heard anything at all about it, AI or not, but it would be a serious sin of omission not to have it.

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