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koivis
03-04-2006, 06:06 AM
I know these planes appear already in game as U (Umr√ľst Baus√¬§tze) or factory modifications of A-4 and A-5 versions.

Ingame A-4/A-5 variants are:
Fw 190A-4/U1 = propably, according to sources, a derated fighter-bomber with BMW 801C-2 engine, I don't know why it's modelled ingame cos who wants to fly slower plane or if it's derated ingame actually at all...
Fw 190A-4/U3 = prototype for Fw 190F-1 fighter-bomber without MG FFs, a good choice
Fw 190A-4/U8 = prototype for Fw 190G-1 long-range fighter-bomber, again a good variant with only MG 151/20s but two 300 liter drop tanks
Fw 190A-4/R1 = as it should be, a normal A-4 with a bomb, armament unchanged. What is weird, the real R-6 with WGr 21 rockets is also named R1...
The A-4 seems fine except for strange U1, but A-5 has more weird options:
Fw 190A-5/U2 = long range-fighter bomber with drop tanks and a camera, but ingame we have no use for reconnassaince versions. Also, it's not known how many were made or were there any at all! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Fw 190A-5/U3 = same as A-4/U3 but for F-2
Fw 190A-5/U8 = same as A-4/U8 but for G-2
Fw 190A-5/U17 = true groudpounder with 700 kg of bombs, prototype for Fw 190F-3 but seems to lack the real F-series cowl MG 17 guns
R-1 versions are the same as for A-4 except introduction of AB-500 bomb

What we should do is get maybe get rid of A-4/U1 and A-5/U2, and at least add MG 17s for A-5/U-17.

The A-6 variant did'nt have U-kits at all unlike in game, but me might want add one version called Fw 190G-3, cos it was built on A-6 basis, was otherwise similar to G-2 variant but had an option for wing mounted 250 kg bombs (and of course droptanks). It also had similar powerboost to F-8, which was usable only under 1000 m. It was also very similar to later G-8 variant.

Here are my sources:
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm
http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/fw190.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Fw190.htm
and ingame variants:
http://www.partizanska-eskadrila.com/reference/190.html

Oleg, I want you to respond!

koivis
03-04-2006, 06:06 AM
I know these planes appear already in game as U (Umr√ľst Baus√¬§tze) or factory modifications of A-4 and A-5 versions.

Ingame A-4/A-5 variants are:
Fw 190A-4/U1 = propably, according to sources, a derated fighter-bomber with BMW 801C-2 engine, I don't know why it's modelled ingame cos who wants to fly slower plane or if it's derated ingame actually at all...
Fw 190A-4/U3 = prototype for Fw 190F-1 fighter-bomber without MG FFs, a good choice
Fw 190A-4/U8 = prototype for Fw 190G-1 long-range fighter-bomber, again a good variant with only MG 151/20s but two 300 liter drop tanks
Fw 190A-4/R1 = as it should be, a normal A-4 with a bomb, armament unchanged. What is weird, the real R-6 with WGr 21 rockets is also named R1...
The A-4 seems fine except for strange U1, but A-5 has more weird options:
Fw 190A-5/U2 = long range-fighter bomber with drop tanks and a camera, but ingame we have no use for reconnassaince versions. Also, it's not known how many were made or were there any at all! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif
Fw 190A-5/U3 = same as A-4/U3 but for F-2
Fw 190A-5/U8 = same as A-4/U8 but for G-2
Fw 190A-5/U17 = true groudpounder with 700 kg of bombs, prototype for Fw 190F-3 but seems to lack the real F-series cowl MG 17 guns
R-1 versions are the same as for A-4 except introduction of AB-500 bomb

What we should do is get maybe get rid of A-4/U1 and A-5/U2, and at least add MG 17s for A-5/U-17.

The A-6 variant did'nt have U-kits at all unlike in game, but me might want add one version called Fw 190G-3, cos it was built on A-6 basis, was otherwise similar to G-2 variant but had an option for wing mounted 250 kg bombs (and of course droptanks). It also had similar powerboost to F-8, which was usable only under 1000 m. It was also very similar to later G-8 variant.

Here are my sources:
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm
http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/fw190.htm
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Fw190.htm
and ingame variants:
http://www.partizanska-eskadrila.com/reference/190.html

Oleg, I want you to respond!

DuxCorvan
03-04-2006, 06:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by koivis:

Fw 190A-4/U1 = propably, according to sources, a derated fighter-bomber with BMW 801C-2 engine, I don't know why it's modelled ingame cos who wants to fly slower plane or if it's derated ingame actually at all... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I want to fly it, if the historical circumstances of the mission or campaign requires it. Sims are not only dogfight competitions. Planes are not the only thing to simulate in a good flight simulator, campaigns and facts are also to be recreated.

In real life, they had not the option of choosing the best or fastest plane. They had to do their best with what it was available.

That's why I really don't care about that 'Quest for the uberfighter' with every DF jock constantly asking the last and definitive late war superversion of their favourite planes.

That kind of thinking -and its influence over the development staff- is what has completely ruined the offline campaign experience -and cooperative online- and converted FB/AEP/PF into the best and more complete... warbird museum parade show.

A pity, that such potential for immersive recreation, has derived in an armament career among onliners instead.

koivis
03-04-2006, 11:14 AM
I mean if A-4 variant is available online, no-one will fly the slower de-rated version http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif (even it is realistic). Is that weaker engine btw modelled in game? Anybody know?

What I really want, is the minor bugs corrected, a G-3 and/or G-8 variant, more loadouts for every variant, especially for F-8. A fighter versions of early A-series would also be really nice.

I think the Fw 190 version list should propably look like this:
A-4 + U1,U3,U8 (we have it now)
A-4 fighter with 1,42 boost and option for no MG FFs w/o the bombrack...
A-5 + U2,U3,U8,U17 (we have it also)
A-5 1,65 ATA + U-packs (also this we have)
A-5/A-6 1,65 fighter version (similar as A-4)
A-8 (alreaydy ingame)
A-9 (yep)
F-8 (more loadouts please, R4Ms, 1000 kg bombs... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif)
G-3 or G-8 (not modelled yet, engine and cockpit from F-8, fuselage from A-6, and armament and loadouts from A-5/U8 / G-2)
D-9 (yep)
and Ta 152H-1
Ta 152C-1 would be nice also...

This would make max 13 different planes which isn't too much, especially when some can be built from models and weapons we already have.

TheGozr
03-04-2006, 03:01 PM
Par rapport au Messerschmitt Bf-109 G-2, son principal adversaire, le Yak-9 √©tait plus rapide en dessous de 4500 m et mettait 25 s de moins pour grimper √ 5000 m (5 mn 20 pour le Bf-109). La maniabilit√© √ basse altitude √©tait le v√©ritable point fort du Yak et de nombreux chasseurs allemands s'√©cras√¬®rent au sol en perte de vitesse pour avoir voulu suivre leur adversaire en virage serr√©.

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Compared to Messerschmitt Bf-109 G-2, its principal adversary, Yak-9 was faster below 4500 m and put 25 Seconds of less to climb to 5000 m (5 mn 20 for Bf-109G2). The handiness at low altitude was the true strong point of Yak and of many German hunters were crushed on the ground in loss speed to have wanted to follow their adversary in tight turn.

koivis
03-05-2006, 09:39 AM
What was that comment supposed to mean? How comparison between Yaks and Messerscmitts relate to the subject?

Vipez-
03-05-2006, 11:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by TheGozr:
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Compared to Messerschmitt Bf-109 G-2, its principal adversary, Yak-9 was faster below 4500 m and put 25 Seconds of less to climb to 5000 m (5 mn 20 for Bf-109G2). The handiness at low altitude was the true strong point of Yak and of many German hunters were crushed on the ground in loss speed to have wanted to follow their adversary in tight turn. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm..? Yak9 with Klimov M-105PF is not faster at any altitude, than 109G2, it's more close to 109G-6. Top speed at sealevel about 520 kmh, about 599 kmh at 5000 meters. Same values for 109G2 535-540 kmh at sealevel, and it was about 70kmh faster than Yak9 over 5K, and also climbed better.. Yes it turned slightly better due to lower wingloading (below 300 kmh), but I'd still choose the G-2 over Yak9 anyday, speed is what keeps you alive. And G-2 is only about 150 kg heavier, than Yak-9.. Not that this has anything to do with the topic..

mynameisroland
03-06-2006, 10:49 AM
Communist Propaganda declares the Yak series of piston engined fighters to be the best of WW2 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif