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mean_mango
12-29-2005, 01:15 PM
Finally a little news on the next Microsoft flight simulator:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=413020&st=0&#entry586976529

Sure, MS can't hold a candle to 1C:Maddox sims, but sometimes you just want to fly a 747 IFR VOR course from Ottawa to Chicago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

mean_mango
12-29-2005, 01:15 PM
Finally a little news on the next Microsoft flight simulator:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=413020&st=0&#entry586976529 (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=413020&st=0&#entry586976529)

Sure, MS can't hold a candle to 1C:Maddox sims, but sometimes you just want to fly a 747 IFR VOR course from Ottawa to Chicago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Zeus-cat
12-29-2005, 01:31 PM
I just can't get into civilian flight sims. I need guns, cannons, roskets and bombs!

Zeus-cat

neural_dream
12-29-2005, 03:01 PM
I like the new features http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. At last ships, people, cars, even herds. And they'll add my no1 favorite plane, the Grumman Goose
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:bfm171jzOvcJ:http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/ac/jrf_grumman_goose.jpg

Do you know that some people use FS2004 for archaeological research. They're "flying" over the globe looking for unusual things, like that Italian who discovered an ancient Roman villa with Google Earth [ http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050912/full/050912-6.html ].

Cool hobby, innit? Btw, there's a freeware with which you can have your virtual plane realtime depicted in your google earth, and the approximate position after 1 min or so.

Waldo.Pepper
12-29-2005, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zeus-cat:
I just can't get into civilian flight sims. I need guns, cannons, roskets and bombs!

Zeus-cat </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly.

The day I find sitting in front of a computer and simulating taking off and flying on schedule to another place exciting, is the day I either:

Buy a real train set and turn the basement in to The sad old man express.

or

Start gardening.

or

Buy a gun and blow my head off.

capt_frank
12-29-2005, 03:50 PM
i just hope they improve the terrain texture! splotchy blocks just don't cut it...

bazzaah2
12-29-2005, 04:06 PM
Great! I can pertend to whisk my girlfriend off to the Maldives! We don't even have to go anywhere, we can just sit back and enjoy a 10 hour flight in front of my PC screen.

Da_Godfatha
12-29-2005, 04:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mean_mango:
Finally a little news on the next Microsoft flight simulator:

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=413020&st=0&#entry586976529 (http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=413020&amp;st=0&amp;#entry586976529)

Sure, MS can't hold a candle to 1C:Maddox sims, but sometimes you just want to fly a 747 IFR VOR course from Ottawa to Chicago. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sorry dude, but your last comment is NOT right. The only thing 1C and Maddox games has over Micro$ucs is the graphics. The M$ range of simulators has sold and IS still selling better than the whole FB,AEP,FB games.

Yes, yes, I know, CFS3 was a bomb, but have you played OFF? At least in CFS3 the LOADOUTS were all there and correct. I play it because I can fly a Typhoon and a Mossie. (dream on dudes, it will NEVER come to PF. If you believe that, I have some ocean-front property to sell you in Arizona.)

Both games have their fan communities. Funny thing is, I never see on a M$ flight sim forum anyone slamming this game. But you see alot of hate here against M$.

Both have their Pro's and Con's. I have all M$ combat flight sims, and FS2002. I ALSO have all of the IL-2 series, (including the original).

I say to each his own.

SOLO_Bones
12-29-2005, 05:43 PM
Sounds great!

After I've finished playing MS "Paint Drying Simulator" I'll have to check it out. This one's great, the paint goes on wet and kind of shiny then throughout several hours of watching your PC screen it gets dry and sort of less shiny.

Ow, that was facetious.

skabbe
12-29-2005, 06:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SOLO_Bones:
Sounds great!

After I've finished playing MS "Paint Drying Simulator" I'll have to check it out. This one's great, the paint goes on wet and kind of shiny then throughout several hours of watching your PC screen it gets dry and sort of less shiny.

Ow, that was facetious. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

LEXX_Luthor
12-29-2005, 11:52 PM
What's the point? We already have Windows.

darkhorizon11
12-29-2005, 11:56 PM
Ahh there apples and oranges. MS pretty much failed in its aerial combat simulator but they do make one hell of a civilian sim. Ms2002 saved me at least a grand when I was preparing for my instrument checkride! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Given its a world war two sim but if BOB could incorporate NDBs, ILS's, and the primative VORs they had at the time I would die a happy man...

LEXX_Luthor
12-30-2005, 12:05 AM
darkhorizon:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Ms2002 saved me at least a grand when I was preparing for my instrument checkride! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Okay, you got me. That's a great point. I think the PC Sims reduce the cost of training by making you familiar with alot of the stuff first. Is that Correct Thinking?

neural_dream
12-30-2005, 12:12 AM
That's not really why MSFS is THE most successful sim in the history of gaming Lexx http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. It's more about getting your fix until you buy that first Cessna http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.

Feathered_IV
12-30-2005, 02:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I like the new features . At last ships, people, cars, even herds. And they'll add my no1 favorite plane, the Grumman Goose </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Herds? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Gibbage1
12-30-2005, 03:40 AM
I know of 747 pilots who fly MSFS. He said it keeps him sharp for qualifications without having to pay a LOT of money for sim time or taking a big bird up.

Its a huge seller, and thats why I now model for it. I wish it did have guns nad a DM system, but at least I can make some wicked sick models with insane detail.

http://www.gibbageart.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1 (http://www.gibbageart.com/modules.php?name=Content&amp;pa=showpage&amp;pid=1)

mean_mango
12-30-2005, 08:21 AM
True Da_Godfatha, grafx (specifically land detail) is primarily where 1C outshines MS, but that is a pretty important factor. High detail on the ground really augments the feeling of *leaving the ground* on take-off, and makes landings a lot scarier!

But still, apples and oranges. MS FS2004 is a superb civil flight sim and it's amazing what you can learn and practice in terms of real world flight. This is real simulation. Just as "Stick and Rudder" promotes knowledge and understanding that is completely applicable to Air-Combat-Maneuver in IL2, you can use real world instrument and navigation course material (i.e. professionalpilot.ca) to learn how to do the real deal on MSFS. Of course this can save pilots hundreds of dollars! Just practicing your radial scan while preparing for an instrument exam is worth it! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

WWSensei
12-30-2005, 09:02 AM
I fly FS2004 all the time. While overall graphics in IL2 are better and, of course, 1C wins in air combat hands down, Microsoft beats the pants off of 1C when it comes flying. I mean real flying with weather, and component failures, correct approachs and communication protocols. Flight planning, shooting fix-to-fix navigation etc.

There is a hell of a lot more to flying that 1C leaves out (wind anyone?) that a sim like FS2004 can deliver. Complex Engine management in IL2 is still a joke in terms of real complexity.

I don't even fly the big heavies just GA aircraft with one exception--a pay add-on I got of the Cessna T-37 Tweet. Bar none, it is the most accurate simulation of an aircraft I've seen without getting into full motion simulators. The Tweet model was built by Tweet instructor pilots and they got it right--bang on...

http://www.t37sim.com/

I'm not affiliated with these guys at all, jsut really impressed with what they did.

Best way to describe is that IL2 is the best WW2 combat simulator. Something like FS2004 (FS9) are better flight simulators.

neural_dream
12-30-2005, 09:29 AM
I think that 1C should realise we are very happy with the graphics and the damage and every combat aspect. What I feel many want is to introduce some more MSFS features, such as random breakdowns with historically accurate probability, improved weather, non-combat missions (rescue, recon, two-seater training ) etc.

Even simply adding maybe 1-2 more steps in the take-off procedure would be good for immersion. If all are explained with an interactive training mission at the beginning players will not come asking why the gear didn't go up and why the plane isn't moving on the carrier.

Gold_Monkey
12-30-2005, 10:47 AM
We also fly MS Flight sim online have been doing so since FS2000 version. Usually fly Beech Baron 58TC or Cessna amphibs, fly to local airports,recreate some of our RL cross country flights. We even have addon ground vehicles, last flight wes in Beech King Air from LAX to Las Vegas made instrument landings then "changed plane" to 1948 Indian motorcycles and cruised the Vegas Strip. Mostly a good "gabfest" amongst friends across the country.

BaldieJr
12-30-2005, 10:58 AM
Freeware Maule is the plane I fly more than any other. I have payware planes that are super-detailed and realistic to the nth degree, but the maule is hands-down more fun than any plane in any game.

If I can have road traffic + weather + UT-type lighting they can keep the new planes as long as my Maule works.

Add another vote for no-splotchiness. Looks great way up high. Down low = yakabelch