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blindpugh
07-30-2005, 09:49 AM
Anybody tried taxi-ing cr42--almost impossible.try a take -off also on new patch=****!!!

blindpugh
07-30-2005, 09:49 AM
Anybody tried taxi-ing cr42--almost impossible.try a take -off also on new patch=****!!!

HotelBushranger
07-30-2005, 08:52 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Just takes a lot of practice. Yeah,taxing is a real bugger, but once in the air its great fun http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ClnlSandersLite
07-31-2005, 01:37 AM
I believe this is a bug with the tail wheel bieng permanatly locked. Basically, it's too effective. Now, I'm NOT positive on that one. Therefore, don't go reporting it without doing a little research as to wether the tail wheel was fixed irl, or locking spinner, or non locking spinner. I'm not positive.

ElAurens
07-31-2005, 01:42 AM
Locked IRL or not, there is no way the real thing had ground handling this poor.

It's a bug, be sure.

ClnlSandersLite
07-31-2005, 04:03 AM
I don't know, it's a pretty light airplane. It may have relied on ground crews to set it into position. I don't know **** about that. Then again, I have doubts that the tail wheel would be quite as effective as it is. Like I said though, I don't know for sure.

OD_79
07-31-2005, 05:21 AM
Does it have a tail wheel or a skid? If it is a skid then there is your answer!

OD.

F19_Ob
07-31-2005, 05:48 AM
Hello mates.
Here is my taxiing trick.

I think clnlSandersLite may be right in that the groundcrew set it into position like with ww1 planes. Atleast I have seen plenty of fotage with guys around cr42's on either side and behind the plane. The cr42 has a Tailwheel and it looks solid and imovable but my quick search gave nothing.

However I can taxi and take off quite well with this below trick:

1. Hit brakes and hold them down while slowly throttling up to 35% power.

2. Push rudder and stick diagonally forward in the direction U want to turn.
The plane should move slowly on the spot and complete a 90' turn in about 10 seconds or less.

3. Be careful not to throttle up to fast and/or over 40% power because it may nose over.

Well, there it is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AlGroover
07-31-2005, 07:16 AM
Finally got around to downloading 4.01 - 11 hrs on dialup, saw your post and took a couple of flights in the Cr42. Try adding 8 to 10 clicks of right aileron trim and also trimming the elevator up before takeoff. Correct trim now seems critical for good flight and now needs to adjusted a lot in the air. Also I think this model has a solid tailwheel mount (no swivel) so no lock.

Stigler_9_JG52
07-31-2005, 11:08 AM
Looking at photos in my Squadron Signal pub on the Falco, it does indeed look like the tailwheel is locked in position. There are also photos of groundscrew assisting in taxiing.

On a similar subject.... on desert maps, I find it nearly impossible to tell the strip from the rough scrub surrounding it. A mistake here can easily stop your sortie before it starts, and you don't always have the luxury of using external views in some server settings. Would be nice to have a contrasting texture for the desert airstrips...

ClnlSandersLite
07-31-2005, 11:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Stigler_9_JG52:
On a similar subject.... on desert maps, I find it nearly impossible to tell the strip from the rough scrub surrounding it. A mistake here can easily stop your sortie before it starts, and you don't always have the luxury of using external views in some server settings. Would be nice to have a contrasting texture for the desert airstrips... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's even worse when visibility isn't that great. The **** things are invisible.

NonWonderDog
07-31-2005, 11:46 PM
This is one that should be changed, if only for playability. I would not be at all surprised if the plane had to be pushed around by the ground crew to set it in position, but we don't have that luxury in game. We have to taxi to position all by ourselves.

ClnlSandersLite
08-01-2005, 03:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by F19_Ob:
Hello mates.
Here is my taxiing trick.

I think clnlSandersLite may be right in that the groundcrew set it into position like with ww1 planes. Atleast I have seen plenty of fotage with guys around cr42's on either side and behind the plane. The cr42 has a Tailwheel and it looks solid and imovable but my quick search gave nothing.

However I can taxi and take off quite well with this below trick:

1. Hit brakes and hold them down while slowly throttling up to 35% power.

2. Push rudder and stick diagonally forward in the direction U want to turn.
The plane should move slowly on the spot and complete a 90' turn in about 10 seconds or less.

3. Be careful not to throttle up to fast and/or over 40% power because it may nose over.

Well, there it is. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was playing around with it and here's what I found to be the best way. From a low speed, purposely give it enough gas and brakes to make it nose down. Not enough to kill the prop, but just enough to kick the tail up a little. While the tail's in the air, it'll spin on a dime.

It takes a little practice to get it right, but I got it sorted out pretty quickly.

269GA-Veltro
08-01-2005, 04:19 AM
Is a bug....
The tail gear in the CR 42 could move a little thank to "an elastic mechanism". After turn left or right it returned automatically in the "locked" (centered) position.

Original CR 42 manual.
http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR42.JPG

x6BL_Brando
08-01-2005, 07:00 AM
I don't fly much in dogfight servers, usually in coops, so I spawn on the runway as opposed to the apron. I find the 42 is actually easier to lift off in the new FM compared to 3.04.

My tip for the roll-out is to use the compass (and rudder, of course)to retain direction until the tail lifts and some view of the runway is available.

F19_Ob
08-01-2005, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 269GA-Veltro:
Is a bug....
The tail gear in the CR 42 could move a little thank to "an elastic mechanism". After turn left or right it returned automatically in the "locked" (centered) position.

Original CR 42 manual.
http://ourworld.cs.com/VeltroF/CR42.JPG </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for posting.
Would u mind post this in the bugreport.

269GA-Veltro
08-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Posted...now i hope..

JG53Frankyboy
08-01-2005, 11:09 AM
you should email him !!

i did already few days ago about the Falco tailwheel - but you have a proof !

Heliopause
08-01-2005, 01:15 PM
Just a few pics of a Fiat Cr.42.
The first one is a re-build and was rolled out on may 12th in Italy at the Italian Air Force Museum.
Second one is a picture of a captured Fiat wich landed in England on Nov 11th 1940.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/FiatCr.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a138/heliopause/FiatCr42.jpg

269GA-Veltro
08-02-2005, 02:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by JG53Frankyboy:
you should email him !!

i did already few days ago about the Falco tailwheel - but you have a proof ! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mailed. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HotelBushranger
08-02-2005, 04:58 AM
Nice pics Heliopause! Love the first one http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

269GA-Veltro
08-02-2005, 07:24 AM
Ok guys, it seems the problem will be solved!

Thank to Oleg for his usual disponibility.

Maraz_5SA
08-03-2005, 05:35 AM
Well done!
I hope the problem with markings wil be solved as well

5SA_Maraz

F19_Olli72
08-03-2005, 07:42 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Nice catch guys. And ditto about the markings.