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Fox_3
06-08-2007, 05:58 AM
They must have been desperate!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/Sapper646/pz_01.jpg

Fox_3
06-08-2007, 05:58 AM
They must have been desperate!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/Sapper646/pz_01.jpg

tomtheyak
06-08-2007, 06:15 AM
OMG!!!!

It gets even barmier when you realise what the effective range of a Panzerfaust was! (Hint: If you can spit at the target, get a bit closer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif )

Rood-Zwart
06-08-2007, 06:33 AM
Personal plane of M.C. Geiver http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Blutarski2004
06-08-2007, 07:37 AM
Ad-hoc JATO units?


;]

LEBillfish
06-08-2007, 08:00 AM
Actually, it's a clever idea....Light scout planes have traditionally run across things many others would miss so high or fast. In kind their slow speed would make such a weapon ideal especially if they could use a bit of the vertical.

They can position for the weakest spots, or even use it as an area fire weapon (ground troops).......and it's very "possible" to have the range increased for them if need be I'd think.

Don't look at it as some lame attempt......Think of it as a map of the earth flying attack chopper that non-combat pilots could fly.....

I like it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif (kept telling you all storch were killers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif)

MaxMhz
06-08-2007, 08:16 AM
roflmao

Let's start whining; Panzerfaust and pit for the Storch http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif Can we have one pointing backwards too? hehe
Didn't the Panzerfaust have a shaped charge?
AFAIK it's fired by a recoil-less disposable cannon (not rocket propelled).
Not very effective against personnel if that's the case. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Heavily armed plane though; It's even got a (dual?) catapult on the nose http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

PB0_shadow
06-08-2007, 10:45 AM
Taifun with Panzerfaust.

Great idea. need that in game http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

stalkervision
06-08-2007, 11:16 AM
Didn't I see this set up in the movie "Von Ryan's express"? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/Sapper646/pz_01.jpg

Divine-Wind
06-08-2007, 05:32 PM
Panzerfausts are overmodelled.

faustnik
06-08-2007, 05:38 PM
I'd fly it! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

luftluuver
06-08-2007, 05:43 PM
Light a/c like the O-2 in Nam carried rockets.

AKA_TAGERT
06-08-2007, 05:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Fox_3:
They must have been desperate! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
With a capital 'D'

stalkervision
06-08-2007, 06:47 PM
Future BOBSOW fighter.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/Sapper646/pz_01.jpg

Viper2005_
06-08-2007, 07:07 PM
Interesting.

Presumably limits were imposed regarding sideslip at weapon release...

There's nothing especially wrong with the installation itself. However, if you wanted to hit anything with it then it would have to be very carefully rigged; setting up a sight would require flight testing since aerodynamic effects would be quite significant upon the trajectory of the warhead.

Aeroelastic effects might be an issue given the short length of the pylon compared with the length of the weapon.

Needless to say, given all these factors you'd have to get pretty close to be effective. I'd guess ~60 m effective attack range against a tank sized target.

All in all, I'd say that anybody flying that kind of machine into combat would have to be very brave...

Having said that, low level attacks at night or more practically just after sunset might potentially be quite effective...

AKA_TAGERT
06-08-2007, 07:12 PM
This does shed some light on where Oleg got his Mk108 modeling from

leitmotiv
06-08-2007, 07:14 PM
Billfish has a point. On a nasty winter's day with fog right above the trees you could do a good recon in a little Siebel (this ain't a Storch, folks) like this, and, maybe, tip over, shoot the rockets into a group of parked vehicles, and climb like crazy into the clag. Wouldn't want to try it on a summer's day, though.

Divine-Wind
06-08-2007, 07:50 PM
That's a BF-108, innit?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
This does shed some light on where Oleg got his Mk108 modeling from </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Feathered_IV
06-08-2007, 08:04 PM
Scale Models magazine did an article about twenty years ago on the unit that operated these during the last month of the war. They included some drawings of the trigger arrangement and did a little model in 1/48 too. I'll try to dig it out and post the info.

Divine-Wind
06-08-2007, 08:16 PM
Schweeet! I'll give you a cookie if you do, Feathered.

berg417448
06-08-2007, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
That's a BF-108, innit?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
This does shed some light on where Oleg got his Mk108 modeling from </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It is a BU-181.

http://www.worldwar2aces.com/panzerfaust.htm

http://www.mo-na-ko.net/images5/LetBuckerBu181Bestmann.jpg

leitmotiv
06-08-2007, 09:08 PM
My apologies to the noble Bu 181!

Feathered_IV
06-08-2007, 10:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Schweeet! I'll give you a cookie if you do, Feathered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll take you up on that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Got it. SMI's March 1982 issue. I won't be near a scanner until Tuesday unfortunately, but I'll be sure to post the four page article here.

M_Gunz
06-08-2007, 11:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by tomtheyak:
OMG!!!!

It gets even barmier when you realise what the effective range of a Panzerfaust was! (Hint: If you can spit at the target, get a bit closer... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I bet they went a long way... down.

EDIT: well okay, they COULD go a long way down!

The fragments from 4 of those might be enough to take out a crew served weapon or small
gathering of men or car let alone hunting armor.

Bewolf
06-09-2007, 12:26 AM
What few ppl know, that the german Luftwaffe learend quite a bit from the russians and their Night Witches.
In the later stages of the war, when daily operations proved diffificult or near impossible, lots of light and else obsolete aircraft were used for night harassing attacks. They did quite a bit of damage.
This plane here looks like it was one of these aircraft.

Feathered_IV
06-09-2007, 03:28 AM
Apparently the three units equipped with these machines (1st, 2nd and 3rd Panzerjagdstaffeln) would fly at dawn and dusk, hiding out during the day. No records of tank kills I think, but they did enjoy some success against soft skinned vehicles.

Fox_3
06-13-2007, 05:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
Schweeet! I'll give you a cookie if you do, Feathered. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll take you up on that http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Got it. SMI's March 1982 issue. I won't be near a scanner until Tuesday unfortunately, but I'll be sure to post the four page article here. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Bump in anticipation of the four page article.

Fox_3
06-13-2007, 02:15 PM
Nudge.

Jaws2002
06-13-2007, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Interesting.

All in all, I'd say that anybody flying that kind of machine into combat would have to be very brave...

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually is really fun flying those unarmed planes in fighter infested skies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I loved flying Teh Storch in Target Torbruk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
They have few missions where you have to deliver some letters on an isolated island. Is really cool. you fly so slow youfeel like getting off and push the bloody thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
All around you are flying mean spits and jugs ready to chew you up. you have to land on the island and drop the letters. Is really cool and chalanging. If you deliver the messages to all waypoints you get better planes then the allies the next mission so is worth to try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I actually got a kill (my ai gunner) on a p-47D in Storch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

stalkervision
06-13-2007, 04:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jaws2002:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Viper2005_:
Interesting.

All in all, I'd say that anybody flying that kind of machine into combat would have to be very brave...

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually is really fun flying those unarmed planes in fighter infested skies. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I loved flying Teh Storch in Target Torbruk. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif
They have few missions where you have to deliver some letters on an isolated island. Is really cool. you fly so slow youfeel like getting off and push the bloody thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
All around you are flying mean spits and jugs ready to chew you up. you have to land on the island and drop the letters. Is really cool and chalanging. If you deliver the messages to all waypoints you get better planes then the allies the next mission so is worth to try. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I actually got a kill (my ai gunner) on a p-47D in Storch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif these are the best missions right.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

F19_Olli72
06-14-2007, 04:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Apparently the three units equipped with these machines (1st, 2nd and 3rd Panzerjagdstaffeln) would fly at dawn and dusk, hiding out during the day. No records of tank kills I think, but they did enjoy some success against soft skinned vehicles. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That pic (of the original poster) is in Adolf Dickfeld's autobiography "Footsteps of the hunter". He participated in what was called "Sonderkommando Falke III". He first tested it on a captured T-34 on the edge of the airfield and scored 4 direct hits from an altitude of 20 m. Operationally however he only made one night sortie but believes he destroyed two T-34 tanks, and returned with 14 bullets in his plane. Of the 121 aircraft that took part in the operation only 39 returned.

Its a great book otherwise covering all his career from flight school right to the end of the war flying He-162 and post war experiences.

Feathered_IV
06-14-2007, 05:06 AM
Right! Scanned 'em and about to upload.

I'm busted down to dailup speed at the moment for exceeding my dl limit. Might take a bit...

Feathered_IV
06-14-2007, 05:24 AM
Here it is. Enjoy!

http://rapidshare.com/files/37142534/FaustBucker.rar

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Fox_3
06-14-2007, 07:08 AM
Aaaargh! Rapid share doesn't like AOL so can't download. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif

Feathered_IV
06-14-2007, 07:39 AM
Try this: http://www.zshare.net/download/2269981a5c5828/ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Beaufort-RAF
06-14-2007, 08:51 AM
Thanks for the article.

The crew that sneaked over to Switzerland were eminently sensible. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fox_3
06-14-2007, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Feathered_IV:
Try this: http://www.zshare.net/download/2269981a5c5828/ http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Got it. Thanks Feathered.