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GAU-8
04-17-2006, 02:04 AM
edited for clarity of question, not some rambling "rant"

we understand the B-17 probably will never be inlcuded in the older "IL-2" engine. for various reasons, complexity due to the usually mentioned
. lack of large maps
.lack of heavy bomber dynamics (?)
.lack of of 3rd party modelers willing to take the task (?)
.lack of interest (?)
.complexity to model all of the stations involved

many people ASSUME "after B.O.B. we will probably see the B-17"

i feel that because of ALL the complexities, or lack of, holding it back in the OLDER IL-2 engine, wouldnt the dynamics involved with B.O.B. engine make THAT MUCH HARDER to do? if its so time consuming to implement it in now, when its much "easier" compared to the NEW engine.

what is the possibility of this aircraft ever being cockpit flown AFTER B.O.B. engine is completed?

YES?

NO?

and what choices affect the outcome to YOUR or the TEAMS answer above?

just trying to find out the future of this beautiful aircraft that truly deserves to be flyable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

GAU-8
04-17-2006, 02:04 AM
edited for clarity of question, not some rambling "rant"

we understand the B-17 probably will never be inlcuded in the older "IL-2" engine. for various reasons, complexity due to the usually mentioned
. lack of large maps
.lack of heavy bomber dynamics (?)
.lack of of 3rd party modelers willing to take the task (?)
.lack of interest (?)
.complexity to model all of the stations involved

many people ASSUME "after B.O.B. we will probably see the B-17"

i feel that because of ALL the complexities, or lack of, holding it back in the OLDER IL-2 engine, wouldnt the dynamics involved with B.O.B. engine make THAT MUCH HARDER to do? if its so time consuming to implement it in now, when its much "easier" compared to the NEW engine.

what is the possibility of this aircraft ever being cockpit flown AFTER B.O.B. engine is completed?

YES?

NO?

and what choices affect the outcome to YOUR or the TEAMS answer above?

just trying to find out the future of this beautiful aircraft that truly deserves to be flyable http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HelSqnProtos
04-17-2006, 03:04 AM
S~!

My understanding is that the New sim Engine will allow for a 'modular' FM implementation.

This if I understand correctly will facilitate the insertion of new aircraft much more readily than the current code which requires things to be 'shoehorned' in. The BOB engine will hopefully live up to this promise and I am sure Oleg will not forget the B17.

At some point it will get in.

HotelBushranger
04-17-2006, 03:12 AM
Also keep in mind Oleg has to keep in mind the wants of all. Not EVERYONE wants the B-17, personally I'd rather prefer a Lancaster or B-24. Obviously it comes down to the matter of national pride. People wanna fly the planes of their country, and with the USA as a major customer, I suppose that that would contribute much to his decision. However there is a chance there will never be any 4 engine heavies. I don't mind, as long as the SM 79 gets in http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

FritzGryphon
04-17-2006, 03:46 AM
Even if it's not applicable to any of the post-BoB theatres, I'm sure it wouldn't be turned down it were made by a 3rd party.

In IL-2 series there were 3rd party UFOs, third party bombers. They existed because someone cared and spent the time to make them, where it was not practical or logical for MG to make.

Monson74
04-17-2006, 05:42 AM
IL2 is still basicly a ground attack sim with additional fighters - there aren't much use of heavy bombers because there are no targets for them - I see no point in climbing up to 6k & level-bomb a couple of tanks when you can do the job in 1/4 of the time with a Jug or Sturmo.

DuxCorvan
04-17-2006, 10:44 AM
Greedy lawyer-gathering companies = dark clouds in B-17 horizon.

Time will say

GAU-8
04-17-2006, 12:03 PM
but the question still stands...

if it will not be made now. why WOULD they want to add it into a new engine, when that much more tecnhicality exists?

if third party modelers say "too tough' now. why make it then?

monson74, i understand what you are saying, but there are PLENTY of targets for higher alt bombers to hit, it all depends on the map maker to add them. we (380th BG) took great pride in bombing from 9K. and did it VERY WELL. i still do it, and do it very well. you might not see the point in doing it.but i do. your a fighter jock. fighter jocks dont see the need. but MANY others do. also, as the starting post says.... "B-17 AFTER B.O.B." NOT "how come still no B-17 in IL-2 engine" ..it was not to be about the IL-2 engine. THAT horse has been kicked dead for a while...

i hope an official answer comes soon, and not being left open for speculation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Irish_JG26
04-17-2006, 02:14 PM
S~

Regarding the B17...

I would support it, and want it. The BOB sim is the logical place but I would take it now, even if it did not have all the gunner positions modeled. Why is IL2 not suitable for level bombing? We have the He111, the Ju88 and the B25's now. My squad and friends regularly conduct level bombing coop and DF mission of massed targets such as air bases, cities with target factories, fuel dumps, rail yards, ports, etc. The existing heavies do just fine but the B17 would fit right in to a BoB 1943 scenerio http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Irish

FritzGryphon
04-17-2006, 05:48 PM
Think of it this way. If a small team, like those that worked on Ju-88 started work now, gathering reference, modeling, texturing, they might be finished by the time BoB gets to late war Europe, 20 years from now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Chivas
04-17-2006, 07:31 PM
I have no doubt that Oleg will model the Lancaster and B17 at the appropriate point in the Storm of War series. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Actually I feel sorry for the Shockwave crew and there rebuild of the B17 11 sim, unless it comes out within 2 years.

VW-IceFire
04-17-2006, 07:36 PM
Since were going to North Africa and Italy after BoB comes out...apparently....what heavy bombers operated in that theater? Maybe that will give us some idea of what is possible.

A Lancaster would be awesome...not only that but maybe a dam buster bomb would be great to have.

GAU-8
04-18-2006, 12:25 AM
bump

::waits for Oleg :: http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I450IVex
04-18-2006, 01:18 AM
Maryland would be awesome.

Beaufort, Fieseler Storch, P-40K (essential)
Italian Bombers, P-38D-E,

interesting side info:
The Fieseler Storch was the last dogfight victim of the western front. Pilot Duanes Francies and his observer, Lieutenant William Martin, of the 5th US Army Division, spotted a Storch circling below them while looking for ground targets in their Piper Cub. Diving on the Storch, the two men opened fire with their Colt .45s and the plane spiraled to the ground. After a short gun battle, Francies and his observer took the two Germans into custody. Lt. Martin was awarded the Air Medal for his part in the fight, but Francies would have to wait until the story was reported in Cornelius Ryan's book "The Last Battle," to finally be awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross. The USAF was 22 years late. Apart from being the last Luftwaffe plane lost in the west, this Storch was also the only enemy plane downed by pistol fire during the war.
<taken from warbirdalley.com>

Monson74
04-18-2006, 03:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by GAU-8:
but the question still stands...

if it will not be made now. why WOULD they want to add it into a new engine, when that much more tecnhicality exists?

if third party modelers say "too tough' now. why make it then?

monson74, i understand what you are saying, but there are PLENTY of targets for higher alt bombers to hit, it all depends on the map maker to add them. we (380th BG) took great pride in bombing from 9K. and did it VERY WELL. i still do it, and do it very well. you might not see the point in doing it.but i do. your a fighter jock. fighter jocks dont see the need. but MANY others do. also, as the starting post says.... "B-17 AFTER B.O.B." NOT "how come still no B-17 in IL-2 engine" ..it was not to be about the IL-2 engine. THAT horse has been kicked dead for a while...

i hope an official answer comes soon, and not being left open for speculation http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't get me wrong - I too would love a B-17 or other four-engine for that matter - I do fly bombers (online) & enjoy it very much but what we miss in this series is targets like factories & storage fascilities so we could do strategic bombing & not just tactical. I know we can put cars inside buildings to simulate this but it doesn't feel right - for me. I hope BoB will remedy this - after all there was a lot of level-bombing going on (the Blitz) & the maps will be bigger so the allied crews can retaliate later on in the future of BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOLFMondo
04-18-2006, 06:13 AM
Gimme a Lancaster and Halifax. Dont want none of that US rubbish :P.

Seriously I'd like a B24 as that was pretty common in the ETO, MTO, Africa, PTO also flown by the RAF Coastal Command for sub hunting. All round I think more suitable initially for a heavy to appease all.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Since were going to North Africa and Italy after BoB comes out...apparently....what heavy bombers operated in that theater? Maybe that will give us some idea of what is possible.

A Lancaster would be awesome...not only that but maybe a dam buster bomb would be great to have. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B24 is the one for that theatre. Operated out of North Africa and later Italy hitting targets like the Romianian oil fields. Other than that British twins like the Beaufort and Beaufighter.

Maraz_5SA
04-18-2006, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
B24 is the one for that theatre. Operated out of North Africa and later Italy hitting targets like the Romianian oil fields. Other than that British twins like the Beaufort and Beaufighter. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please don't forget the Wellington... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The Beaufort was mainly used as a torpedo bomber, the BeauFIGHTER can hardly be considered a bomber... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wellington, B-24, B-25, Boston, Maryland for the Allies

Ju.88, He.111, SM.79, Cant Z.1007 for the Axis.

Clearly having only a subset of all those would be quite good.

What I hope is that we will get a map of the whole Mediterranean (as currently Target Tobruk has) so that we could build missions about some really forgotten battles as the bombing of Gibraltar, Suez, the Taranto raid, etc...

Maraz

DuxCorvan
04-18-2006, 08:48 AM
Please, clear me on this subject: is "Storm of War" the new "Battle of Britain" working title? Is there any official announcement I've missed lately? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Irish_Rogues
04-18-2006, 08:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Please, clear me on this subject: is "Storm of War" the new "Battle of Britain" working title? Is there any official announcement I've missed lately? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Storm of War" (SoW) is the new game series and "Battle of Britain" (BoB)is the first installment in the new series.

At least for right now.

GAU-8
04-18-2006, 12:15 PM
nice! storms of war. thats pretty cool title for the "series" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif