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XyZspineZyX
02-08-2006, 06:57 AM
It seems that most historical books that have aircraft profiles in them always show the left side of aircraft.

In the RAF, it was common to have squadron markings as XY*Z. It seems to be generally portrayed that the Right side of the aircraft also read XY*Z, but I have seen pictures of RAF aircraft known to read XY*Z on their left side, but on the right side of the plane one can read the squadron markings as Z*XY, such as in this image:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frenchaces/avions/raf/img/tempest_ph.jpg

I was having a bit of fun making some squad skins with Gimp when this question arose as I was painting the right side of the aircraft. I'm stumped as to whether I should mark the plane as XY*Z or Z*XY on its right side.

Any ideas?

XyZspineZyX
02-08-2006, 06:57 AM
It seems that most historical books that have aircraft profiles in them always show the left side of aircraft.

In the RAF, it was common to have squadron markings as XY*Z. It seems to be generally portrayed that the Right side of the aircraft also read XY*Z, but I have seen pictures of RAF aircraft known to read XY*Z on their left side, but on the right side of the plane one can read the squadron markings as Z*XY, such as in this image:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frenchaces/avions/raf/img/tempest_ph.jpg

I was having a bit of fun making some squad skins with Gimp when this question arose as I was painting the right side of the aircraft. I'm stumped as to whether I should mark the plane as XY*Z or Z*XY on its right side.

Any ideas?

CD_kp84yb
02-08-2006, 07:03 AM
looks like those pics are mirrored, I have books with pics of MG34's and 42's with the beldintake on the rightside and not on the leftside. those pics are printed mirrorwise ( the give away was the watch of the gunners ( my books not the pics of the planes)

XyZspineZyX
02-08-2006, 07:16 AM
Yes, but if it was mirrored wouldnt the letters be backwards? I have a larger picture of this in a book, and it clearly shows the last tempest in the back as J*SD, and you can clearly see the serial numbers on the tails, of which I can only make out EJ7-- because of the shading.

luftluuver
02-08-2006, 07:29 AM
From a RAF document on a/c code positioning:

The squadron 2 lettter code may be applied either forward of aft of thefuselage roundel according the space available. The single a/c letter is then applied at the opposite side of the roundel. The 2 letters of the squadron code are not to be seperated under any circumstances: for example:-

Squadron code letters - TP
A/c letter - R
port side - R roundel TP, reading left ot right
starboard side - TP roundel R, reading left to right

Was there exceptions of going against official rules? Yes.

XyZspineZyX
02-08-2006, 07:34 AM
Thanks luftluuver. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

AH_Gonzo
02-08-2006, 08:26 AM
I've always wondered about that myself. Ty for the info luftluuver.

major_setback
02-08-2006, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by AH_Gonzo:
I've always wondered about that myself. Ty for the info luftluuver. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thought it was just me who wondered...
Thanks.

luftluuver
02-08-2006, 11:27 AM
from

British Aviation Colours of World War Two: the Official Camouflage, Colors, and Markings of RAF airc, 1976, Arms & Armour Press, 57 pages, hardcover. ISBN 0-88254-407-1(US) and ISBN 0-85368-271-2(GB)

The RAF Museum books are very good. Included in the series are the manuals for the Hurricane, Spitfire, Lancaster, Mosquito.

major_setback
02-08-2006, 12:02 PM
I've posted this before. If you want to know how to do the letters then get the Spitfire CD (there's a Spifire version too). Loads of other information is included on the CD:

http://modelingmadness.com/others/books/cleaver109cdrom.htm

Pictures from the CD are on this thread:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...201006703#9201006703 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9041092503/r/9201006703#9201006703)



http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/10Qllettering.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/09squadrons.jpg

VV_Holdenb
02-08-2006, 12:15 PM
some RAF "markings" links http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark271-299.htm
http://www.groundcrewdesign.com/garage/decals/decals.htm
http://www.hobbydecal.com/index.htm

MLudner
02-08-2006, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
It seems that most historical books that have aircraft profiles in them always show the left side of aircraft.

In the RAF, it was common to have squadron markings as XY*Z. It seems to be generally portrayed that the Right side of the aircraft also read XY*Z, but I have seen pictures of RAF aircraft known to read XY*Z on their left side, but on the right side of the plane one can read the squadron markings as Z*XY, such as in this image:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frenchaces/avions/raf/img/tempest_ph.jpg

I was having a bit of fun making some squad skins with Gimp when this question arose as I was painting the right side of the aircraft. I'm stumped as to whether I should mark the plane as XY*Z or Z*XY on its right side.

Any ideas? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It was commonly set to read from left to right on either side. Thus, on the port (Left as the A/C faces):

NR@A

Starboard:

A@NR

SithSpeeder
02-08-2006, 06:22 PM
Now that the question was answered, I'M HIJACKING THIS THREAD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif What about the other countries (e.g., USA)?

* _54th_Speeder *

jarink
02-08-2006, 10:47 PM
Most pictures I've seen of Eighth Air Force B-17s were the same way (squadron codes always toward the front). It makes sense, since the usage of the squadron/tail code was borrowed directly from the RAF to provide a common means of identification in the ETO. However, it was pretty common for codes to be painted wherever the individual groups or squadrons wanted them. Sometimes it was just a matter of where the ground crew felt painting it that week. (the 385th BG was the only B-17 group to not use squadron codes at all, though they did paint individual codes on the tail.)

"Shack Bunny" of the 385th BG in N Africa after the Regensburg shuttle mission. (this was the plane my grandfather was in when shot down)
http://home.grics.net/jrink/ShackB17.jpg

Some examples of the madness:
http://home.grics.net/jrink/B-17G_formation11.jpg
http://home.grics.net/jrink/b17g-32.jpg

Sometimes, the codes were not separated by the national insignia, either.
http://home.grics.net/jrink/b170000.jpg