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F19_Orheim
04-08-2004, 04:43 PM
I would just like to point out a certain aspect of dogfighting I can't say I am particular fond of. I have encountered this quite too many times lately in Virtual Pilots 2....


Let's say you are in a turnfight with a Chaika in a J8A and you are just about to nail your opponent with a well aimed burst into the cockpit, when suddenly a teammate enters your line of fire and like a crazy dog goes after your target, not caring if your bullets hits him and you accidently get a teamkill.

Now, I think I got over the killstealing aspect of the game (not fully but on my way) so I don't really care if another guy finish off a plane I have already downed (it's still my kill in my book), but forcing me to a teamkill by just beeing wreckless really bugs me.

So my point is, when you are in a dogfight, furball or whatever, PLEASE assess the situation before you go head-on for the enemy. Is he being chased by a teammate of yours (?) and if so, does your teammate have a clear shot? If yes, then await to engage until you see a situation that does not endanger you or your teammate. Why not see to it that your guy has his six clear instead of diving into his burst of bullets and get killed by a him by beeing plain stupid?

I read an excellent article about "Thinking Pilots" and "Bloodthirsty Pilots" on a site (http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/FYL/FYLindex.htm)managed by a member of this board (sorry forgot your name), and I think this is a reading that everyone could benefit from. Be a THINKING pilot, not a BLOODTHIRSTY one..

Get your priorities right:
1- Stay alive
2- Do not endanger the "lives" of your teammates
3- Down enemy airplanes

Thanx for listening....

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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Thu April 08 2004 at 03:56 PM.]

F19_Orheim
04-08-2004, 04:43 PM
I would just like to point out a certain aspect of dogfighting I can't say I am particular fond of. I have encountered this quite too many times lately in Virtual Pilots 2....


Let's say you are in a turnfight with a Chaika in a J8A and you are just about to nail your opponent with a well aimed burst into the cockpit, when suddenly a teammate enters your line of fire and like a crazy dog goes after your target, not caring if your bullets hits him and you accidently get a teamkill.

Now, I think I got over the killstealing aspect of the game (not fully but on my way) so I don't really care if another guy finish off a plane I have already downed (it's still my kill in my book), but forcing me to a teamkill by just beeing wreckless really bugs me.

So my point is, when you are in a dogfight, furball or whatever, PLEASE assess the situation before you go head-on for the enemy. Is he being chased by a teammate of yours (?) and if so, does your teammate have a clear shot? If yes, then await to engage until you see a situation that does not endanger you or your teammate. Why not see to it that your guy has his six clear instead of diving into his burst of bullets and get killed by a him by beeing plain stupid?

I read an excellent article about "Thinking Pilots" and "Bloodthirsty Pilots" on a site (http://webpages.charter.net/Stick_Fiend/FYL/FYLindex.htm)managed by a member of this board (sorry forgot your name), and I think this is a reading that everyone could benefit from. Be a THINKING pilot, not a BLOODTHIRSTY one..

Get your priorities right:
1- Stay alive
2- Do not endanger the "lives" of your teammates
3- Down enemy airplanes

Thanx for listening....

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[This message was edited by F19_Orheim on Thu April 08 2004 at 03:56 PM.]

SeaFireLIV
04-08-2004, 04:51 PM
Good words, Orheim. Didn`t someone recently post about a very similar situation?

It`s so simple common sense.
1. A friendlies on a bogey. You are close behind. The friendlies obviously got the bogey licked. What do you do?

2. Simple fly as rear cover. Keep a watch and engage anyone who`ll probably be going for him.

or.

3. Go find another target.

4. ONLY when the friendly looks as if he`s lost it (enemy plane turns on his six) that you then take over. The friendly should thankyou.

Problem is there should be NO need to say this, it`s so obvious. The people who should listen to this probably won`t.

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F19_Orheim
04-08-2004, 05:10 PM
Oh yeah, just saw AFJ_Locust's thread. Oh well it can be repeated. And as I said, don't mind so much any more if they down a smoking enemy that I have shot at, the real point is:

THINK!!!

I think maybe this will come with experience. It seems this behaviour can be found coming from relative new (hate the word "noob" - it is so disrespectful) pilots, not beeing very successful taking down enemys and when presented a chance going for it no matter the consequences.

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gates123
04-08-2004, 05:18 PM
I've been known to just keep firing.....he'll either get out of the way or die trying to steal your kill. A couple negative points wont hurt anyone.

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tsisqua
04-08-2004, 08:30 PM
Hi, Orheim!

I get this as many times as I do kill steals. I think they are the same pilots . . . they get kill-thirsty, and it costs them their "lives" . . . and you 300 points, as well as the team you are all flying for.


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Eagle_361st
04-08-2004, 08:44 PM
Yes, I totally agree this is a very serious problem. I see it everyday on most servers and in coops alike. What I think it comes down to is competition, everyone wants to get the most points or at the very least get on the boards. Which at times makes them do very silly and dangerous things. I have been the victim of people shooting over my shoulder or them just flying right between me and my target, or flat out just stealing kills. There have been a few occassions where I accidentaly did it myself, but I have been around the circuit long enough that I pay extra attention to what is going on and who is engaging what. I would prefer taking my flight home rather than risking them to get some points. I have never that I can honestly remember blatantly gone after somebody elses kill or endangered a pilot in my flight. I have though called out and taken over a target if I see the pilot is having trouble or I have an excellent angle. But I will only engage that target once clear and agreed by the other pilot. Communication and training is what I really think need's to happen to help make this problem a lot less prevalent.

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Franzen
04-08-2004, 09:19 PM
I agree, I hate it when others steal kills, especially from a smoking, falling wreckage. I often give away kills do to my excessive speed(non-intensional BnZ). I just damage more planes than I actually down and leave it for the more skilled dogfighters.
Lastnight I blasted one of those special glass-jawwed invinsible P-51's. Two nice hits with the MK108 then left him smoking thinking he was a "gonner". He manged to gain enough alt to seriously damage my 6; I was the "gonner".
My point is, a smoking plane isn't necessarily a downed plane. If I'm flying cover and I see my teammate break off from what he thinks is a downed plane due to a thick smoke trail, I'll jump in to make sure it is downed. I'm not stealing a kill but just making sure the job is done.
Honestly I don't care who gets the kill and I'm sure it was probably done this way in reality. I'm looking for the end result; survival of my teammate and myself. My priorities are as follows: (1) protect my teammate (2) protect myself (3) down the enemy.

Of course entering the line of fire is really stupid and selfish and will most often give the enemy a good chance to get away. My suggestion is to get on your teamamtes 6 and when the enemy loses your teammate you can then take over for him. Your teammate should immediately try to get on your 6 and be ready to take up position. Your enemy will then have no chance. I've been known to break off from my enemy when i know my teammate is right behind me. It's better then over shooting your enemy and having your teammate and your enemy shooting your 6. Anyway, just my opinion and this has been proven to be successful.

Fritz

GK.
04-08-2004, 11:29 PM
if you bail out before a friendly kill registers, you dont get negative points. btw I don't condone teamkilling under any circumstance.