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VFS-22_SPaRX
07-04-2005, 12:30 PM
Got a new server up for all you Western Front 43 planeset Buffs. Same settings as our other server. Planeset will be the same on every map just as on War Clouds WF. Here is the current planeset.

Allied:
B-25J-1NA
P-38J
P-47D-10
P-47D-22
P-51B-NA
P-51C-NT
SpitfireMkVIII
SpitfireMkVIIICLP

Axis:
Bf-109G-6
Bf-109G-6_Late
Bf-110G-2
Fw-190A-5
Fw-190A-6
He-111H-6
Ju-87G-1

I am no History Buff when it comes to what flew when, where and why. So if there is something you do not like about this planeset and you think needs to be changed, drop by our forums and let us know. URL in sig.

Stats Online at http://www.war-clouds.com/43-stats/

Server IP: 67.18.111.250:21001
Found in: ASE/HL

S~ and Happy 4th

VFS-22_SPaRX
07-04-2005, 12:30 PM
Got a new server up for all you Western Front 43 planeset Buffs. Same settings as our other server. Planeset will be the same on every map just as on War Clouds WF. Here is the current planeset.

Allied:
B-25J-1NA
P-38J
P-47D-10
P-47D-22
P-51B-NA
P-51C-NT
SpitfireMkVIII
SpitfireMkVIIICLP

Axis:
Bf-109G-6
Bf-109G-6_Late
Bf-110G-2
Fw-190A-5
Fw-190A-6
He-111H-6
Ju-87G-1

I am no History Buff when it comes to what flew when, where and why. So if there is something you do not like about this planeset and you think needs to be changed, drop by our forums and let us know. URL in sig.

Stats Online at http://www.war-clouds.com/43-stats/

Server IP: 67.18.111.250:21001
Found in: ASE/HL

S~ and Happy 4th

3.JG51_BigBear
07-04-2005, 12:43 PM
Awesome, I love the mid war scenarios.

Airmail109
07-04-2005, 12:47 PM
Whats the difference between WC_43 and normal WC, those planesets look awfully simialar. How about an early war server....39-42! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
07-04-2005, 01:01 PM
Because i see more people asking for a limited 43 setup then what you are suggesting.

S~

GH_Klingstroem
07-04-2005, 01:06 PM
Great!! I have missed it so much!

Hristo_
07-04-2005, 01:14 PM
Looks great, I'm already liking it.

Let's hope it becomes as popular as its older brother http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

JG7_Rall
07-04-2005, 03:25 PM
AWESOME!

Bless you sparx!

hobnail
07-04-2005, 07:36 PM
I like the planeset but it seems the HL community would rather huddle in a full '44 server than split up into two servers.

I'll stick with it and see if it takes off, be nice to fly/fight something other than Doras and 38 Lates.

ImpStarDuece
07-04-2005, 11:51 PM
A great Idea Sparx, I really hope it takes off! The 42-43 period is my favourite for WTO operations. You will see me on there as soon as my new CH set-up arrives.

I can't really talk for the German side but I'd like to suggest some changes to the Allied line up, just for realism.

1. Add the Spitfire L.F. Vb in both wing versions,
2. Add the Spitfire IXc and LF IXc,
3. Take out the Spitfire VIIIs,
4. Take out the P-51s.

The Spitfire L.F. Vb operated as a low altitude fighter/bomber in Europe until the last squadrons using it switched over just after Normandy (3 squadrons flew cover over the beaches on June 6th)

I don't have the figures handy but the L.F. Vb was the dominant aircraft in terms of numbers in Fighter Command until mid 1943.

The Spitfire IXc operated hand-in-hand with the Vb as a high altitude and top cover fighter for older Spitfires. Given the VERY good performance of the L.F. Vb at lower alts it was a good pairing. These two are a historic team and it would be nice to see them together.

The Spitifre VIII wasn't really available in numbers until mid-1943 and by that time it had been decided to tropicalise it and send it to Pacific, Far Eastern, Mediterranean and CBI theatre squadrons. Its longer range, new air filters and less maintenece intensive airframe made it more suitable for non-European battlefields.

The P-51B flew its first missions in late December 1943. The P-51C we have in the sim is a blown canopy or 'Malcom Hood' version, which was operated primarily in British service and really didn't see action until 1944.

Hristo_
07-05-2005, 12:04 AM
Hmm, that's a very good setup, ImpStarDuece.

British rhubarbs and rodeos and first US bomber trips over Europe. This was an intense combat period, but often neglected in our sim.

As for Germans, the Fw 190/Bf 109 planeset is accurate.

ImpStarDuece
07-05-2005, 01:32 AM
Just another thought; perhaps a 109G2 might be useful in an early 1943 set-up. Cut out the P-47 D-22 and the L.F. Spitfire IXc, add in a 190A4 to the mix and you have a really good mix representing late '42 to very early '43.

*Wishes in vain for a Typhoon*

JG7_Rall
07-05-2005, 04:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ImpStarDuece:
Just another thought; perhaps a 109G2 might be useful in an early 1943 set-up. Cut out the P-47 D-22 and the L.F. Spitfire IXc, add in a 190A4 to the mix and you have a really good mix representing late '42 to very early '43.

*Wishes in vain for a Typhoon* </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

ooo...I like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Gibbage1
07-05-2005, 04:45 PM
Sounds great! Im loving the lack of Mk-108's!

BSS_CUDA
07-05-2005, 04:49 PM
NO 108'S?!?!?!?!?!?! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif welp guess no lufty's will be flying that server http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

p1ngu666
07-05-2005, 05:14 PM
id say swap the VIII for IX, if for historys sake

add LF vb and Vb, maybe the vc with 2 cannons but i dont know how that performs.

bet someones gonna whine about b25 being a 44 plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

u need to add normal stuka's too

p1ngu666
07-05-2005, 05:16 PM
and add 190a4 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

MEGILE
07-05-2005, 06:06 PM
B-25 was a 1944 plane..

also, FW-190A4 saw service in 1943, be sure!!

CUJO_1970
07-05-2005, 10:00 PM
Thanks! I've been wanting a 1943 server like WC WF for a long time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

AFJ_Locust
07-05-2005, 10:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Thanks! I've been wanting a 1943 server like WC WF for a long time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will fly there !!!

Thx u

MOH_SKID.
07-06-2005, 01:02 AM
Everyone mentions how much they like this idea. But I have a question. Why is this server so empty?

A few people join and quit right away. I've seen FW190Fan (7/JG77=CUJO=) there and a few of my squadmates. It's a ghost town otherwise...

S~
Skid

Zacast
07-06-2005, 03:09 PM
Agree with what Imp Duece said above.

You should consider taking out the P-51s. They are not really "1943" planes since they entered combat only in late december 1943. As a P-47 pilot, I'd like to see my ride be the primary fighter for the USAAF for once. =) The Mustangs kinda destroy the feel of it really being 1943 IMO.

Add the FW-190A4 and the spitfire IXc. The spit IXc certainly belongs in 1943, and the FW-190A4 saw service there too.

Gibbage1
07-06-2005, 03:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Megile:
B-25 was a 1944 plane..

also, FW-190A4 saw service in 1943, be sure!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Really? Wow. Then what the he11 did they fly off the USS Hornet in 18 April 1942 to bomb Japan? It sure LOOKED like a B-25.... But it cant be if its only a 1944 aircraft!!!!

Gibbage1
07-06-2005, 03:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zacast:
Agree with what Imp Duece said above.

You should consider taking out the P-51s. They are not really "1943" planes since they entered combat only in late december 1943. As a P-47 pilot, I'd like to see my ride be the primary fighter for the USAAF for once. =) The Mustangs kinda destroy the feel of it really being 1943 IMO.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats funny, since I saw Ta-152's in the Warclouds 1944 server, and the PROTOTYPE flew in Dec 1944... I dont remember people crying about that.

SithSpeeder
07-06-2005, 03:57 PM
Can we get a B-17? That was a mainstay. Or are you against putting what is technically considered a non-flyable in with the flyables?

Perhaps Megile should have said "B-25J was a 1944 plane". However, I would argue that the differences between the B-25A and the J are not significant enough to exclude it from a 1943 planeset.

* _54th_Speeder *

Zacast
07-06-2005, 04:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Gibbage1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Zacast:
Agree with what Imp Duece said above.

You should consider taking out the P-51s. They are not really "1943" planes since they entered combat only in late december 1943. As a P-47 pilot, I'd like to see my ride be the primary fighter for the USAAF for once. =) The Mustangs kinda destroy the feel of it really being 1943 IMO.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats funny, since I saw Ta-152's in the Warclouds 1944 server, and the PROTOTYPE flew in Dec 1944... I dont remember people crying about that. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gibbage, no one is crying. We're just offering up a friendly idea to improve the immersion of what's supposed to be a 1943 server.

The other warclouds server seems to be a general "late war" server since it does have planes like the TA-152.

It would be nice to see a new server without P-51s for a change with this new one. P-47s and P-38s are the real USAAF 1943 rides =)

Gibbage1
07-06-2005, 04:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by SithSpeeder:
Can we get a B-17? That was a mainstay. Or are you against putting what is technically considered a non-flyable in with the flyables?

Perhaps Megile should have said "B-25J was a 1944 plane". However, I would argue that the differences between the B-25A and the J are not significant enough to exclude it from a 1943 planeset.

* _54th_Speeder * </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

B-25J was first flown in Dec 1943. Like the P-51's. B-25 A and B models were flown much much earlier. The differance between the B and the J is rather minimul. The B differant armorment locations and was 300MPH, the J was 280MPH. Its not like the J had any big advantages over the B other then the blister guns mounted by the cockpit. Other then that, its close enough, and the B was flying in 1942. So I dont see an issue.

Hristo_
07-07-2005, 02:32 AM
WarClouds 44 - take out Ta 152H-1, P-39, P-63, Bf 109G-2 and you got a 1944 planeset

WarClouds 43 - take out Spit Mk.VIII and P51, P-47D-22, and introduce Fw 190A-4, Bf 109G-2, Spit V and Spit IX and you got a 1943 planeset.

Simple http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif