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heywooood
03-11-2007, 10:51 PM
In answer to your last question my friend.

Sorry about getting that thread closed - not about what I said..just where I said it.

heywooood
03-11-2007, 10:51 PM
In answer to your last question my friend.

Sorry about getting that thread closed - not about what I said..just where I said it.

Charos
03-11-2007, 11:39 PM
No problemo heywood.

Your heart is in the right place. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Just be more aware that some people game fish - its a sport. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Anyways thread closed - time to get on with the job.


Charos out.

Aeronautico
03-12-2007, 01:05 AM
Yeah much appreciation for your posts guys. Good to read something that makes sense and well written too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

tagTaken2
03-12-2007, 01:45 AM
That topic got closed while I was catching up on pages http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif for trying gentlemen.

And to the rest: I'd suggest that when you stop learning, you bail from the human race. The thing is, it makes a difference these days. Stoopidity has mattered for the last 50 years, since the earth got small enough for us to make a difference.

At the least, try not to have kids. They won't thank you for your inheritance, and neither will the gene pool.

ViktorViktor
03-12-2007, 03:59 AM
Hey, cut some slack! Taking measures to curb global warming probably involves changing the lifestyles (if not the value-systems) for many of us. And for some folks, this will be a drastic change. That's not an easy thing to accept.

It may well be that in these cases, measures against global warming will in addition affect them financially as well.
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stathem
03-12-2007, 06:36 AM
I go on holiday for a week and it all kicks off.

Just made my way through the thread. There's lots of stuff that I would have liked to comment on, but probably wouldn't have anyway. It's a shame this stuff can't be discussed without the labels and insults being thrown about so readily, because it needs to be discussed, everywhere, whether it's OT or not.

Viper sums it up well on the final page - the whys and wherefores and the culpabilities are less important now than the 'doing something'. That's why it needs to be discussed. And there are plenty of reasons to do something even if one doesn't believe that 'Man' is responsible for the current and future climate change.

Anyway.

One point I wanted to expand upon and contribute towards because I have a profeesional interest and expertise in - the electric car (the sports job) that was linked.

That particular car uses litium ion batteries. Now that's good, and the reason it achieves spectacular results, but it's never going to be for all of us. Lithium is simply in too short supply, and thus very expensive. That's not to say that such a car will never have a place - but that place is for the well off who can afford to pay for the extra performance. Not so much different than today, is it?

As for the rest of us, well, we're working on it. The cheaper battery solutions do have practical limits which we're trying to push back. There are some encouraging results, and I'm quite hopeful. But we can't all have Porsches, some of us will have to be content with Minis. Like I said, not so different.

And yes, I know this is just improving well-to-wheel effiencies and removing pollutants from cities. Where the original energy comes from, the well, has to be addressed seperately. But if we can demonstrate lower impact personal transport, amybe the naysayers won't mind the change so much. So long as they can still wave their, erm, wallets, at the poor, they may eventually come along.

Huxley_S
03-12-2007, 11:24 AM
Nuff respect to all the posters and this...

Who Killed the Electric Car?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

Huxley_S
03-12-2007, 11:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That particular car uses litium ion batteries. Now that's good, and the reason it achieves spectacular results, but it's never going to be for all of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check this out...

"The company boldly claims that its system, a kind of battery-ultracapacitor hybrid based on barium-titanate powders, will dramatically outperform the best lithium-ion batteries on the market in terms of energy density, price, charge time, and safety. Pound for pound, it will also pack 10 times the punch of lead-acid batteries at half the cost and without the need for toxic materials or chemicals, according to the company."

Battery Breakthrough? (http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/)

stathem
03-12-2007, 02:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That particular car uses litium ion batteries. Now that's good, and the reason it achieves spectacular results, but it's never going to be for all of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check this out...

"The company boldly claims that its system, a kind of battery-ultracapacitor hybrid based on barium-titanate powders, will dramatically outperform the best lithium-ion batteries on the market in terms of energy density, price, charge time, and safety. Pound for pound, it will also pack 10 times the punch of lead-acid batteries at half the cost and without the need for toxic materials or chemicals, according to the company."

Battery Breakthrough? (http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. That's a really interesting and well balanced article. I wish them well, even though it would do me out of a job if it comes off! Although anything with titanium in is going to be pricey, depending on how much they need.

Had to smile though at 'without the need for toxic chemicals' though, since Barium is quite a bit more toxic than Lead, and titanium compunds aren't exactly good for you.

Ultra and Supercapacitors do and will have a big part to play even if they can't get it to work, as the article said, working together with traditional batteries. I think most chemistries are trying them out - I know ours are - for help in high rate discharge and charge acceptance. It's bleeding edge stuff, and it looks promising, in lots of different ways.

As usual, the answer will be in working together and making incremental changes. All battery chemstries and advanced electronics will have a part to play.

And on another level, thanks for pointing the article out to me - it gives me an idea to think about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-12-2007, 03:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stathem:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Huxley_S:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That particular car uses litium ion batteries. Now that's good, and the reason it achieves spectacular results, but it's never going to be for all of us. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Check this out...

"The company boldly claims that its system, a kind of battery-ultracapacitor hybrid based on barium-titanate powders, will dramatically outperform the best lithium-ion batteries on the market in terms of energy density, price, charge time, and safety. Pound for pound, it will also pack 10 times the punch of lead-acid batteries at half the cost and without the need for toxic materials or chemicals, according to the company."

Battery Breakthrough? (http://www.technologyreview.com/Biztech/18086/) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks. That's a really interesting and well balanced article. I wish them well, even though it would do me out of a job if it comes off! Although anything with titanium in is going to be pricey, depending on how much they need.

Had to smile though at 'without the need for toxic chemicals' though, since Barium is quite a bit more toxic than Lead, and titanium compunds aren't exactly good for you.

Ultra and Supercapacitors do and will have a big part to play even if they can't get it to work, as the article said, working together with traditional batteries. I think most chemistries are trying them out - I know ours are - for help in high rate discharge and charge acceptance. It's bleeding edge stuff, and it looks promising, in lots of different ways.

As usual, the answer will be in working together and making incremental changes. All battery chemstries and advanced electronics will have a part to play.

And on another level, thanks for pointing the article out to me - it gives me an idea to think about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Giving me hope man...thanks!

Huxley_S
03-12-2007, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I wish them well, even though it would do me out of a job if it comes off! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Chap... I love that sentiment. It kind of makes a change from the "It would do me out of a job, let's use every means at our disposal to destroy them" that has characterized the opening of this new century.

The competitor guy in the article says much the same thing.

Fact is, there will *always* be a job for people like you and a brighter future for all of us as a result.

Suerte.