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aukieboy
01-01-2006, 11:38 AM
Have you seen it? The P51 is Discovery Channel's No1 plane... I admitt it's a great and beautiful aircraft but best fighter is a bit exaggerated in my humble opinion.
Only because it had a long range.
What about the La5 and La7 series?????
Let's see who outstrips who!!

aukieboy
01-01-2006, 11:38 AM
Have you seen it? The P51 is Discovery Channel's No1 plane... I admitt it's a great and beautiful aircraft but best fighter is a bit exaggerated in my humble opinion.
Only because it had a long range.
What about the La5 and La7 series?????
Let's see who outstrips who!!

han freak solo
01-01-2006, 12:00 PM
Ignorance is bliss.

heywooood
01-01-2006, 12:02 PM
I'm so glad we're doing this again,again,again....

What an echo..

Kuna15
01-01-2006, 12:07 PM
I think that among that list could be some fine machines of ww2 including Bf-109G, FW-190D, A6M, Ki-84, LA-5/7, Yak-9U, P-38/47/51, Spitfire...

But to rank some as "the best" isn't the happiest concept from our PoV at all. But then again it will serve the original purpose I guess and that is to bring them closer to wide audience.
Let us be honest for a moment; how many of the people you know (that are not ww2 aviation fans) have heard about Ki-61 Tony or IL-2 Sturmovik?

Snuffly
01-01-2006, 12:10 PM
no sheet, every plane in WW2 was the best fighter at somepoint in the war,

P-51, P-38, P-40, La 7, Mig, Lagg-3, Bf109, FW190, B110, A6m2.... all these planes and every other plane, was the best at some part of the war.


Nuff said

neural_dream
01-01-2006, 12:13 PM
not again plz

Let's have one last comment by Mozus and one by John_Wayne while receiving the award on behalf of North American, and burry it.

danjama
01-01-2006, 12:24 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by neural_dream:
not again plz

Let's have one last comment by Mozus and one by John_Wayne while receiving the award on behalf of North American, and burry it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Be warned, the last guy that did this - i killed him

Zeus-cat
01-01-2006, 12:32 PM
The Red Baron never shot down Snoopy, so that little doghouse should have been on the list.

Zeus-cat

Deedsundone
01-01-2006, 12:57 PM
FFVS J22,yup,you and I know it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Weather_Man
01-01-2006, 01:19 PM
Interesting. It seems the winners were determined by online poll, here:
http://www.exn.ca/flight/flightpath/categories.asp
There's obviously an american perspective here, given the nature of the internet and Discovery Channel's audience. I would have voted differently in many of these, though I can't really argue with the P51. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif


Ten categories, with five nominees each.

Flying Boats and Floatplanes
Aircraft either designed specifically or modified to take off and land on water.
Grumman Goose 10.16%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">de Havilland Beaver 50.98%</span>
Consolidated PBY Catalina 23.66%
Martin 130 China Clipper 6.99%
Lake Buccaneer 8.21%

Military Transports
Large aircraft designed to transport a wide variety of military payloads from personnel to large vehicles. Many include reinforced fuselage and short take-off and landing capability.
Douglas C-47 15.49%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">Lockhead C-130 Hercules 51.47%</span>
de Havilland Caribou 4.17%
C-5 Galaxy 15.30%
Antonov 225 13.56%

Helicopters
Non-fixed-wing, shaft-driven vertical-lift aircraft of varying capacities and purposes, both military and civilian.
Bell Model 47 22.03%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">McDonnell-Douglas AH-64 Apache 37.35%</span>
Sikorsky S-61 13.45%
Bell 204 (HU-1) variant 22.20%
Boeing Vertol 114 (Ch-47 variant) 4.97%

Training Aircraft
Single or double-seat aircraft designed for the instruction of beginner pilots for graduation to more powerful aircraft, generally military.
de Havilland Tiger Moth 22.48%
Boeing/Stearman Kaydet 6.90%
de Havilland Chipmunk 14.68%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">North American T-6 (Texan/Harvard) 31.95%</span>
Northrop T-38 Talon 23.98%

Piston Fighter/Attack Aircraft
Single or double-seat piston-driven aircraft designed primarily for the engagement of other fighters, bombers or ground targets. These aircraft became obsolete with the advent of the Jet Age ca.1950.
Spitfire 39.52%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">P-51 Mustang 41.39%</span>
Messerschmitt Bf.109 6.81%
Lockheed Lightning P-38 8.11%
Mitsubishi Zero 4.17%

Bombers
Large aircraft designed primarily for the delivery of free-fall ordinance such as bombs and incendiaries.
Avro Lancaster 28.06%
Boeing B-29 11.27%
Consolidated B-24 Liberator 7.59%
de Havilland Mosquito 12.65%
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Boeing B-52 40.44%</span>

Light Utility Aircraft
One to twelve-seat piston- or turbine-driven, light aircraft employed for a multitude of purposes: personal and business travel, commodities transport, exploration, etc.
Piper Super Cub 15.09%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">Cessna 172 51.68%</span>
Piper Comanche 6.80%
Beech Bonanza 4.49%
Learjet 21.95%

Civilian Transports
Large aircraft designed for the purpose of transporting varying payloads of passengers and commodities.
Boeing 707 8.54%
Douglas DC-3 25.65%
Lockhead Constellation 4.76%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">Boeing 747 41.24%</span>
Concorde 19.81%

Jet Fighter/Attack Aircraft
Single or double-seat turbine-driven aircraft designed primarily for the engagement of other fighters, bombers or ground targets using a combination of guns, free-fall bombs, and rockets.
British Aerospace Harrier 28.03%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon 34.81%</span>
North American F-86 Sabre 11.19%
McDonnell F-4 Phantom 17.97%
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21 8.00%

Special Purpose Aircraft
Aircraft of varying sizes and capacities designed for a singular purpose generally of a scientific research nature.
Wright Bros. Flyer 10.34%
NASA Space Shuttle 20.49%
Bell X-1 10.94%
Scaled Composites Voyager 3.37%
<span class="ev_code_yellow">SR-71 Blackbird 54.85%</span>

Chuck_Older
01-01-2006, 01:26 PM
In other words:

it's the best of the five options available

Why do we get worked up by the Discovery Channel? I mean, I know that I and my fellow Americans are fat, lazy, unattentive and larcenous, not to mention ignorant and cowardly, but even I know that the TV shows and History classes aren't the same thing

MB_Avro_UK
01-01-2006, 01:51 PM
Let's agree that the Spitfire was best...closely followed by the Mustang. (and of course the Mustang had a Spitfire engine and extra fuel tanks.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

End of debate I'm sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Happy New Year!
MB_Avro

han freak solo
01-01-2006, 01:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MB_Avro_UK:

End of debate I'm sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

MB_Avro </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BfHeFwMe
01-01-2006, 02:16 PM
Constantly amazed the La-7 gets thrown into these best planes of the war. And it's contribution was? Look at the Ace's who flew them and the kills by type they achieved and you'll quickly discover the La-7 did what?

Well. frankly nothing, and there's a reason. It was grounded shortly after going into combat for structural faults like rear ends falling completely off. Early December 44 all the way through the end of March 45. So that leaves it with about 2 to 3 months active combat when the enemy was already defeated. Some hot plane, some contributer to the war effort. To say this thing can even compete in scope with a mustangs contribution is an outrage and flat out ignorant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

neural_dream
01-01-2006, 03:31 PM
Discovery channel programs are products for internal consumption. I'd advise you not to bring them to international forums of grownups.

Siwarrior
01-01-2006, 03:38 PM
You can't name the best fighter becasue each fighter is unique and is the best at what it does (most of themhttp://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif)

Badsight.
01-01-2006, 03:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Constantly amazed the La-7 gets thrown into these best planes of the war. And it's contribution was? Look at the Ace's who flew them and the kills by type they achieved and you'll quickly discover the La-7 did what?

Well. frankly nothing, and there's a reason. It was grounded shortly after going into combat for structural faults like rear ends falling completely off. Early December 44 all the way through the end of March 45. So that leaves it with about 2 to 3 months active combat when the enemy was already defeated. Some hot plane, some contributer to the war effort. To say this thing can even compete in scope with a mustangs contribution is an outrage and flat out ignorant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>highest scoring Allied pilot didnt fly the Mustang

he flew the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . thats right , you guessed it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

& all within a short timespan compared to many other aces

MEGILE
01-01-2006, 03:57 PM
5 pages, bush is a nazi, and a lock.

I've seen it before.

BuzzU
01-01-2006, 06:31 PM
Hasn't John Wayne taught you guys anything?


La7.. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

John_Wayne_
01-01-2006, 06:36 PM
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BuzzU
01-01-2006, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by John_Wayne_:
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COOL BEANS!

I thought you were dead!

John_Wayne_
01-01-2006, 06:43 PM
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BfHeFwMe
01-01-2006, 11:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Badsight.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
Constantly amazed the La-7 gets thrown into these best planes of the war. And it's contribution was? Look at the Ace's who flew them and the kills by type they achieved and you'll quickly discover the La-7 did what?

Well. frankly nothing, and there's a reason. It was grounded shortly after going into combat for structural faults like rear ends falling completely off. Early December 44 all the way through the end of March 45. So that leaves it with about 2 to 3 months active combat when the enemy was already defeated. Some hot plane, some contributer to the war effort. To say this thing can even compete in scope with a mustangs contribution is an outrage and flat out ignorant. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>highest scoring Allied pilot didnt fly the Mustang

he flew the . . . . . . . . . . . . . . thats right , you guessed it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

& all within a short timespan compared to many other aces </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And of those 64 kills, how many were in the La-7. Psst... little tip, the bulk of his kills were in La-5's and La-5FN's. He barely flew the La-7.

He's quoted as recieving his first La-7 in July 44 at which point he already has 45 kills. Factor in the fleet wide grounding of La-7's for December through March in which he scores another 6 kills. That's 51, the bulk leaving roughly 13 kills in the La-7 by the best. Hardly a war breaking record. If anything the title belongs to the La-5FN, which truely earned it, and against real pilots. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif